[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines

Fri Nov 19 15:59:07 UTC 2010

Gary, 
I'm curious, who or what is Susan? Why wouldn't your pup be as calm and
responsive? 
For those who are nervous about the whole experience, what are you
nervous about. Is it flying itself, or security? 
And, what do you do if you just cannot get into that zen state? I don't
have that problem, I enjoy flying and airport security doesn't phase me.
I ask because staying calm can be way harder then it sounds.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:59 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines

Hi Tamara:

What I really tried hard to do when I did my last flight was to stay
calm and relaxed no matter what happened. My thought was that Bogart
would read off of me what I was feeling. If I was acting relaxed then
this might help him stay in a similar frame of mind. It seemed to work
good for security. Even when I had some issues on the airplane regarding
the seat for Bogart I kept cool, kept to the facts and tried not to get
too excited.

Our next flight will be to Kellowna for xmas to be with my girlfriend's
family. We'll see how Bogart is when we add Susan to the mix. I have a
feeling not quite so calm and responsive. :)

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re:  Full Body Scanning Machines
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> Oh, yeah.  Been there, done that.  There was no way I 
> was letting go of a
> newbie Mitzi guide.  Which seemed to irritate the security 
> guy in Houston.
> I really did think about it, but ...  Now I wouldn't turn a 
> hair at the
> notion.  She musta grown up or something.
> 
> She was also super shy about having other people touch her, 
> especially if
> she picked up a negative vibe from me, which she did 
> there.  Then again,
> even her bestest human buddies were iffy, although she was 
> startig to warm
> up to more and more people.  So the pat down made her 
> wiggle and levitate
> with anxiety, not joy, and she kept trying to dance around the 
> male agent
> and get to me while the female agent patted me down, insisting 
> that I keep
> my dog away from her...  What a mess!
> 
> Don't know how she'll do next time we fly.  I kep working 
> on her shyness
> issues with rewards and the "controlled greet" and now she's a 
> shamelesshussy!  Only with dog and cat people, 
> though.  She hes yet to introduce me
> to a new best friend who doesn't already adore her.  /smile/
> 
> So maybe she'll decide to charm the next security team that 
> wants to make
> sure we're on the up and up?  /grin/
> 
> Tami Smith-Kinney
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf
> Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:24 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: Full Body Scanning Machines
> 
> 
> I get the whole "I trust my dog" bit, but what if the dog is new
> and you simply don't have enough information or experience to 
> know the
> dog will behave according to plan? With the pat down, the dog 
> and you
> are together and you can stop the dog if he/she tries to escape 
> or do
> something they shouldn't. 
> It's great to trust your dog, but sometimes you have to fly when 
> the dog
> is new
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:54 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> 
> Arrow thinks the agents wish to play with him and he doles out 
> generous 
> kisses and tries to get in agents' laps.
> 
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> 
> 
> I use the same method as Mike.  Benny loves the pat-
> down.  He's apt to
> hand out free kisses to the person doing the patting.
> 
> It's a considerable relief to me to know I won't get X-rayed 
> every time
> I
> go to the airport.
> Tracy
> 
> > Everyone will proceed through security in their own way.  
> I, for
> example,
> > get to the opening of the standard portal, drop the harness 
> and tell
> > Africa
> > to sit and stay, drop the leash and then go through the detector.
> Once on
> > the other side I call her.
> >
> > The advantage of this approach is that I do not set off the detector
> and
> > thus generally never face a more rigorous patdown or body scan.
> Africa
> > comes through the detector and always gets a full patdown 
> which is
> never
> > long enough for her taste.
> >
> > As someone else said on this list don't make the new 
> proceedures more
> than
> > what they are.  If you don't set off detectors you 
> usually won't get
> > searched anyway.  Act friendly, engage the TSA folks in a 
> friendlyway,
> > and
> > you won't have a problem.
> >
> > I have a goal every time I go to the airport of getting TSA 
> people to
> > laugh.
> > It works and I don't have problems with them.
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Marsha Drenth
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:12 AM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> >
> > Don't know how this is supposed to work. Is it dangerous for 
> the dogs
> to
> > go
> > into the scanner?
> >
> > Guess I will see how all this works. Joe and I are flying to 
> Texas for
> > thanksgiving. I am a bit anxious, but not much I can do about it.
> > Yesterday,
> > while on the way to school, there was a radio program with 
> women who
> flew,
> > and was having the "pat-down". But from her accounts the "pat-
> down" is
> > more
> > like being sexually assaulted. And I thought it was just her account
> of
> > the
> > events but, there were other women calling into the program, saying
> the
> > same
> > thing. That for women who are being patted-down, the people 
> who touch
> your
> > very private areas, and even under the breasts. I understand 
> the need
> for
> > security at the airport, But. But. But. This is in my opinion; 
> you can
> > take
> > it or leave it, a clear violation of our privacy.
> >
> > And from what I heard and have read, is if someone sets off 
> the metal
> > detector, then you're "patted-down" or full body scanned. Now 
> who of
> us
> > with
> > our dogs, is not going to set off the metal detectors. I 
> usually go
> > through
> > the metal detector, without my dog. But because she sets it 
> off, I get
> > searched too, not just her. Doesn't make much sense to me.
> >
> > Like I said, just my two cents.
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Toni Whaley
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:39 PM
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'> Subject: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with 
> canes or
> dogs
> > now
> > that the full body machine has been installed in most 
> airports? What
> do we
> > do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to 
> submit to
> the
> > more intrusive patdown?
> >
> > Toni
> >
> >
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