[nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
Marion Gwizdala
blind411 at verizon.net
Tue Mar 30 11:25:45 UTC 2010
Albert,
Perhaps you should re-read my post!
Fraternally yours,
Marion
----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>I find those figures hard to believe.73 million for one sign? Just sounds
> off for some reason.
>
> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of David Baker
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:26 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>
> Hmm. I guess I'd rather have sidewalks than APS.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:06 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>
> Dear All,
> I once did a paper for the City of Tampa which was considering
> installing
> APS at all intersections in the city. I no longer have the exact data, as
> it
> was
> on my previous computer. However, I do remember the figure for purchasing
> the
> necessary equipment for city-owned pedestrian signals was
> $73 million. This does not include the installation and maitenance of the
> APS
> nor does it include those intersections controlled by the county or state.
> In
> order to purchase the APS for all intersections in Hillsborough County
> where
> there are pedestrian signals, the price was $800 million, again, not
> including
> installation and maintenance.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>
>
>> Yes, you are exactly correct. Making cars emit a noise that will allow
>> pedestrians (all pedestrians) to hear them will fall upon the car
>> companies.
>>
>> As opposed to APSs that fall upon state and local governments, who are
>> experiencing massive budget deficits across the country. Governments are
>> being forced to furlough and layoff workers from California to New York.
>>
>>
>> Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
>> Email: jonathan at lyens.com
>> Fax: (321) 256-8896
>> Skype: jlyens
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Linda Gwizdak
>> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:26 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>>
>> Julie,
>> Why, yes - the car companies would have to dig into their PROFITS to
>> create
>> the sounds for the silent hybrids! LOL!!
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>>
>>
>>> Check out
>>> http://www.nfb.org
>>> I'm sure there will be links to read about the quiet car initiative.
>>> and last I heard it was very close to having the support it needs to
>> pass.
>>>>From my perspective it seems that many politicians and the public are
>> in
>>> support, but the main opposition has come from the car manufacturers.
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>>>
>>>
>>>> That is an effective option for sure. but, truthfully, I cannot see
>> the
>>>> general public getting behind that one. Is there someplace I could go
>> to
>>>> find more information on this proposal so I could learn more about
>> the
>>>> efforts?
>>>>
>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>> who
>>>> is
>>>> doing it."
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Julie J
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:02 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] APS was White Cane laws
>>>>
>>>> Albert,
>>>>
>>>> NFB is working diligently to pass legislation that would require that
>>
>>>> hybrid
>>>>
>>>> cars have some sort of sound even when they are operating at lower
>>>> speeds.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I think this will be more effective than APS. If I can
>> hear
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> car no matter where it is I will be able to take appropriate action
>> in a
>>>> parking lot, side street, country road or where ever.
>>>>
>>>> JMHO
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:07 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Now in reaction to the hybrid cars which are environmentally
>> friendly
>>>>> and
>>>>> very quiet, why are we not mobilizing the forces to require that
>> urban
>>>>> planners and departments of roads or transportation or what ever
>>>>> department
>>>>> it is that regulates crossing signs start using audible crossing
>> signs
>>>>> as
>>>>> is
>>>>> done in many European cities. I hear tell of how the infrastructure
>> is
>>>>> to
>>>>> old and to costly to work with, yet I would think that Paris and
>> London
>>>>> are
>>>>> much older cities then any of ours and they some how were able to
>> bridge
>>>>> that gap. Would be another great focus of our community to work
>> together
>>>>> to
>>>>> effect if you ask me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>> who
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Jewel S.
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:33 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>>
>>>>> Here, here!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been hit by a car, albeit a very slow moving car, so I was
>> not
>>>>> injured very much at all. The car was backing out of a parking spot
>>>>> after telling me to go ahead. He didn't look where he was going, and
>>>>> his bumper struck me before I knew what was going on. I beat the
>> trunk
>>>>> with my cane and shouted at him, trying to scuttle out of the way
>> (not
>>>>> easy for me), but he would not stop. I would have fallen if someone
>>>>> hadn't run up and caught me and another man knocked on the driver's
>>>>> window, the idiot. I told them to get the license plate number, but
>>>>> they did not. I was very upset. This was also a quiet car.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Quiet Car Bill is something I have been watching very closely.
>> It
>>>>> is almost passed through to law. It is getting sooo close. When it
>>>>> does pass, the government will be required to do a survery and
>> figure
>>>>> out a way for quiet cars to produce the sound needed by pedestrians.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very sorry about the loss of your guide dog, friend, and the
>>>>> injury of your other friend. Your story is one of the many very real
>>>>> reasons why the White Cane Laws were ut in place in the first place,
>>>>> to save lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many lives must be taken before the laws are enforced?
>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/24/10, Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Here here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>>> CEO/Founder
>>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>>> New York, New York 10004
>>>>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
>> who
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> doing it."
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tracy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm so sorry! I didn't know that had happened to you. It must
>> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> awful for a long, long time after the fact. And I'm sure whatever
>>>>> recourse
>>>>>> you received was not worth the loss. I'm glad you're well and
>> still
>>>>> living
>>>>>> your life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I am glad the white cane laws and pedestrian laws underlying
>> them
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> give me some added rights and protections. Greater awareness and
>>>>>> greater
>>>>>> enforcement does and will give us better odds of traveling safely
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> our daily lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will still be those people who disengage brain before turning
>>
>>>>>> key,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> the more drivers who are aware of the law, of their
>> responsibilities as
>>>>>> drivers, and of the consequences of their not taking their
>>>>> responsibilities
>>>>>> seriously when they're behind the wheel, the better off we'll all
>> be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:23 AM
>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] White Cane laws
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could we possibly get back to discussing better enforcement of
>> White
>>>>>> Cane
>>>>>> laws, and drop all the sniping? Or is it the concensus that the
>> White
>>>>>> Cane laws are outmoded, and we should just let them drop and ignore
>>
>>>>>> them?
>>>>>> I'm not asking for someone else to be responsible for my safety,
>> but I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> asking that the drivers take their share of responsibility. They
>> are
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ones in charge of the vehicle that is a lot faster and heavier than
>> I
>>>>>> am.
>>>>>> I am especially concerned with new quieter cars becoming more
>> common.
>>>>>> I've lost count of the times my dog has stopped short, then I've
>> heard
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> car whizzing by in front of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally know 3 people who've been hit. One was crossing with
>> the
>>>>>> light when a bus turned on top of her, and she was killed. One was
>>>>>> crossing a quiet street, when some old fool came speeding around a
>>>>>> blind
>>>>>> corner and hit her. Now she has to use a wheelchair. And one was
>> me,
>>>>>> trying to cross a street to get home during an ice storm. There
>> wasn't
>>>>>> enough traffic, and there wasn't anyone around to ask, and I
>> probably
>>>>>> misjudged the traffic light. My dog was killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two of these accidents could have been avoided, if the driver were
>>>>>> paying
>>>>>> propper attention. We have laws on the books that say they should
>> be
>>>>>> particularly careful when a blind pedestrian is in the street. I'd
>>
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to see greater awareness of those laws. It doesn't seem so much to
>>
>>>>>> ask,
>>>>>> to save a life.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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