[nagdu] Section 501(d)
Marion Gwizdala
blind411 at verizon.net
Sat Mar 27 12:21:57 UTC 2010
Albert,
Perhaps one could disengage the sound a quiet car makes in the same way
one would disengage the sound a vehicle's horn creates! (smile)
Fraternally yours,
Marion
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Section 501(d)
> And as I put before, what if someone does not like nor prefer the
> accommodation of a noise being put into a hybrid car and wants to
> disengage
> that? how would we go about doing that in the same vein as presented here?
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> CEO/Founder
> My Blind Spot, Inc.
> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
> New York, New York 10004
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> Fax: 212-858-5759
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it."
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:26 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Section 501(d)
>
> Section 501
> (d) Accommodations and Services. Nothing in this Act shall be construed to
> require an individual with a disability to accept an accommodation, aid,
> service,
>
> opportunity, or benefit which such individual chooses not to accept.
>
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:49 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] ADA Correction
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> This is a correction to my earlier message concerning the ADA. I said
>> Section IV when it should have been Title V. There is a provision that
>> clearly states that if a disabled individual deems an accommodation to be
>> inappropriate or unnecessary he/she has the right to refuse such
>> accommodations. What this would mean is that all audible traffic signals
>> would be required to be user-activated allowing those who wish to use
>> them
>> to do so while respecting the rights of those who find them unnecessary.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>>
>>
>> Hello Gary and everyone,
>>
>> Provided they're not shoved down the throats of those who choose not
>> to
>> use them as specified in Section IV of the ADA. One provision of that
>> section clearly states that a disabled individual has the ability to
>> refuse
>> an accommodation they deem to be unnecessary. If audible traffic signals
>> are
>> installed at intersections they must permit one to disable them should
>> they
>> choose not to use them. This is in compliance with the above section in
>> the
>> ADA. So why spend large sums of money on installing something very few
>> people would use. Our municipalities have better things to do with public
>> monies than spending it on these things.I'd rather see such funds spent
>> on
>> improving access to quality orientation and adjustment training rather
>> than
>> APS any day. Blind individuals would not only receive quality travel
>> training, but they would learn many other valuable blindness skills as
>> well.
>> Please keep the big picture in focus.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary" <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> Of course I agree with the fact that having silent cars create noise and
>> audible traffic signals are not the same issue.
>>
>> First, let me state that I am totally for the laws being moved forward
>> to
>> create sounds in electric silent cars. However, I think that audible
>> traffic
>> signals are a great assistance to all people. It is great to say that at
>> a
>> four way stop we don't need audible signals but I live in a city where
>> there
>> are probably over a 100 audible signals and I certainly believe that they
>> tmake getting around the city much easier especially considering I have
>> to
>> often cross six lane roads. Of course I don't blindly start walking
>> (pardon
>> the pun) once I hear the signal but as someone stated earlier, I then
>> know
>> that the sign says walk. Now it is up to me to use my other senses to be
>> sure that the intersection is truly safe before I proceed.
>>
>> Secondly, when I make my request for audible signals to the city staff,
>> I'm
>> not just selling them on the fact that this will allow me, the poor
>> little
>> blind man -- not <chuckle> get out of my house but it willl be of
>> assistance to many other pedestrians by stimulating another sense
>> besides
>> their sight to inform them that the light has changed. Even drivers may
>> have
>> their attention drawn by the sounds.
