[nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
cheryl echevarria
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Thu Oct 28 12:09:56 UTC 2010
Jewel there is usually a lot of room by my feet we get the corner so there is room for the dog, since there is no real waitress staff which is behind the tables.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jewel S.<mailto:herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
Thank you for this information. It was really a curiousity question,
though I know a hibachi grill near me and friends who have a guide dog
currently (and I hope to soon! Application is in for GDF!)
On 10/28/10, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net>> wrote:
> Jewel,
> Yu ask a great question! Though the ADA sets forth the conditions of
> direct threat and failure to control the dog as conditions under which a dog
> can be refused, it is the FDA that has created rules for such things as food
> preparation areas and that service animals cannot sit on chairs or be fed
> from tables in restaurants. I need to find this regulation, as it is very
> instructive!
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com<mailto:herekittykat2 at gmail.com>>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>
>
>> What about food preparation areas that are open to the public, such as
>> in a Jibachi grill? The food is prepared on a stovetop right in front
>> of people, so that is the food preparation area. Is there any
>> exception made in the ADA saying guide dogs can't be excluded from
>> these locales?
>>
>> Also, I'd like to note that while petting zoos are usually open to
>> people with service animals, I think the real problem is with
>> open-area exhibits, such as bird- or monkey-houses, 'safaris' (where
>> people are driven through an open area where wild animals are living
>> on zoo property, and behind-the-scenes areas, such as backstage tours
>> of the veterinary buildings (where sick or injured animals may be
>> loose, and the public is welcome, but a dog may startle the sick or
>> injured animals). Those are the instances wehre I think it would be
>> appropriate for a zoo to say no to a service animal's accommpaniment.
>>
>> On 10/27/10, Steve Johnson <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net<mailto:stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>> wrote:
>>> Julie,
>>>
>>> I can send you the training materials we had received from our Service
>>> Dog
>>> Symposium here in Wisconsin as the Federal portion covered many of the
>>> Federal laws in regards to access by animals. Remember with the new
>>> changes
>>> that will be implemented on March 15, it is only the ADA that defines a
>>> service animal as being a dog or miniature horse, but other laws have
>>> different definitions. It might be helpful as it will give some broad
>>> info
>>> to start researching from.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you would like this, and you can just email me off list to
>>> stevencjohnson at centurytel.net<mailto:stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julie J
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:07 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>> LOL Confession time, I'm working on my book about guide dogs. I have a
>>> couple of examples of places that guides can be excluded, but I thought
>>> you
>>> guys might jog something loose in my head of other places or other issues
>>>
>>> I
>>> wanted to address.
>>>
>>> I promise not to use information or quotes from anyone without
>>> permission.
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com<mailto:REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>>
>>>> And now I've got to ask, what are you doing with this information?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Julie J
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:18 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, not sure. they definitely wouldn't be if they participated in the
>>>>
>>>> government hot lunch program or got any other government money. I'll
>>>> have
>>>> to think more on it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com<mailto:kaybaycar at gmail.com>>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What about private schools? I'm pretty sure they are not covered
>>>>> either. I could be wrong about this though. Not an expert on ADA.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/27/10, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> I knew a guy who occasionally had to work in a "clean room" in a
>>>> factory.
>>>>>> Whatever was being made was very sensitive to dust and such. He had
>>>> to
>>>>>> wear a special suit, and he couldn't have his dog with him.
>>>>>> That's not really a public access thing, though.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to come up with a list of places that are not covered
>>>> under
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ADA in regard to public access. I'm really struggling to come up
>>>> with
>>>>>>> very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far I'm thinking:
>>>>>>> *places of religious worship, when there are no other programs open
>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> public or state or federal funds involved
>>>>>>> *private homes
>>>>>>> *sterile health care environments, like operating rooms
>>>>>>> *zoos when there is direct contact with animals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are these correct? Are there any others that anyone can think of?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks much!
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
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