[nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals

Thu Mar 25 14:01:01 UTC 2010

IMHO, a flashing yellow signal doesn't help me, if I don't know I have the
light.  Although it could be a helpful addition.  But aren't there a lot
of drivers who think yellow means step on the gas?  There seem to be a lot
of those type around here, at least.
Tracy

> Marion's point is that audible signals have no impact on the use of a car
> --
> safe use or unsafe use.  So the audible traffic signals campaign that you
> proposed as a reaction to quiet hybrids would not be an effective response
> to
> the problems they present to the VIP.
>
> St. Pete's visual pedestrian-in-the-crosswalk signal is a great idea.  I
> wonder
> if there is an inexpensive way to automatically activate a flasher via
> technology?
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Albert J Rizzi
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:57 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>
> Marion,
> the audible signal is of course for the pedestrians . the vehicles
> already have an effective cue to stop and go. The audible sign would at
> least be
> a way to combat those hybrid cars with the silent engines. if we were and
> if all
> others were able to depend on a reliable audible signal to let us know it
> is ok
> to cross, coupled with effective pedestrian laws, the hybrid cars would
> only
> present issues at areas with stop signs and not at busy intersections. How
> did
> you infer that I suggested the audible signs could impact the saf.e use of
> a
> car? The safe driver makes that choice and I have yet to learn about a
> device
> that could ensure a drivers safe operation of a vehicle
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:48 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>
> Albert,
>     Audible traffic signals have absolutely no effect on the safe
> operation of a
> vehicle. Now, in St. Petersburg, Florida, they have a pretty good idea.
>
> They have a pedestrian crossing sign near the trafic signal. When a
> pedestrian
> activates the crosswalk signal, a yellow light flashes within the
>
> sign to alert the driver that a pedestrian is crossing.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>
>
>> Now in reaction to the hybrid cars which are environmentally friendly
>> and
>> very quiet, why are we not mobilizing the forces to require that urban
>> planners and departments of roads or transportation or what ever
>> department
>> it is that regulates crossing signs start using audible crossing signs
>> as
>> is
>> done in many European cities. I hear tell of how the infrastructure is
>> to
>> old and to costly to work with, yet I would think that Paris and London
>> are
>> much older cities then any of ours and they some how were able to bridge
>> that gap. Would be another great focus of our community to work together
>> to
>> effect if you ask me.
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
>> www.myblindspot.org
>> PH: 917-553-0347
>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>> is
>> doing it."
>>
>>
>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Jewel S.
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:33 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>
>> Here, here!
>>
>> I have been hit by a car, albeit a very slow moving car, so I was not
>> injured very much at all. The car was backing out of a parking spot
>> after telling me to go ahead. He didn't look where he was going, and
>> his bumper struck me before I knew what was going on. I beat the trunk
>> with my cane and shouted at him, trying to scuttle out of the way (not
>> easy for me), but he would not stop. I would have fallen if someone
>> hadn't run up and caught me and another man knocked on the driver's
>> window, the idiot. I told them to get the license plate number, but
>> they did not. I was very upset. This was also a quiet car.
>>
>> The Quiet Car Bill is something I have been watching very closely. It
>> is almost passed through to law. It is getting sooo close. When it
>> does pass, the government will be required to do a survery and figure
>> out a way for quiet cars to produce the sound needed by pedestrians.
>>
>> I am very sorry about the loss of your guide dog, friend, and the
>> injury of your other friend. Your story is one of the many very real
>> reasons why the White Cane Laws were ut in place in the first place,
>> to save lives.
>>
>> How many lives must be taken before the laws are enforced?
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 3/24/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>> Here here!
>>>
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> CEO/Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York  10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>>> is
>>> doing it."
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>
>>> Tracy,
>>>
>>> I'm so sorry!  I didn't know that had happened to you.  It must have
>>> been
>>> awful for a long, long time after the fact.  And I'm sure whatever
>> recourse
>>> you received was not worth the loss.  I'm glad you're well and still
>> living
>>> your life.
>>>
>>> While I am glad the white cane laws and pedestrian laws underlying them
>>> do
>>> give me some added rights and protections.  Greater awareness and
>>> greater
>>> enforcement does and will give us better odds of traveling safely
>>> through
>>> our daily lives.
>>>
>>> There will still be those people who disengage brain before turning
>>> key,
>> but
>>> the more drivers who are aware of the law, of their responsibilities as
>>> drivers, and of the consequences of their not taking their
>> responsibilities
>>> seriously when they're behind the wheel, the better off we'll all be.
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:23 AM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>
>>> Could we possibly get back to discussing better enforcement of White
>>> Cane
>>> laws, and drop all the sniping?  Or is it the concensus that the White
>>> Cane laws are outmoded, and we should just let them drop and ignore
>>> them?
>>> I'm not asking for someone else to be responsible for my safety, but I
>>> am
>>> asking that the drivers take their share of responsibility.  They are
>>> the
>>> ones in charge of the vehicle that is a lot faster and heavier than I
>>> am.
>>> I am especially concerned with new quieter cars becoming more common.
>>> I've lost count of the times my dog has stopped short, then I've heard
>>> the
>>> car whizzing by in front of us.
>>>
>>> I personally know 3 people who've been hit.  One was crossing with the
>>> light when a bus turned on top of her, and she was killed.  One was
>>> crossing a quiet street, when some old fool came speeding around a
>>> blind
>>> corner and hit her.  Now she has to use a wheelchair.  And one was me,
>>> trying to cross a street to get home during an ice storm.  There wasn't
>>> enough traffic, and there wasn't anyone around to ask, and I probably
>>> misjudged the traffic light.  My dog was killed.
>>>
>>> Two of these accidents could have been avoided, if the driver were
>>> paying
>>> propper attention.  We have laws on the books that say they should be
>>> particularly careful when a blind pedestrian is in the street.  I'd
>>> like
>>> to see greater awareness of those laws.  It doesn't seem so much to
>>> ask,
>>> to save a life.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>
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