>>
>> I get annoyed by those who try to put up barriers to universal adaptions
>> that will make my travelling much more informed. I agree that we want to
>> inform the public that we are not helpless and can cross roads as blind
>> people but I certainly don't think we need to do that by excluding any
>> adaptations such as edge markings on stairs, subway platforms, audible
>> traffic signals, etc. These are tools that we put into our tool bag to
>> allow
>> us to move throughout our community more routinely. Think of the big
>> movement that happened to get cut curbs for wheelchairs, ramps in to
>> buildings and accessible washrooms. Is it only people in wheelcharis who
>> have benefited from these upgrades? Of course not. Talk to any mother
>> with
>> a stroller. The changes we make to allow places to be more accessible in
>> a
>> way that assists an individual with a vision problem will help many
>> others
>> in society be safer as well. The majority of those losing their sight in
>> our
>> society are seniors. If things like wheelchair ramps and audible signalls
>> can make it possible for them to feel safer and be a continued part of
>> our
>> community then I think not just the blind are served by these upgrades.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Michael Hingson
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:46 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>>
>> Ann,
>>
>> The difference is that audible signals on the one hand do not add
>> significant value at standard 4-way stops. True hearing a sound tells
>> you
>> that the walk sign is on. However, the traffic informs you of that in a
>> more accurate way without being masked with other sounds which you might
>> use
>> to mistakenly tell you that it is safe to cross. The fact that some have
>> said on this list that the signals tell you when to cross proves the
>> point.
>>
>> On the other hand, the very cue we use to know when it is safe to cross
>> is
>> being taken away with silent cars. It is also being taken away for many
>> other persons as well. The very fact that governmental reports now
>> validate
>> that more accidents are like due to the silence of silent cars
>> demonstrates
>> the value of vehicles making a noise. Also, the cost to produce this
>> noise
>> is not significant even compared to ATS devices.
>>
>> ATS do offer aid at intersections where crossing is atypical such as T
>> intersections and other than the usual 4-way stop. Again, those signals
>> do
>> not say it is safe to cross but they do tell us where to cross safely.
>>
>> The fact that the NFB recognizes the value of some audible signals
>> demonstrates that wisdom will out. To say that every signal should have
>> an
>> audible component is unnecessary and it promulgates the myth that without
>> these signals blind people wouldn't be able to cross a street. I cannot
>> tell you the large number of times the installation of an audible signal
>> has
>> been publicized on TV with comments like "now sightless people will know
>> when it is safe to cross the street" or "now blind people will finally be
>> able to cross this street".
>>
>> I think there are basic differences between the use of audible signals
>> and
>> installing a sound in a silent car.
>>
>>
>> Mike Hingson
>>
>>
>> The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>> "Speaking with Vision"
>> Michael Hingson, President
>> (415) 827-4084
>> info at michaelhingson.com
>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Ann Edie
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:00 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>>
>> Hi, Jonathan and Everybody,
>>
>> I'm a bit puzzled by this discussion of audible traffic signals and
>> silent
>> cars.
>>
>> On the one hand, the NFB has always been very skeptical of the value of
>> APS,
>>
>> stating that requiring audible signals implies that blind people are not
>> capable of traveling safely in the sighted world without extensive
>> adaptations. On the other hand, the NFB has led in the effort to require
>> that hybrid and electric cars be modified to produce sound so that blind
>> people can hear them approaching. If the car manufacturers can be
>> expected
>> to produce cars which provide for non-visual access to information--the
>> presence and speed of the vehicle--then why shouldn't traffic signal
>> manufacturers be equally responsible for producing signals which provide
>> non-visual access to the information they are designed to provide--that
>> is,
>> the status of the light cycle at anygiven moment?
>>
>> Neither the sound produced by cars nor the sound produced by APS in and
>> of
>> themselves protects pedestrians or ensures their safety, whether the
>> pedestrians are sighted or blind. The sound produced by both cars and
>> APS
>> merely provides an additional channel of information about the
>> environment,
>> in these cases a very important channel of communication for the blind
>> pedestrian, because the visual channel is not dependable or operational.
>> I
>> find the information provided to me by APS at a local intersection to be
>> very helpful. It does not tell me to cross the street; it merely tells
>> me
>> that the Walk cycle is active. It is still my responsibility to check
>> that
>> all vehicles which are approaching the intersection are at a stop or are
>> coming to a stop before I step foot into the street. I take this
>> responsibility very seriously, because I have witnessed many cars running
>> this light. But that is not a good reason for disregarding the
>> information
>> about when the Walk sign is lit. If there were no audible signal at this
>> intersection, it would be very difficult to tell when that Walk cycle
>> began,
>>
>> because the traffic flow is intermittant. So if I waited until all was
>> quiet and then started to cross, I might very well be crossing at a point
>> when the Walk signal was not lit. And if any accident were to happen
>> under
>> such circumstances, I might very well be judged to have been negligent
>> for
>> stepping into the street at the wrong point in the cycle. Besides, I do
>> not
>>
>> want to become a statistic, no matter how much in the right I might be in
>> my
>>
>> decision of when to cross a street.
