[nagdu] airports and security

Thu Nov 25 19:01:26 UTC 2010

Not to change the topic, but with all the things being done to make air
travel safer, when is someone going to realize that security measures need
to be put in place for trains?
Jordan

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 12:01 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] airports and security

Well said David.

I realize the pat downs are invasive and may be obnixous to some.  However,
some inconvenience and a bit of invasion is the price we all must pay for
security.

We already know the media is making this into a much bigger fremzy than it
needs to be.  I have been through the process and will again as I must
travel for my work.  I would like to use the full body scan, but such is not
to be the case and I choose not to argue the point.

Mike Hingson

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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Andrews
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:55 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] airports and security

It seems to me that we should not ask for any kind of special 
treatment -- simply because we are blind.  Maybe that isn't what you 
are saying -- but some will ask for it.  After all, one of the 
masterminds of the first World Trade Center attempt, in the 90's was 
blind as I recall.

There isn't an easy answer -- someone had explosives in their shoes, 
so the shoe thing, then the underwear.  There isn't much left, except 
to hide explosives inside yourself, as some apparently do with drugs.

Dave

At 11:11 AM 11/25/2010, you wrote:
>Michael,
>
>I am not opposed to the heightened security. What I am opposed to is the
way
>the pat downs are done, and how violating they are. Feeling between my legs
>in very very private areas, looking down my underwear,  is just not right
to
>me. Yes someone posing to be blind, and in a wheelchair could have tried to
>get a bomb on the plane, but. But. But. With that said. I would like
>profiling to be done. If I fly, and TSA sees that I am a blind person, with
>a vailded ID, all my information checks out, I am who I say I am. Sure put
>me through security, make me go through the metal detector. But do not
treat
>me like I am a terrorist or a criminal. I know terrorism is a real threat.
>And I agree that what happened on 911 was horrible and should have never
>happened. I had close friends die in the towers. But there HAS. To be a
>better way.
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>Marsha
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Michael Hingson
>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:20 PM
>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] airports and security
>
>Hi,
>
>I am sorry for your experience.  However, you know you are blind, and using
>a wheelchair.  How does the TSA know that?  Also, how do they know you
>aren't targeted and either willingly or forced to carry an explosive
device?
>
>The fact is they cannot know these things.  Please keep this in
prospective.
>Invasive the pat downs may be, but, speaking as someone who was in the
World
>Trade Center on 9-11, the alternative of not being more secure and checking
>is worse.
>
>Do you think for one moment there wouldn't be a tremendous outcry if even
>one aircraft explodes  due to a lack of security?  The present measures are
>the lesser of two evils by far.
>
>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>  "Speaking with Vision"
>Michael Hingson, President
>(415) 827-4084
>info at michaelhingson.com
>To learn more about my upcoming book, speaking topics and speaking
>availability please visit www.michaelhingson.com
>Thunder Dog is now available for early ordering on Amazon!!!
>http://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Dog-Blind-Triumph-Ground/dp/140020304X/ref=sr
_
>1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289090352&sr=1-3
>
>
>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Marsha Drenth
>Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:32 AM
>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>Subject: [nagdu] airports and security
>
>Hi folks,
>
>
>
>On Monday, my hubby and I flew to Texas for thanksgiving. I did not have my
>pup with me, as last Thursday, I fell yet again, and sprained my ankle and
>tore a ligament in my leg. So I am on crutches and wearing a splint,
>probably for at least 2 weeks. So I used a wheelchair to go through
>security. Well lets just say, my experience was not pleasant. I was subject
>to the pat down. The pat down was with another female in a private room.
>Lets just say that my personal space was totally violated. Their hands went
>in areas that a stranger is not suppose to go. I felt so dirty and
>disgusting after wards. I saw all the reports on the news, facebook and
>twitter, about women being vilated through security checks, and I didn't
>believe them, or atleast I wanted to give them the benefit of doubt. But
>they are true. By the time it was all over, I was crying. I set off alarms
>twice, from different parts of body being swabbed. So then they had to go
>through all my stuff and my husbands. I can't imagine what it would have
>been like if I had gone through with my dog. It took us 45 minutes to get
>through security. I know, I know, I know what you all are saying, the
>security is there to protect us. But come on people, me, a totally blind,
>hearing impaired, sprained ankle sort of  person in a wheelchair is the
>least likely person to do anything. Hell I can't even walk at the moment.
>The people being targeted for the pat downs are the people like elderly,
the
>disabled, and children. I know we can't be too careful, but there has to be
>a better way.
>
>
>
>This was just my experience. If anyone else wants to hear more graphic
>details, email me off list.
>
>
>
>I know this is off topic, and not talking about guide dogs, but since I am
a
>guide dog user, thought I would share my comments and experiences.
>
>
>
>Marsha

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