[nagdu] Blind man dies of injuries

Sat Oct 9 04:38:42 UTC 2010

Hi Jewel,

It seems likely to me that this happened some way into the crossing. As for intelligent disobedience, according to Seeing Eye's training, a dog cannot reliably judge traffic, and take appropriate evasive action, for traffic that is traveling faster than about 30 miles per hour. At 30, it only takes a couple seconds to go 200 feet. So, there you are. 
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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY

On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Jewel S. wrote:

> I wonder what Mr. Parks' family thinks of all this. Do *they* think
> that Mr. Parks is as fault because a truck hit him? What happened to
> the guide dog to not use intelligent disobedience in crossing in front
> of the truck? It makes me wonder if they were already in the middle of
> the street when the truck hit them and the truck just didn't stop...I
> would like to know more infromation about this.
> 
> Peter,
> I highly doubt the audible signal had a single thing to do with this
> death. The intersection where the audible was was 3/10 of a mile away,
> according to the police (and they would know). Can you hear an audible
> signal 1/3 of a mile away? I know the ones around Cameron Village here
> in Raleigh, NC, I can't hear them until I am about 100 feet away, and
> it is a sign to me that I am only a few minutes' walk away from the
> intersection.
> 
> An audible signal, which only chirps when you press the button, has
> made a huuuge difference for me. They installed an audible signal that
> requries you press the button to activate it at the corner of Gormon
> and Marcom, an intersection I have to cross twice to get to the bus
> stop on the diagonal opposite from where I start. The audible makes it
> easier for me, because otherwise, I have to wait for someone to arrive
> in parallel traffic for the light to change, and that is very rare,
> and traffic is pretty constant on Gromon. But I press the button, and
> about 2 minutes later, the light goes yellow then red on perpendicular
> traffic and I get to cross safely with the chirp. I am very grateful
> for this audible and it has saved me much time, frustration, and could
> even save my life, since I have actually crossed that intersection
> thinking I had the go and heard a car coming and thought "Oh shit" and
> had to rush across to get across to allow it to keep going...what if
> that car didn't stop before I got all the way across? Now I don't have
> to worry about that.
> 
> Back to the topic at hand! I would like to know more information, but
> I am sure you all do. At this point, I see a potential involuntary
> manslaughter charge, but I am not sure that the police will follow it
> through unless the family demands it.
> 
> I do not like the wording of this article. It sounds very biased
> against Mr. Parks, and newspaper reporters are supposed to be neutral,
> with no biases either way. This article sounds like the reporter feels
> sorry for the driver who was soooo helpless (yea right) and is trying
> to show that Mr. Parks is at total fault for his own death and just
> had it coming to him for jaywalking across this street.
> 
> My two cents worth again,I wonder what Mr. Parks' family thinks of
> this horrible tragedy? This is obviously a case of in
> 
> On 10/8/10, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> Of course we won't, but the language inferring that the blind guy was at
>> fault should be troubling to all of us. Especially since, as you say, we
>> don't know what really happened.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 2:34 PM, David Andrews wrote:
>> 
>>> Buddy:  None of us was there, so we don't know what happened.  Further,
>>> the newspaper was not there, and while they believe they got it right,
>>> they may have, and they may not have.
>>> 
>>> I am not trying to blame the guy, but none of us will ever know for sure
>>> why it happened!
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> At 08:10 AM 10/8/2010, you wrote:
>>>> Exactly. Very angry making.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:05 AM, Albert J Rizzi wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Unbelievable. the way it reads it makes the man with the guide dog
>>>>> responsible and decisive about walking into the path of the truck.
>>>>> Makes me
>>>>> sick.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> Founder
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>>>>> is
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>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Buddy Brannan
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 8:38 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind man dies of injuries
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, what's wrong with the following opening paragraph:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> MOORESTOWN - A blind man who walked with his guide dog into the
>>>>>> path of a pickup truck here has died from his injuries.
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>                       David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
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