[nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article

Fri Apr 8 14:47:16 UTC 2011

Thank you Lisa. I was wondering what you were getting at. 

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Irving
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:07 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article

Hi Rebecca,

After I read Marion's posting regarding the DOJ's standards for disclosing a 
disability and what can and can not be asked, I'm retracting my remarks 
about having to demonstrate or document. I mentioned in a posting to, I 
think, Julie, I was thinking of medical paperwork I have to provide to Fair 
Housing.

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article

> Lisa,
> Can you explain?
> How should we demonstrate our disability and to whom.  Why does that 
> person get to decide if we are disabled.
> I can remember stopping off at a gas station to use the bathroom very late 
> at night. I had to pee so bad I could taste it. I go into the store 
> associated with the gas station and the guy in charge tells me dogs aren't 
> allowed. I explain to him that my dog was a guide dog, the whole time 
> doing my best not to pee on the floor. I have absolutely no idea how I 
> convinced the guy that I really am blind, but I do remember his first 
> comment being "But your eyes look fine and you don't act blind".
> I apparently didn't meet his definition.
> Also, what happens if the person we demonstrate to decides that their 
> solution (not using the dog) is moreappropriate?
> And would your system only impact dog users or all people who are blind? 
> Why or why not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of Lisa Irving
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:02 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article
>
> Yes, we might take personal offense to justifying our disability because 
> we
> already do this on a regular basis. With that said, our laws are intended 
> to
> be objective. hence, the need to demonstrate/document our disability.
>
> Lisa and Bernie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article
>
>
>> Ahem prove we are disabled.
>> When you are being guided walking with someone to the gate, isn't that
>> proof enough we are blind?
>> I for one get assistance, I wouldn't have no clue how to get from one 
>> gate
>> to another at any air port.
>> What kinds of proof do I need to add to the other items I'm taking with
>> me.
>> I sure wouldn't want to take an eye out just to prove that I'm disabled.
>> Something just doesn't sound correct here.
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Cheryl,
>>>     Just as a point of clarification, a medical condition, in and of
>>> itself,
>>> is not sufficient to protect a person under these circumstances. In 
>>> order
>>> to
>>> be afforded protection under the Fair Housing Act, the person must be
>>> disabled. The same is true with protection under the ADA. This article
>>> clearly states that the Court found that the plaintiff was disabled as
>>> the
>>> result of the medical condition. Likewise, should any of us file a
>>> complaint, it would be incumbant upon us to prove that we are disabled,
>>> as
>>> these laws only protect indivisuals with disabilities.
>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article
>>
>>
>>>> FYI, AIDS is a recognized Medical Condition. So, why should this post a
>>>> threat Aaron.
>>
>>>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>
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>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: Steven Johnson<mailto:blinddog3 at charter.net>
>>>>  To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>> Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:56 AM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article
>>
>>
>>>>  What position and in what respects?  This ruling is covered by the 
>>>> Fair
>>>>  Housing Amendments Act, not the ADA.
>>
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>  Of Aaron Cannon
>>>>  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:32 PM
>>>>  To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>  Subject: [nagdu] Emotional Support Dog Article
>>
>>>>  My opinion:
>>>>  This ruling certainly doesn't help our position.
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2011/04/ruling_says_lan.html<http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2011/04/ruling_says_lan.html>
>>
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