[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines

Thu Nov 18 20:55:27 UTC 2010

Another comment on obedience. Unless we go somewhere different or have 
someone come try to distract our dogs, obedience at home is very different 
than obedience in the airport. At home, it got to the point that Lexia would 
almost do the obedience routine without being told what to do, regardless of 
how I mixed up the commands.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines

> Julie,
> Thank you for saying.
> I also was concerned about all those "well-meaning" people who want to
> "help" That wasn't the dog's fault.
> In the situation I mentioned earlier, I just did not have enough
> experience with the dog to know what she'd do when I let go of her. We
> were still bonding, and it was taking awhile.  I wasn't sure she'd do
> what I told her to do unless I was right there to back it up. She loved
> other people, loved attention from other people, so I wasn't about to
> leave her someplace even if I was just a few feet away.
> I think what Julie and I are saying is that "I don't want to leave my
> dog" doesn't always equal "back to obedience you bad handler!"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Julie J
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:12 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> I have a couple of thoughts about leaving the dog at a sit stay and
> walking
> through.  First I absolutely do trust my dog to sit and stay where I put
>
> him.  I, however, do not trust the millions of very odd folks that seem
> to
> frequent airports, bus stations and train depots.  I can just see some
> person picking up the leash and trying to "help" and causing a major
> fiasco.
> I can see a scenario where I leave my dog a step behind while I go
> ahead,
> set the metal detector off and we become separated.   I'm just really
> very
> leery of being separated from my dog for any reason, especially in a
> busy
> environment with lots and lots of things out of my control.  Fortunately
> for
> me I don't fly very often.
>
> Also Monty is not fond of strange people touching him.  He absolutely
> would
> not allow such a thing if I wasn't right there to officiate.
>
> JMHO
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
> Hi Mike and All -
>
> Can't resist chiming in here. True, you don't choose how they proceed,
> but
> you definitely have influence. Are these TSA agents looking for ways to
> hassle blind people? Generally no. Also, they have a job to do, and they
> are
> busy. Is there a reason you cannot trust your dog to sit and stay on
> command
> for the short time it takes you to walk through a scanner? If your
> answer is
> "yes", it is time to go back to the daily obedience 101 that most
> training
> programs suggest because SIT and Stay are very basic commands your dog
> should perform despite distractions. Your task is to hold the long leash
> low
> so it doesn't set off the alarm as you walk through without your dog.
> As
> many of you have already enjoyed sharing, our dogs absolutely love those
> patdowns, and want more of them!   Besides conducting ourselves as adult
> professionals who know what we're doing, That is another great way to
> connect with the agents who otherwise are having a stressful, or boring
> day
> depending on the alert level.
> It doesn't have to be traumatic- it can be a way to show off. What do
> you
> think?
>
> Cathryn (& Abby, also a lover of patdowns)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:27 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> You may not have the choice.  They decide how to examine you.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> I would not use the scanner.  I trust my dog but want to be where he can
> see
>
> me and I can speak to him.
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
> Margo is correct in that holding a long leash may not set off the
> traditional detector so long as the leash stays below the scanning
> element.
> It will NOT work with the full body scanner system.  If you are chosen
> for a
> more detailed scan and can either use the body scanner or are subjected
> to a
> more rigorous patdown, you could only use the body scanner if you trust
> your
> dog to stay while you independently go into the scanner.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:23 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> Cathryn, that will work for metal detectors but probably not for the
> full
> body scans--that's a different thing.
>
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
>> All:
>>
>> One approach is to put your guide on a long leash sitting at the
> beginning
>> of the walk thru metal detector/scanner. After you walk through
> without
>> your
>> dog holding the leash, you give the "Come" command to demonstrate that
> you
>> alone did not set off the detector, and that the dog harness does.
> Then
>> one
>> of the transit authority staff will wand the dog or pat him/her down
> while
>> you stay close and keep your hands on the dog. Done deal. It is fairly
>> simple, and shouldn't change that much with full scanners.
>> At least that is my experience.
>>
>> Cathryn (& Abby)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:48 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>>
>> Don't only selected victims, I mean, passengers, get the full-body
>> radiation treatment? Maybe you won't get picked.
>> Tracy
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with canes or
> dogs
>>> now
>>> that the full body machine has been installed in most airports? What
> do
>>> we
>>> do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to submit to
> the
>>> more intrusive patdown?
>>>
>>> Toni
>>>
>>>
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