[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines

Thu Nov 18 23:23:02 UTC 2010

Oh, yeah.  Been there, done that.  There was no way I was letting go of a
newbie Mitzi guide.  Which seemed to irritate the security guy in Houston.
I really did think about it, but ...  Now I wouldn't turn a hair at the
notion.  She musta grown up or something.

She was also super shy about having other people touch her, especially if
she picked up a negative vibe from me, which she did there.  Then again,
even her bestest human buddies were iffy, although she was startig to warm
up to more and more people.  So the pat down made her wiggle and levitate
with anxiety, not joy, and she kept trying to dance around the male agent
and get to me while the female agent patted me down, insisting that I keep
my dog away from her...  What a mess!

Don't know how she'll do next time we fly.  I kep working on her shyness
issues with rewards and the "controlled greet" and now she's a shameless
hussy!  Only with dog and cat people, though.  She hes yet to introduce me
to a new best friend who doesn't already adore her.  /smile/

So maybe she'll decide to charm the next security team that wants to make
sure we're on the up and up?  /grin/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:24 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines

	I get the whole "I trust my dog" bit, but what if the dog is new
and you simply don't have enough information or experience to know the
dog will behave according to plan? With the pat down, the dog and you
are together and you can stop the dog if he/she tries to escape or do
something they shouldn't. 
It's great to trust your dog, but sometimes you have to fly when the dog
is new

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:54 AM
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Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

Arrow thinks the agents wish to play with him and he doles out generous 
kisses and tries to get in agents' laps.

margo and Arrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

I use the same method as Mike.  Benny loves the pat-down.  He's apt to
hand out free kisses to the person doing the patting.

It's a considerable relief to me to know I won't get X-rayed every time
I
go to the airport.
Tracy

> Everyone will proceed through security in their own way.  I, for
example,
> get to the opening of the standard portal, drop the harness and tell
> Africa
> to sit and stay, drop the leash and then go through the detector.
Once on
> the other side I call her.
>
> The advantage of this approach is that I do not set off the detector
and
> thus generally never face a more rigorous patdown or body scan.
Africa
> comes through the detector and always gets a full patdown which is
never
> long enough for her taste.
>
> As someone else said on this list don't make the new proceedures more
than
> what they are.  If you don't set off detectors you usually won't get
> searched anyway.  Act friendly, engage the TSA folks in a friendly
way,
> and
> you won't have a problem.
>
> I have a goal every time I go to the airport of getting TSA people to
> laugh.
> It works and I don't have problems with them.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:12 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> Don't know how this is supposed to work. Is it dangerous for the dogs
to
> go
> into the scanner?
>
> Guess I will see how all this works. Joe and I are flying to Texas for
> thanksgiving. I am a bit anxious, but not much I can do about it.
> Yesterday,
> while on the way to school, there was a radio program with women who
flew,
> and was having the "pat-down". But from her accounts the "pat-down" is
> more
> like being sexually assaulted. And I thought it was just her account
of
> the
> events but, there were other women calling into the program, saying
the
> same
> thing. That for women who are being patted-down, the people who touch
your
> very private areas, and even under the breasts. I understand the need
for
> security at the airport, But. But. But. This is in my opinion; you can
> take
> it or leave it, a clear violation of our privacy.
>
> And from what I heard and have read, is if someone sets off the metal
> detector, then you're "patted-down" or full body scanned. Now who of
us
> with
> our dogs, is not going to set off the metal detectors. I usually go
> through
> the metal detector, without my dog. But because she sets it off, I get
> searched too, not just her. Doesn't make much sense to me.
>
> Like I said, just my two cents.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Toni Whaley
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:39 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> Hello!
>
> Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with canes or
dogs
> now
> that the full body machine has been installed in most airports? What
do we
> do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to submit to
the
> more intrusive patdown?
>
> Toni
>
>
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