[nagdu] APS was White Cane laws

Sat Mar 27 03:25:59 UTC 2010

Julie,
Why, yes - the car companies would have to dig into their PROFITS to create 
the sounds for the silent hybrids! LOL!!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws

> Check out
> http://www.nfb.org
> I'm sure there will be links to read about the quiet car initiative.
> and last I heard it was very close to having the support it needs to pass.
>>From my perspective it seems that many politicians and the public are in
> support, but the main opposition has come from the car manufacturers.
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>
>
>> That is an effective option for sure. but, truthfully, I cannot see the
>> general public getting behind that one. Is there someplace I could go to
>> find more information on this proposal so I could learn more about the
>> efforts?
>>
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> CEO/Founder
>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
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>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> is
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie J
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:02 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>>
>> Albert,
>>
>> NFB is working diligently to pass legislation that would require that 
>> hybrid
>>
>> cars have some sort of sound even when they are operating at lower 
>> speeds.
>>
>> Personally, I think this will be more effective than APS.  If I can hear 
>> the
>>
>> car no matter where it is I will be able to take appropriate action in a
>> parking lot, side street, country road or where ever.
>>
>> JMHO
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:07 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>
>>
>>> Now in reaction to the hybrid cars which are environmentally friendly 
>>> and
>>> very quiet, why are we not mobilizing the forces to require that urban
>>> planners and departments of roads or transportation or what ever
>>> department
>>> it is that regulates crossing signs start using audible crossing signs 
>>> as
>>> is
>>> done in many European cities. I hear tell of how the infrastructure is 
>>> to
>>> old and to costly to work with, yet I would think that Paris and London
>>> are
>>> much older cities then any of ours and they some how were able to bridge
>>> that gap. Would be another great focus of our community to work together
>>> to
>>> effect if you ask me.
>>>
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> CEO/Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York  10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>>> is
>>> doing it."
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jewel S.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:33 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>
>>> Here, here!
>>>
>>> I have been hit by a car, albeit a very slow moving car, so I was not
>>> injured very much at all. The car was backing out of a parking spot
>>> after telling me to go ahead. He didn't look where he was going, and
>>> his bumper struck me before I knew what was going on. I beat the trunk
>>> with my cane and shouted at him, trying to scuttle out of the way (not
>>> easy for me), but he would not stop. I would have fallen if someone
>>> hadn't run up and caught me and another man knocked on the driver's
>>> window, the idiot. I told them to get the license plate number, but
>>> they did not. I was very upset. This was also a quiet car.
>>>
>>> The Quiet Car Bill is something I have been watching very closely. It
>>> is almost passed through to law. It is getting sooo close. When it
>>> does pass, the government will be required to do a survery and figure
>>> out a way for quiet cars to produce the sound needed by pedestrians.
>>>
>>> I am very sorry about the loss of your guide dog, friend, and the
>>> injury of your other friend. Your story is one of the many very real
>>> reasons why the White Cane Laws were ut in place in the first place,
>>> to save lives.
>>>
>>> How many lives must be taken before the laws are enforced?
>>> ~Jewel
>>>
>>> On 3/24/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>>> Here here!
>>>>
>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>>>> is
>>>> doing it."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> I'm so sorry!  I didn't know that had happened to you.  It must have 
>>>> been
>>>> awful for a long, long time after the fact.  And I'm sure whatever
>>> recourse
>>>> you received was not worth the loss.  I'm glad you're well and still
>>> living
>>>> your life.
>>>>
>>>> While I am glad the white cane laws and pedestrian laws underlying them
>>>> do
>>>> give me some added rights and protections.  Greater awareness and 
>>>> greater
>>>> enforcement does and will give us better odds of traveling safely 
>>>> through
>>>> our daily lives.
>>>>
>>>> There will still be those people who disengage brain before turning 
>>>> key,
>>> but
>>>> the more drivers who are aware of the law, of their responsibilities as
>>>> drivers, and of the consequences of their not taking their
>>> responsibilities
>>>> seriously when they're behind the wheel, the better off we'll all be.
>>>>
>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:23 AM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>
>>>> Could we possibly get back to discussing better enforcement of White 
>>>> Cane
>>>> laws, and drop all the sniping?  Or is it the concensus that the White
>>>> Cane laws are outmoded, and we should just let them drop and ignore 
>>>> them?
>>>> I'm not asking for someone else to be responsible for my safety, but I 
>>>> am
>>>> asking that the drivers take their share of responsibility.  They are 
>>>> the
>>>> ones in charge of the vehicle that is a lot faster and heavier than I 
>>>> am.
>>>> I am especially concerned with new quieter cars becoming more common.
>>>> I've lost count of the times my dog has stopped short, then I've heard
>>>> the
>>>> car whizzing by in front of us.
>>>>
>>>> I personally know 3 people who've been hit.  One was crossing with the
>>>> light when a bus turned on top of her, and she was killed.  One was
>>>> crossing a quiet street, when some old fool came speeding around a 
>>>> blind
>>>> corner and hit her.  Now she has to use a wheelchair.  And one was me,
>>>> trying to cross a street to get home during an ice storm.  There wasn't
>>>> enough traffic, and there wasn't anyone around to ask, and I probably
>>>> misjudged the traffic light.  My dog was killed.
>>>>
>>>> Two of these accidents could have been avoided, if the driver were 
>>>> paying
>>>> propper attention.  We have laws on the books that say they should be
>>>> particularly careful when a blind pedestrian is in the street.  I'd 
>>>> like
>>>> to see greater awareness of those laws.  It doesn't seem so much to 
>>>> ask,
>>>> to save a life.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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