[nagdu] Lisa and All: Bill of Rights
Lisa Irving
lirving1234 at cox.net
Mon Apr 18 05:45:58 UTC 2011
Very well stated. This statement also needs verbage that failure to disclose
such information has the potential to ruin an otherwise well matched guide
dog team.
Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Lisa and All: Bill of Rights
> The guide dog program shall disclose any known health, behavioral or other
> issues concerning the consumer's dog
> prior to the completion of the formal training program, in the consumer's
> preferred format
>
>
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:26 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Lisa and All: Bill of Rights
>
>
>>
>> Lisa,
>> Let me ask you to complete this statement as it pertains to the issues
>> you raise. Please keep the statement succinct, about one or two
>> sentences. Anyone else who wants to take a stab at it is welcome to do
>> so. As a guideline, here is the statement that would precede this one.
>>
>> a. Consumers shall expect that every effort shall be made to
>> provide dogs in excellent health and appropriate temperament
>>
>>
>> Now, complete this statement to provide that the program discloses this
>> information:
>>
>> The guide dog training program shall disclose ....
>>
>> I look forward to your input on our Bill of Rights!
>>
>> fraternally yours,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:16 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] when should schools give information about dog guides
>> and re issued guides
>>
>>
>>> I believe the school has an obligation to be up front with the student.
>>> I respect that the school doesn't want to set the student or the dog up
>>> for frustration and failure. This is what I base my belief on.
>>>
>>> My first guide dog was a sweet and stubborn Goldie. She was a finicky
>>> eater too. The school said nothing about her propensity to not eat.
>>> However, the puppy raiser did tell me on the sly. I was told that from
>>> the "get-go" my Goldie was a fussy eater. The puppyraisers used
>>> unconventional ways to get her to eat. They sprinkled Parmashon cheese
>>> on her food. That's all right by me. They also 'fessed up to slipping
>>> her people food. I'm glad they told me. It helped me be on the alert.
>>>
>>> My second dog, Louie, was a ever hungry Labrador. The puppyraisers said
>>> something about all of his allergies and how he needed special food. I
>>> disregarded what they said because I figured if my dog had various food
>>> allergies the school would know and they would tell me. Louie is the
>>> dog I returned because I thought he had behavioral issues. No, he had
>>> very severe food allergies which explained why he learned to get the
>>> bungy cords off the trash cans and feast. He also feasted on animal
>>> feces too.
>>>
>>> Bernie, my third guide dog, probably has some food allergies. Not
>>> wanting a sad repeat of the previous food related experiences with
>>> Louie, I nipped the problem in the bud. That is, Bernie ate two
>>> different dog foods that left him with gooey poo. Bernie eats a fresh
>>> and whole food quality dog food. The joke is, I can eat the dog's food
>>> if I really want a truly healthy and balanced diet.{In Bernie's food is:
>>> salmon, barley, beets, carrots and ginger and other items{.
>>>
>>> Lisa and Bernie , ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second
>>> ownerifitdoesn'tworkout with the first owner?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Sarah.
>>>> Quite true. Though I'd be happy if the puppy raiser would let me know
>>>> if,
>>>> say, the dog was a habitual counter surfer. Though they probably
>>>> wouldn't, for fear of getting their puppy dropped from training.
>>>> I figure knowledge is power, and I'm a big girl who won't go nuts over
>>>> little problems. But you're probably right that no one is going to
>>>> tell
>>>> me all I'd like to know.
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tracy,
>>>>> I was just comparing it to what we know about the guides we receive
>>>>> who
>>>>> are
>>>>> not reissues. They normally don't tell us about those things when we
>>>>> receive a nonreissue, so I wouldn't really expect them to for a
>>>>> reissue
>>>>> just
>>>>> because it was a reissue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sarah & Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 11:20 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second
>>>>> ownerifitdoesn'tworkout
>>>>> with the first owner?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sarah.
>>>>>> I don't think I buy your argument. There could be plenty of
>>>>>> undesirable
>>>>>> behaviors I might never think to mention. For example, Ben empties
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> route. The best I've managed to do is teach him to pull over first.
