[nagdu] airports and security

Peter Donahue pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
Thu Nov 25 19:54:41 UTC 2010


Good afternoon Dave and everyone,

    Or find another way to fly to avoid being subject to these security 
checks.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] airports and security


It is my understanding that there is a "second generation" of the
full-body scanner machines, used in Europe that show stick
figures.  It seems to me that everybody is going to have to give a
little on this one, I mean everybody -- not blind persons.

Dave

At 12:00 PM 11/25/2010, you wrote:
>Well said David.
>
>I realize the pat downs are invasive and may be obnixous to some.  However,
>some inconvenience and a bit of invasion is the price we all must pay for
>security.
>
>We already know the media is making this into a much bigger fremzy than it
>needs to be.  I have been through the process and will again as I must
>travel for my work.  I would like to use the full body scan, but such is 
>not
>to be the case and I choose not to argue the point.
>
>
>Mike Hingson
>
>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>  "Speaking with Vision"
>Michael Hingson, President
>(415) 827-4084
>info at michaelhingson.com
>To learn more about my upcoming book, speaking topics and speaking
>availability please visit www.michaelhingson.com
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>
>
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of David Andrews
>Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 9:55 AM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] airports and security
>
>It seems to me that we should not ask for any kind of special
>treatment -- simply because we are blind.  Maybe that isn't what you
>are saying -- but some will ask for it.  After all, one of the
>masterminds of the first World Trade Center attempt, in the 90's was
>blind as I recall.
>
>There isn't an easy answer -- someone had explosives in their shoes,
>so the shoe thing, then the underwear.  There isn't much left, except
>to hide explosives inside yourself, as some apparently do with drugs.
>
>Dave
>
>At 11:11 AM 11/25/2010, you wrote:
> >Michael,
> >
> >I am not opposed to the heightened security. What I am opposed to is the
>way
> >the pat downs are done, and how violating they are. Feeling between my 
> >legs
> >in very very private areas, looking down my underwear,  is just not right
>to
> >me. Yes someone posing to be blind, and in a wheelchair could have tried 
> >to
> >get a bomb on the plane, but. But. But. With that said. I would like
> >profiling to be done. If I fly, and TSA sees that I am a blind person, 
> >with
> >a vailded ID, all my information checks out, I am who I say I am. Sure 
> >put
> >me through security, make me go through the metal detector. But do not
>treat
> >me like I am a terrorist or a criminal. I know terrorism is a real 
> >threat.
> >And I agree that what happened on 911 was horrible and should have never
> >happened. I had close friends die in the towers. But there HAS. To be a
> >better way.
> >
> >Just my opinion.
> >
> >Marsha
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >Behalf
> >Of Michael Hingson
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 3:20 PM
> >To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] airports and security
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am sorry for your experience.  However, you know you are blind, and 
> >using
> >a wheelchair.  How does the TSA know that?  Also, how do they know you
> >aren't targeted and either willingly or forced to carry an explosive
>device?
> >
> >The fact is they cannot know these things.  Please keep this in
>prospective.
> >Invasive the pat downs may be, but, speaking as someone who was in the
>World
> >Trade Center on 9-11, the alternative of not being more secure and 
> >checking
> >is worse.
> >
> >Do you think for one moment there wouldn't be a tremendous outcry if even
> >one aircraft explodes  due to a lack of security?  The present measures 
> >are
> >the lesser of two evils by far.
> >
> >The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
> >  "Speaking with Vision"
> >Michael Hingson, President
> >(415) 827-4084
> >info at michaelhingson.com
> >To learn more about my upcoming book, speaking topics and speaking
> >availability please visit www.michaelhingson.com
> >Thunder Dog is now available for early ordering on Amazon!!!
> >http://www.amazon.com/Thunder-Dog-Blind-Triumph-Ground/dp/140020304X/ref=sr
>_
> >1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1289090352&sr=1-3
> >
> >
> >for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
> >http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> >Behalf
> >Of Marsha Drenth
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:32 AM
> >To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >Subject: [nagdu] airports and security
> >
> >Hi folks,
> >
> >
> >
> >On Monday, my hubby and I flew to Texas for thanksgiving. I did not have 
> >my
> >pup with me, as last Thursday, I fell yet again, and sprained my ankle 
> >and
> >tore a ligament in my leg. So I am on crutches and wearing a splint,
> >probably for at least 2 weeks. So I used a wheelchair to go through
> >security. Well lets just say, my experience was not pleasant. I was 
> >subject
> >to the pat down. The pat down was with another female in a private room.
> >Lets just say that my personal space was totally violated. Their hands 
> >went
> >in areas that a stranger is not suppose to go. I felt so dirty and
> >disgusting after wards. I saw all the reports on the news, facebook and
> >twitter, about women being vilated through security checks, and I didn't
> >believe them, or atleast I wanted to give them the benefit of doubt. But
> >they are true. By the time it was all over, I was crying. I set off 
> >alarms
> >twice, from different parts of body being swabbed. So then they had to go
> >through all my stuff and my husbands. I can't imagine what it would have
> >been like if I had gone through with my dog. It took us 45 minutes to get
> >through security. I know, I know, I know what you all are saying, the
> >security is there to protect us. But come on people, me, a totally blind,
> >hearing impaired, sprained ankle sort of  person in a wheelchair is the
> >least likely person to do anything. Hell I can't even walk at the moment.
> >The people being targeted for the pat downs are the people like elderly,
>the
> >disabled, and children. I know we can't be too careful, but there has to 
> >be
> >a better way.
> >
> >
> >
> >This was just my experience. If anyone else wants to hear more graphic
> >details, email me off list.
> >
> >
> >
> >I know this is off topic, and not talking about guide dogs, but since I 
> >am
>a
> >guide dog user, thought I would share my comments and experiences.
> >
> >
> >
> >Marsha


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