[nagdu] harnesses

Buddy Brannan buddy at brannan.name
Thu Nov 11 22:37:10 UTC 2010 

Hi,

Possibly. I may try that; even if the shortr handle doesn't fix things up, it'll work on a new harness body later.

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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
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On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Susan Jones wrote:

> Buddy,
> Wonder if Chet's harness would still work on Leno, just get a new handle?
> Susan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Buddy Brannan
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:42 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harnesses
> 
> Hey Jef,
> 
> Not exactly, no. 
> 
> If a harness has a handle that isn't easily detachable (and by "easily", I
> mean "without tools"), then that handle stays on the harness. Wow, thank you
> Captain Obvious. This means, though, that if you need to get your dog into a
> very small space, such as between seats in a car for instance, or under an
> airplane seat, or (given the right sort of dog) in the front of a car, there
> are lots of places for the handle to get stuck, dig into your shins, and be
> otherwise terribly inconvenient. Of course, one can, in such cases, remove
> the harness completely, but it seems to me that detaching two points on a
> harness handle is a lot easier than unbuckling a harness, slipping it over a
> dog's head, and finding a place to store the whole thing, as opposed to just
> laying the handle down, sticking it in a seat pocket (yeah, it'll stick up,
> but less bulky), or what have you. 
> 
> Case in point: Chet, my previous guide, was small. He was a short, stocky
> dog, with a small head and a short tail and, front to back, not long t all.
> Because I kept stepping in front of his front feet in class, I was given a
> longer harness handle. This was fantastic, except for one tiny detail. The
> hanress handle stuck off Chet's butt by a good half to 3/4 of an inch or so.
> The net result of this is that, when Chet lay down, the handle, sticking off
> his hind end, would pop up a bit more and get stuck under the card
> dashboard, or the airplane seat, or hit people's legs. After a bit of such
> abuse, the corners of the grip started to unravel at the seams. Yeah, my
> harness was starting to look a bit worse for wear, well used certainly, but
> also a little ratty at the corners. And that bugged me. 
> 
> This doesn't seem to be quite the problem with Leno as it as with Chet, but
> there's time yet, and I still want to get him a Paw Power harness. I tried
> him on Chet's, but the handle's too long and it doesn't feel quite right. So
> he'll need his own. Next year, I hope. Until then, I'll put up with a
> nonremovable handle.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Jeffrey Young wrote:
> 
>> This may sound like a stupid question, but I haven't got my dog yet so I
> don't fully understand everything that goes on?
>> Why does one need a harness with a detatchible handle? Is this kind of
> like how some people prefer folding canes to rigid ones?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Jeff Young
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeeks!  I'm glad it was only the one seizure and that you stuck to 
>>> your guns.  The sport harness is terrific for hiking!
>>> 
>>> So I find myself wondering at the reasons for your program's policy 
>>> about harnesses...  Not that it matters to me, I just find it curious.
>>> 
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:01 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harnesses
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone:
>>> 
>>> I'm going to ask a question which will undoubtably get some people's 
>>> response. :) I asked my school about using another harness since I am 
>>> thinking about using the paw power sports harness on Bogart when we 
>>> do some summer hiking. After doing a hike with him this summer I 
>>> think a lighter harness designed for that type of action might work 
>>> better. I asked my school if  they had a policy about using other 
>>> harnesses on Bogart and, not surprisingly to me, they do have a 
>>> policy forbidding the use of other harnesses on their graduates. They 
>>> are also a school that maintains ownership of the dog which is a bit 
>>> annoying but I doubt, since I am a pretty strong advocate for what I 
>>> need, will be an issue. For example, Bogart had some sort of ceizure 
>>> only 2 weeks after we got home from training. Luckily the trainer was 
>>> with us on a visit so she witnessed what happend. If I had been an 
>>> insecure person and didn't say that I want to keep bogart since who 
>>> knows if this will happen again, they would have taken him back to 
>>> the school with  them that day. I think this would have happened with 
>>> most schools since they were concerned what I would do if he had 
>>> another incident and I was by myself but I was able to assure them I 
>>> knew how to handle the situation and always have a cane with me in 
>>> case something was to happen to bogart anyways. They respect my abilities
> and that was the end of the conversation.
>>> 
>>> Oops, sort of side tracked. Does any other school have a similar 
>>> harness policy? Yeah, I know, what they don't know won't hurt them so 
>>> I certainly won't hesitate from buying a sport harness if I think it 
>>> is what is best for bogart and myself based on our activities.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 7:36 am
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] harnesses
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> 
>>>> My brother has a GDB dog, and a detachable harness handle, and it 
>>>> does not come flying off while he's working the dog.  Surely, if 
>>>> that happened often, GDB would not issue them.
>>>> I don't think GDB would sell a non-grad a harness.  It has their 
>>>> name on it, after all.  Like asking Dodge to sell you their 
>>>> trademark thingy to stick on your Chevy.
>>>> 
>>>> I haven't bought one, but I rather thought that the Pawpower 
>>>> harnesses would cost similar to what a school would charge a 
>>>> non-grad, if you could get them to sell you one at all.
>>>> Tracy
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Listers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know we have discussed this subject a lot on here, so
>>>> forgive me for
>>>>> bringing it up again. So I called SE yesterday to see if they
>>>> would even
>>>>> think of developing a harness for a grad, who needs a
>>>> removable handle.
>>>>> And
>>>>> they said they have tried, but can't make one that the handle
>>>> does not
>>>>> deattach while working the dog. So here is my dilemma. With me
>>>> in cars,
>>>>> and
>>>>> on the go just much more in general. I am in desperate need of
>>>> a harness
>>>>> that has a removable handle. I have seen the new GDB harness,
>>>> with the
>>>>> quick
>>>>> release handles. Does anyone have one? And have you noticed if
>>>> the handle
>>>>> deattaches while working the dog? And is it possible for me, a
>>>> guide dog
>>>>> user to get my hands on a GDB harness? My first pup was from
>>>> GDB, but when
>>>>> I
>>>>> retired her, they took back the harness. But that was not an
>>>> harness with
>>>>> the quick release handle either. Didn't know if anyone else
>>>> has a dog from
>>>>> one school, but uses a harness from a different school. Do the
>>>> schools> frown
>>>>> upon this? Exchanging of harness and dogs? If this doesn't
>>>> work, I am
>>>>> seriously thinking of purchasing a PawPowers harness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for letting me ask questions,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>> 
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