>>>>>> To
>>>>>> me, this is a very undesirable behavior, but it did not occur to me
>>>>>> during
>>>>>> the matching process to say so, any more than I would think to
>>>>>> mention
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a shoe salesman that I don't want my shoe laces coming untied every 5
>>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>> Personally, I'd like to at least be made aware of any undesirable
>>>>>> behavior
>>>>>> the school is aware of, so I could either take immediate steps to
>>>>>> correct
>>>>>> it, or decide I don't want to deal with it at all. You can bet, next
>>>>>> time, I'll say very loudly that I don't want a dog who empties on
>>>>>> route.
>>>>>> Then they'll probably give me a counter surfer instead. <grimace.>
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Peggy,
>>>>>>> Thinking about it, you probably don't even really need to know why
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> match
>>>>>>> didn't work, if its not something that is going to impact you. The
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> reason I can think of that a handler would need to know is if the
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> some kind of medical condition where it is going to need
>>>>>>> prescription
>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>> food, or baths every couple weeks, or something else that is going
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> real hassel and/or cost a lot more money than usual. But then
>>>>>>> again,
>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>> think a handler should know this about any dog regardless if its a
>>>>>>> reissue
>>>>>>> or not.
>>>>>>> As long as the reissue matches what the new handler wants, and the
>>>>>>> handler
>>>>>>> is specific in what they want, there shouldn't be any problems. If
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> previous handler returned the dog because they didn't like something
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> that the dog scavenged a lot or counter surfed, etc, that shouldn't
>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>>> too much either because if the new handler specifically doesn't want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>> with a major food distraction issue, they'd want to request a dog
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>> too food distracted, or ideally, who doesn't have a food distraction
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sarah & Miguel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Peggy" <pshald at neb.rr.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:29 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second
>>>>>>> ownerifitdoesn'tworkout
>>>>>>> with the first owner?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's just it, you have no idea why the match didn't work, I'd be
>>>>>>>> curious
>>>>>>>> to find out, but schools don't always provide that information. My
>>>>>>>> current Seeing Eye dog is a reissued dog and she is one of the best
>>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have ever had. As I said I'll always wonder why her previous match
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>> work out but she is wonderful ... she was taken back to the school,
>>>>>>>> re-evaluated and whatever else they have to do. She lived in one
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> instructor's offices for supervision for quite a while. It was
>>>>>>>> determined
>>>>>>>> that she was still workable and was then matched with me and it's
>>>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>>> out wonderful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Sarah Clark
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 10:15 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner
>>>>>>>> ifitdoesn'tworkout with the first owner?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think you can turn down all reissues, or classify them all
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> same category. True that an occasional dog that is a reissue may
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> sent back for unpleasant reasons like being too hard to handle for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> handler, or certain health conditions that wouldn't stop the dog
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> working but that the handler didn't want to deal with, etc, but
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> are sent back for reasons that are not negative at all. Maybe the
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> walked too fast for the handler and they got home and realized this
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> they couldn't slow the dog down (this happened to my husband with a
>>>>>>>> guide
>>>>>>>> many years ago). Maybe it just wasn't a good match. Or maybe the
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> lived in a very hot climate and the dog just couldn't handle the
>>>>>>>> extreme
>>>>>>>> heat (also happened with someone I know).
>>>>>>>> I wouldn't think twice about taking a reissue if the school thinks
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>> is a good match for me and what I'm looking for. Its also true
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> have the experience under their belt so are often more seasoned
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> younger dogs. Though it is clear that some applicants don't want
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> because each school I have applied to has asked during the
>>>>>>>> interview
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>> be open to having one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sarah & Miguel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:01 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if
>>>>>>>> itdoesn'tworkout with the first owner?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I know a guy who had a guide who had been reissued. This dog was
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>guy who got himself arrested and a jail term and the dog was taken
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>him and my friend got this same dog. Boy, what stories this dog
>>>>>>>>>could
>>>>>>>>>have told if he could talk! It was a very nice dog and she worked
>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>for my friend and she had a good long working life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:24 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if it
>>>>>>>>> doesn'tworkout with the first owner?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there, Tami and Brittney,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The more I contemplate the re issuance of a guide dog, I keep
>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>> how much it means to me when someone gives me a second chance.
