[nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

Thu Nov 18 17:43:02 UTC 2010

Has anyone else opted for the solution that I use, which is to take off the 
guide leash and harness and put on a leash that does not have any metal for 
the short duration that it takes to go through the metal detector? Actually, 
because I use this method, I have set off the metal detector more times than 
Lexia.

Nicole and Lexia

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From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

Hi Mike and All -

Can't resist chiming in here. True, you don't choose how they proceed, but
you definitely have influence. Are these TSA agents looking for ways to
hassle blind people? Generally no. Also, they have a job to do, and they are
busy. Is there a reason you cannot trust your dog to sit and stay on command
for the short time it takes you to walk through a scanner? If your answer is
"yes", it is time to go back to the daily obedience 101 that most training
programs suggest because SIT and Stay are very basic commands your dog
should perform despite distractions. Your task is to hold the long leash low
so it doesn't set off the alarm as you walk through without your dog.  As
many of you have already enjoyed sharing, our dogs absolutely love those
patdowns, and want more of them!   Besides conducting ourselves as adult
professionals who know what we're doing, That is another great way to
connect with the agents who otherwise are having a stressful, or boring day
depending on the alert level.
It doesn't have to be traumatic- it can be a way to show off. What do you
think?

Cathryn (& Abby, also a lover of patdowns)

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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

You may not have the choice.  They decide how to examine you.

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Margo and Arrow
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 AM
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I would not use the scanner.  I trust my dog but want to be where he can see

me and I can speak to him.

Margo and Arrow
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Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

Margo is correct in that holding a long leash may not set off the
traditional detector so long as the leash stays below the scanning element.
It will NOT work with the full body scanner system.  If you are chosen for a
more detailed scan and can either use the body scanner or are subjected to a
more rigorous patdown, you could only use the body scanner if you trust your
dog to stay while you independently go into the scanner.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Margo and Arrow
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

Cathryn, that will work for metal detectors but probably not for the full
body scans--that's a different thing.

margo and Arrow
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Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:37 PM
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> All:
>
> One approach is to put your guide on a long leash sitting at the beginning
> of the walk thru metal detector/scanner. After you walk through without
> your
> dog holding the leash, you give the "Come" command to demonstrate that you
> alone did not set off the detector, and that the dog harness does. Then
> one
> of the transit authority staff will wand the dog or pat him/her down while
> you stay close and keep your hands on the dog. Done deal. It is fairly
> simple, and shouldn't change that much with full scanners.
> At least that is my experience.
>
> Cathryn (& Abby)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:48 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> Don't only selected victims, I mean, passengers, get the full-body
> radiation treatment? Maybe you won't get picked.
> Tracy
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with canes or dogs
>> now
>> that the full body machine has been installed in most airports? What do
>> we
>> do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to submit to the
>> more intrusive patdown?
>>
>> Toni
>>
>>
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