[nagdu] should guides be given a second ownerifitdoesn'tworkout with the first owner?
Sarah Clark
goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net
Fri Apr 15 16:51:42 UTC 2011
Hi Peggy,
Thinking about it, you probably don't even really need to know why the match
didn't work, if its not something that is going to impact you. The only
reason I can think of that a handler would need to know is if the dog has
some kind of medical condition where it is going to need prescription dog
food, or baths every couple weeks, or something else that is going to be a
real hassel and/or cost a lot more money than usual. But then again, I'd
think a handler should know this about any dog regardless if its a reissue
or not.
As long as the reissue matches what the new handler wants, and the handler
is specific in what they want, there shouldn't be any problems. If the
previous handler returned the dog because they didn't like something such as
that the dog scavenged a lot or counter surfed, etc, that shouldn't matter
too much either because if the new handler specifically doesn't want to deal
with a major food distraction issue, they'd want to request a dog that isn't
too food distracted, or ideally, who doesn't have a food distraction problem
at all.
Sarah & Miguel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy" <pshald at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second ownerifitdoesn'tworkout
with the first owner?
> That's just it, you have no idea why the match didn't work, I'd be curious
> to find out, but schools don't always provide that information. My
> current Seeing Eye dog is a reissued dog and she is one of the best dogs I
> have ever had. As I said I'll always wonder why her previous match didn't
> work out but she is wonderful ... she was taken back to the school,
> re-evaluated and whatever else they have to do. She lived in one of the
> instructor's offices for supervision for quite a while. It was determined
> that she was still workable and was then matched with me and it's turned
> out wonderful.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah Clark
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:15 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner
> ifitdoesn'tworkout with the first owner?
>
> I don't think you can turn down all reissues, or classify them all in the
> same category. True that an occasional dog that is a reissue may have
> been
> sent back for unpleasant reasons like being too hard to handle for the
> handler, or certain health conditions that wouldn't stop the dog from
> working but that the handler didn't want to deal with, etc, but many of
> them
> are sent back for reasons that are not negative at all. Maybe the dog
> just
> walked too fast for the handler and they got home and realized this and
> that
> they couldn't slow the dog down (this happened to my husband with a guide
> many years ago). Maybe it just wasn't a good match. Or maybe the person
> lived in a very hot climate and the dog just couldn't handle the extreme
> heat (also happened with someone I know).
> I wouldn't think twice about taking a reissue if the school thinks the dog
> is a good match for me and what I'm looking for. Its also true that they
> have the experience under their belt so are often more seasoned than the
> younger dogs. Though it is clear that some applicants don't want them
> because each school I have applied to has asked during the interview if
> I'd
> be open to having one.
>
> Sarah & Miguel
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if
> itdoesn'tworkout with the first owner?
>
>
>>I know a guy who had a guide who had been reissued. This dog was with a
>>guy who got himself arrested and a jail term and the dog was taken from
>>him and my friend got this same dog. Boy, what stories this dog could
>>have told if he could talk! It was a very nice dog and she worked well
>>for my friend and she had a good long working life.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if it
>> doesn'tworkout with the first owner?
>>
>>
>>> Hi there, Tami and Brittney,
>>>
>>> The more I contemplate the re issuance of a guide dog, I keep thinking
>>> how much it means to me when someone gives me a second chance. Our dogs
>>> deserve as many chances as we can give them; first time out, or re
>>> issued.
>>>
>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if it
>>> doesn'twork out with the first owner?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brittney,
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad you asked this question. That's one of those program policies
>>>> I
>>>> ran across while researching for owner-training, and my first response
>>>> to
>>>> the notion was very negative.
>>>>
>>>> Since then, I've heard of enough positive experience with dogs who were
>>>> reissued after being returned to have a more favorable view of the
>>>> practice.
>>>> Most of what I've heard is from people who have done well with
>>>> re-issued
>>>> dogs or from people who know people... /smile/ Still, I get it more
>>>> now
>>>> and understand the reasoning others have explained, and it does seem to
>>>> work
>>>> for the most part. There will certainly be times when it doesn't, but
>>>> that
>>>> is true of matches in general.
>>>>
>>>> As for whether you're over-reacting... As a still pretty new and only
>>>> somewhat experienced guide dog handler, also an owner-trainer then
>>>> self-taught handler, I've been observing the attitudes and ways of
>>>> thinking
>>>> of handlers at or just above my level of experience as closely as I
>>>> have
>>>> those of the long-timers. I can watch my peers in that regard to give
>>>> myself a reality check as to how I'm coming along not just in skill but
>>>> in
>>>> maturity as a handler while I'm learning from those with much more
>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> So here's my observation, based not just on myself but on a generalized
>>>> group of other first time handlers going through or just coming past
>>>> the
>>>> team building phase: We over-react. To everything. /lol/ The good,
>>>> the
>>>> bad, the mundane... It is all new and exciting and frightening and
>>>> wonderful and awful, all beyond belief. We popped out to dinner just
>>>> this
>>>> evening, and at the restaurant there was just this one little thing
>>>> that no
>>>> one would have noticed beyond our table... Outwardly, I remained calm
>>>> and
>>>> responded correctly and it was all okay. Inwardly, what did I do?
>>>> /lol/
>>>> OMG! How can this be? What can it mean? Oh, no, this is so terrible!
>>>> Then I noticed nothing had actually happened that was worth all the
>>>> fuss and
>>>> got over it. /smile/ More and more, it's all old hat, but apparently
>>>> I can
>>>> still freak out just fine over absolutely nothing.
>>>>
>>>> As for working through bad habits in your re-issue dog... I think
>>>> others
>>>> are right in their observations that during the first year or so, there
>>>> will
>>>> always be something that will make you absolutely crazy about your dog.
>>>> In
>>>> your first dog, these will be far more magnified in your own mind than
>>>> in
>>>> those you work with later on as a truly experience dhandler. The bad
>>>> habits
>>>> need to be dealt with and modified, certainly, but it's not really
>>>> habit for
>>>> you yet to deal with those ups and downs. So you really have to think
>>>> your
>>>> way through it and notice every little thing and try to figure out how
>>>> to
>>>> counteract and... Well, on and on. It just takes awhile for all of
>>>> that to
>>>> become havit and natural. I've only been there for a short while --
>>>> with
>>>> minor blips where I freak out over nothing -- and that sure is nice!
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with your dog; sounds like you're coming through the tream
>>>> building phase and are starting on the next one -- which is where it
>>>> all
>>>> falls together and you're just you working your guide. /smile/ I'm
>>>> loving
>>>> that, and trying to hold onto that feeling as I move into the taking it
>>>> all
>>>> for granted phase.
>>>>
>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing List
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if it doesn't
>>>> work
>>>> out with the first owner?
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> My dog had another handler before me. I don't think that guides should
>>>> be
>>>> given another handlerbecause the dog picksup a lot of bad habits and
>>>> they
>>>> are really hard to get rid of. I love my dog very muchand harvard
>>>> has
>>>> changed my life, but it took me a year to stop a lot of her bad
>>>> habbits, and
>>>> we still have some work to do. What do you guys think? am I over
>>>> reacting?
>>>>
>>>>
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