>>
>> For me, it's all about accessible information. Not all of the
>> information
>> is necessary all of the time for every individual. But all of it is
>> absolutely vital to some of the people at some time. Information is only
>> useful if coupled with a rational brain. But without the information,
>> even
>> the most powerful and rational of brains cannot make informed decisions
>> and
>> considered judgements.
>>
>> Wishing you all safe and happy travels.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ann
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>>
>>
>>> Albert,
>>>
>>> Requiring aps implies blind people cannot safely cross streets. This is
>>> simply untrue, blind people show this everyday and have for many years.
>>>
>>> Seems like the issue is quiet cars. In that case it should fall too the
>>> manufactorer to produce a safe product. When unsafe products are sold,
>>> they're supposed to be recalled.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2010, at 6:52 AM, "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is exactly the point I was hoping to make Tracey, when I
>>>> responded
>>>> to
>>>> Jule. It is another tool in the arsenal of safe pedestrian travel that
>>>> is
>>>> for sure. it would also allow the blind pedestrian specifically to
>>>> know
>>>> when
>>>> to cross with the light rather then against it, and give some sense of
>>>> calm
>>>> so as to not be as hyper vigilant about listening for cars no one
>>>> hears.
>>>> This audible option in our lives would also allow for some of the
>>>> positions
>>>> taken in some of the cane laws as written, I think it was David who
>>>> shared
>>>> how he found it effective to extend his white cane in an obvious
>>>> manner
>>>> when
>>>> crossing 6 lanes of traffic. Imagine how effective that technique if
>>>> necessary, coupled with an audible sign would make crossing a two lane
>>>> road
>>>> or any road for that matter. I give you kudos for making that happen
>>>> in
>>>> your
>>>> life and your community. More of us need to take your lead.
>>>>
>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>>>> who
>>>> is
>>>> doing it."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:22 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>>>>
>>>> Last year, after years of fighting for it, I got an audible signal put
>>>> in
>>>> at a T intersection near my home. It is really helpful. No more
>>>> mistaking a lull in traffic for having the light, or having to wait
>>>> for
>>>> someone to come along and help me. It also tells me just how often
>>>> people
>>>> drive through the beginning of the walk signal, or turn when they are
>>>> supposed to stop, since it's an all-stop signal.
>>>> So of course I still have to be cautious, even when I have the signal.
>>>> But it is great to know when I actually do have the signal. It's made
>>>> a
>>>> real difference in my life.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Marion,
>>>>> the audible signal is of course for the pedestrians . the vehicles
>>>>> already have an effective cue to stop and go. The audible sign would
>>>>> at
>>>>> least be a way to combat those hybrid cars with the silent engines.
>>>>> if
>>>>> we
>>>>> were and if all others were able to depend on a reliable audible
>>>>> signal
>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> let us know it is ok to cross, coupled with effective pedestrian
>>>>> laws,
>>>>> the
>>>>> hybrid cars would only present issues at areas with stop signs and
>>>>> not
>>>>> at
>>>>> busy intersections. How did you infer that I suggested the audible
>>>>> signs
>>>>> could impact the safe use of a car? The safe driver makes that choice
>>>>> and
>>>>> I
>>>>> have yet to learn about a device that could ensure a drivers safe
>>>>> operation
>>>>> of a vehicle.
