[nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines

Sat Nov 20 16:48:52 UTC 2010

So does that mean an automatic pat down (groping) if you set the metal 
detector off or if you are randomly selected for the body scanner (since 
a person with a guide dog can't use the scanner)??
Brenda

On 11/19/2010 10:31 PM, Ginger Kutsch wrote:
> Dear Cathryn,
>
> The TSA will not allow people traveling with service animals to
> use the Whole Body Imaging machines.
>
> If you have a service animal, you must use the metal detector as
> you have in the past. You do not have a choice.
>
> Best,
> Ginger
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Cathryn Bonnette
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:22 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> Since I posted someone else pointed out that we won't be able to
> leave the dogs on a leash due to the full scanner. That means we
> need to work with them to sit/stay even off leash. I've started
> reinforcing that already with Abby so we will be ready. It seems
> to me to be a gradual change to add into normal obedience. I was
> using a short stay command with a long leash, so now I just
> unclip the leash and step away as though the leash was still in
> place, use the hand gesture, step back to my dog, and praise her
> like crazy for doing such a great job of staying. When we fly
> next, she'll be prepared to sit/stay for a short time while I
> step through a scanner, then come to me when I call her even
> though there is no restraining leash.
> Well, that is my plan.  Interested in your thoughts as well.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Cathryn (&  Abby)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of GARY STEEVES
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:27 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I just flew with Bogart a couple of weeks ago. Considering that
> my only other flight was back from guide school we did great.
> Okay, I'll be honest.
> I was actually surprised about how good Bogart was. We don't work
> on staying as much as we should but I got him to the portal (as
> someone called it), got him to sit and told him to stay while I
> walked through the metal detector.
> Once done, with no beeping, I called him and he came right to me.
> So this helps me realize how important it is to work on our
> common commands to keep him strong at them.
>
> At xmas I'll be flying to one of the airports where the body
> scanners are being testede in canada so we'll see if that is any
> differnt.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cathryn Bonnette<cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
> Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:47 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
>> Hi Mike and All -
>>
>> Can't resist chiming in here. True, you don't choose how they
> proceed,
>> but you definitely have influence. Are these TSA agents looking
> for
>> ways to hassle blind people? Generally no. Also, they have a
> job to
>> do, and they are busy. Is there a reason you cannot trust your
> dog to
>> sit and stay on command for the short time it takes you to walk
>> through a scanner? If your answer is "yes", it is time to go
> back to
>> the daily obedience 101 that most training programs suggest
> because
>> SIT and Stay are very basic commands your dog should perform
> despite
>> distractions. Your task is to hold the long leash low so it
> doesn't
>> set off the alarm as you walk through without your dog.  As
> many of
>> you have already enjoyed sharing, our dogs absolutely love
> those
>> patdowns, and want more of them!   Besides conducting
>> ourselves as adult
>> professionals who know what we're doing, That is another great
> way to
>> connect with the agents who otherwise are having a stressful,
> or
>> boring day depending on the alert level.
>> It doesn't have to be traumatic- it can be a way to show off.
>> What do you
>> think?
>>
>> Cathryn (&  Abby, also a lover of patdowns)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Michael Hingson
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:27 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>>
>> You may not have the choice.  They decide how to examine you.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>>
>> I would not use the scanner.  I trust my dog but want to be
> where he
>> can see
>>
>> me and I can speak to him.
>>
>> Margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Hingson"<mhingson at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>>
>>
>> Margo is correct in that holding a long leash may not set off
> the
>> traditional detector so long as the leash stays below the
> scanning
>> element.
>> It will NOT work with the full body scanner system.  If you are
> chosen
>> for a more detailed scan and can either use the body scanner or
> are
>> subjected to a more rigorous patdown, you could only use the
> body
>> scanner if you trust your dog to stay while you independently
> go into
>> the scanner.
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Margo and Arrow
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:23 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>>
>> Cathryn, that will work for metal detectors but probably not
> for the
>> full body scans--that's a different thing.
>>
>> margo and Arrow
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cathryn Bonnette"<cathrynisfinally at verizon.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>>
>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> One approach is to put your guide on a long leash sitting at
>> the beginning
>>> of the walk thru metal detector/scanner. After you walk
>> through without
>>> your
>>> dog holding the leash, you give the "Come" command to
>> demonstrate that you
>>> alone did not set off the detector, and that the dog harness
>> does. Then
>>> one
>>> of the transit authority staff will wand the dog or pat
>> him/her down while
>>> you stay close and keep your hands on the dog. Done deal. It
>> is fairly
>>> simple, and shouldn't change that much with full scanners.
>>> At least that is my experience.
>>>
>>> Cathryn (&  Abby)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Tracy Carcione
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:48 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Full Body Scanning Machines
>>>
>>> Don't only selected victims, I mean, passengers, get the
> full-body
>>> radiation treatment? Maybe you won't get picked.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know what the rules are for blind people with
>> canes or dogs
>>>> now
>>>> that the full body machine has been installed in most
>> airports? What do
>>>> we
>>>> do with the dog while we're being scanned? or do we have to
>> submit to the
>>>> more intrusive patdown?
>>>>
>>>> Toni
>>>>
>>>>
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