[nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
Cathryn Bonnette
cathrynisfinally at verizon.net
Sat Nov 20 01:21:50 UTC 2010
Hi Gary,
Since I posted someone else pointed out that we won't be able to leave the
dogs on a leash due to the full scanner. That means we need to work with
them to sit/stay even off leash. I've started reinforcing that already with
Abby so we will be ready. It seems to me to be a gradual change to add into
normal obedience. I was using a short stay command with a long leash, so now
I just unclip the leash and step away as though the leash was still in
place, use the hand gesture, step back to my dog, and praise her like crazy
for doing such a great job of staying. When we fly next, she'll be prepared
to sit/stay for a short time while I step through a scanner, then come to me
when I call her even though there is no restraining leash.
Well, that is my plan. Interested in your thoughts as well.
Blessings,
Cathryn (& Abby)
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of GARY STEEVES
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:27 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
Hi:
I just flew with Bogart a couple of weeks ago. Considering that my only
other flight was back from guide school we did great. Okay, I'll be honest.
I was actually surprised about how good Bogart was. We don't work on staying
as much as we should but I got him to the portal (as someone called it), got
him to sit and told him to stay while I walked through the metal detector.
Once done, with no beeping, I called him and he came right to me. So this
helps me realize how important it is to work on our common commands to keep
him strong at them.
At xmas I'll be flying to one of the airports where the body scanners are
being testede in canada so we'll see if that is any differnt.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathryn Bonnette <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:47 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Hi Mike and All -
>
> Can't resist chiming in here. True, you don't choose how they
> proceed, but
> you definitely have influence. Are these TSA agents looking for
> ways to
> hassle blind people? Generally no. Also, they have a job to do,
> and they are
> busy. Is there a reason you cannot trust your dog to sit and
> stay on command
> for the short time it takes you to walk through a scanner? If
> your answer is
> "yes", it is time to go back to the daily obedience 101 that
> most training
> programs suggest because SIT and Stay are very basic commands
> your dog
> should perform despite distractions. Your task is to hold the
> long leash low
> so it doesn't set off the alarm as you walk through without your
> dog. As
> many of you have already enjoyed sharing, our dogs absolutely
> love those
> patdowns, and want more of them! Besides conducting
> ourselves as adult
> professionals who know what we're doing, That is another great
> way to
> connect with the agents who otherwise are having a stressful, or
> boring day
> depending on the alert level.
> It doesn't have to be traumatic- it can be a way to show off.
> What do you
> think?
>
> Cathryn (& Abby, also a lover of patdowns)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:27 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> You may not have the choice. They decide how to examine you.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> I would not use the scanner. I trust my dog but want to be
> where he can see
>
> me and I can speak to him.
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Hingson" <mhingson at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
> Margo is correct in that holding a long leash may not set off the
> traditional detector so long as the leash stays below the
> scanning element.
> It will NOT work with the full body scanner system. If you
> are chosen for a
> more detailed scan and can either use the body scanner or are
> subjected to a
> more rigorous patdown, you could only use the body scanner if
> you trust your
> dog to stay while you independently go into the scanner.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Margo and Arrow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:23 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> Cathryn, that will work for metal detectors but probably not for
> the full
> body scans--that's a different thing.
>
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cathryn Bonnette" <cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
> > All:
> >
> > One approach is to put your guide on a long leash sitting at
> the beginning
> > of the walk thru metal detector/scanner. After you walk
> through without
> > your
> > dog holding the leash, you give the "Come" command to
> demonstrate that you
> > alone did not set off the detector, and that the dog harness
> does. Then
> > one
> > of the transit authority staff will wand the dog or pat
> him/her down while
> > you stay close and keep your hands on the dog. Done deal. It
> is fairly
> > simple, and shouldn't change that much with full scanners.
> > At least that is my experience.
> >
> > Cathryn (& Abby)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:48 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> >
> > Don't only selected victims, I mean, passengers, get the full-body
> > radiation treatment? Maybe you won't get picked.
> > Tracy
> >
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with
> canes or dogs
> >> now
> >> that the full body machine has been installed in most
> airports? What do
> >> we
> >> do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to
> submit to the
> >> more intrusive patdown?
> >>
> >> Toni
> >>
> >>
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