>>>>>>>>>> Our
>>>>>>>>>> dogs
>>>>>>>>>> deserve as many chances as we can give them; first time out, or
>>>>>>>>>> re
>>>>>>>>>> issued.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn'twork out with the first owner?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brittney,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad you asked this question. That's one of those program
>>>>>>>>>>> policies
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> ran across while researching for owner-training, and my first
>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the notion was very negative.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since then, I've heard of enough positive experience with dogs
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>> reissued after being returned to have a more favorable view of
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> practice.
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of what I've heard is from people who have done well with
>>>>>>>>>>> re-issued
>>>>>>>>>>> dogs or from people who know people... /smile/ Still, I get it
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>> and understand the reasoning others have explained, and it does
>>>>>>>>>>> seem
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>> for the most part. There will certainly be times when it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> is true of matches in general.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for whether you're over-reacting... As a still pretty new
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat experienced guide dog handler, also an owner-trainer
>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>> self-taught handler, I've been observing the attitudes and ways
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>> of handlers at or just above my level of experience as closely
>>>>>>>>>>> as I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> those of the long-timers. I can watch my peers in that regard
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> myself a reality check as to how I'm coming along not just in
>>>>>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> maturity as a handler while I'm learning from those with much
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So here's my observation, based not just on myself but on a
>>>>>>>>>>> generalized
>>>>>>>>>>> group of other first time handlers going through or just coming
>>>>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> team building phase: We over-react. To everything. /lol/ The
>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> bad, the mundane... It is all new and exciting and frightening
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> wonderful and awful, all beyond belief. We popped out to dinner
>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> evening, and at the restaurant there was just this one little
>>>>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> that no
>>>>>>>>>>> one would have noticed beyond our table... Outwardly, I
>>>>>>>>>>> remained
>>>>>>>>>>> calm
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> responded correctly and it was all okay. Inwardly, what did I
>>>>>>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>>>>>> /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>> OMG! How can this be? What can it mean? Oh, no, this is so
>>>>>>>>>>> terrible!
>>>>>>>>>>> Then I noticed nothing had actually happened that was worth all
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> fuss and
>>>>>>>>>>> got over it. /smile/ More and more, it's all old hat, but
>>>>>>>>>>> apparently
>>>>>>>>>>> I can
>>>>>>>>>>> still freak out just fine over absolutely nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for working through bad habits in your re-issue dog... I
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>> are right in their observations that during the first year or
>>>>>>>>>>> so,
>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> always be something that will make you absolutely crazy about
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>> your first dog, these will be far more magnified in your own
>>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> those you work with later on as a truly experience dhandler.
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>>>>> habits
>>>>>>>>>>> need to be dealt with and modified, certainly, but it's not
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> habit for
>>>>>>>>>>> you yet to deal with those ups and downs. So you really have to
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> way through it and notice every little thing and try to figure
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> counteract and... Well, on and on. It just takes awhile for
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> that to
>>>>>>>>>>> become havit and natural. I've only been there for a short
>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> minor blips where I freak out over nothing -- and that sure is
>>>>>>>>>>> nice!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck with your dog; sounds like you're coming through the
>>>>>>>>>>> tream
>>>>>>>>>>> building phase and are starting on the next one -- which is
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> falls together and you're just you working your guide. /smile/
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>>>>> that, and trying to hold onto that feeling as I move into the
>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> for granted phase.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 3:20 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: the National Association of Guide Dog Users NAGDU Mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] should guides be given a second owner if it
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>> out with the first owner?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>> My dog had another handler before me. I don't think that guides
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> given another handlerbecause the dog picksup a lot of bad habits
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> are really hard to get rid of. I love my dog very muchand
>>>>>>>>>>> harvard
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> changed my life, but it took me a year to stop a lot of her bad
>>>>>>>>>>> habbits, and
>>>>>>>>>>> we still have some work to do. What do you guys think? am I
>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>> reacting?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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