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>>>>> who
>>
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:48 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Audible Traffic Signals
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert,
>>>>> Audible traffic signals have absolutely no effect on the safe
>>>>> operation
>>>>> of a vehicle. Now, in St. Petersburg, Florida, they have a pretty
>>>>> good
>>>>> idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have a pedestrian crossing sign near the trafic signal. When a
>>>>> pedestrian activates the crosswalk signal, a yellow light flashes
>>>>> within
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> sign to alert the driver that a pedestrian is crossing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>>> Marion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:07 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now in reaction to the hybrid cars which are environmentally
>>>>>> friendly
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> very quiet, why are we not mobilizing the forces to require that
>>>>>> urban
>>>>>> planners and departments of roads or transportation or what ever
>>>>>> department
>>>>>> it is that regulates crossing signs start using audible crossing
>>>>>> signs
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> done in many European cities. I hear tell of how the infrastructure
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> old and to costly to work with, yet I would think that Paris and
>>>>>> London
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> much older cities then any of ours and they some how were able to
>>>>>> bridge
>>>>>> that gap. Would be another great focus of our community to work
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> effect if you ask me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Jewel S.
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:33 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here, here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been hit by a car, albeit a very slow moving car, so I was
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> injured very much at all. The car was backing out of a parking spot
>>>>>> after telling me to go ahead. He didn't look where he was going, and
>>>>>> his bumper struck me before I knew what was going on. I beat the
>>>>>> trunk
>>>>>> with my cane and shouted at him, trying to scuttle out of the way
>>>>>> (not
>>>>>> easy for me), but he would not stop. I would have fallen if someone
>>>>>> hadn't run up and caught me and another man knocked on the driver's
>>>>>> window, the idiot. I told them to get the license plate number, but
>>>>>> they did not. I was very upset. This was also a quiet car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Quiet Car Bill is something I have been watching very closely.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> is almost passed through to law. It is getting sooo close. When it
>>>>>> does pass, the government will be required to do a survery and
>>>>>> figure
>>>>>> out a way for quiet cars to produce the sound needed by pedestrians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am very sorry about the loss of your guide dog, friend, and the
>>>>>> injury of your other friend. Your story is one of the many very real
>>>>>> reasons why the White Cane Laws were ut in place in the first place,
>>>>>> to save lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many lives must be taken before the laws are enforced?
>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/24/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Here here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Visit us on Facebook LinkedIn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM
>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tracy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm so sorry! I didn't know that had happened to you. It must
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> awful for a long, long time after the fact. And I'm sure whatever
>>>>>> recourse
>>>>>>> you received was not worth the loss. I'm glad you're well and
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>> living
>>>>>>> your life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While I am glad the white cane laws and pedestrian laws underlying
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> give me some added rights and protections. Greater awareness and
>>>>>>> greater
>>>>>>> enforcement does and will give us better odds of traveling safely
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> our daily lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will still be those people who disengage brain before turning
>>>>>>> key,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the more drivers who are aware of the law, of their
>>>>>>> responsibilities
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> drivers, and of the consequences of their not taking their
>>>>>> responsibilities
>>>>>>> seriously when they're behind the wheel, the better off we'll all
>>>>>>> be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:23 AM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could we possibly get back to discussing better enforcement of
>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>> Cane
>>>>>>> laws, and drop all the sniping? Or is it the concensus that the
>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>> Cane laws are outmoded, and we should just let them drop and ignore
>>>>>>> them?
>>>>>>> I'm not asking for someone else to be responsible for my safety,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> asking that the drivers take their share of responsibility. They
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ones in charge of the vehicle that is a lot faster and heavier than
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am.
>>>>>>> I am especially concerned with new quieter cars becoming more
>>>>>>> common.
>>>>>>> I've lost count of the times my dog has stopped short, then I've
>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> car whizzing by in front of us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally know 3 people who've been hit. One was crossing with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> light when a bus turned on top of her, and she was killed. One was
>>>>>>> crossing a quiet street, when some old fool came speeding around a
>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>> corner and hit her. Now she has to use a wheelchair. And one was
>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>> trying to cross a street to get home during an ice storm. There
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>> enough traffic, and there wasn't anyone around to ask, and I
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> misjudged the traffic light. My dog was killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two of these accidents could have been avoided, if the driver were
>>>>>>> paying
>>>>>>> propper attention. We have laws on the books that say they should
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> particularly careful when a blind pedestrian is in the street. I'd
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> to see greater awareness of those laws. It doesn't seem so much to
>>>>>>> ask,
>>>>>>> to save a life.
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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