[nagdu] stealing food was should guides begiven asecond ownerifitdoesn'tworkoutwith the first owner?

Tamara Smith-Kinney tamara.8024 at comcast.net
Tue Apr 19 22:28:17 UTC 2011 

Julie,

Just when you thought it was safe...  /lol/  Just because you've managed to
remove a bad habit doesn't mean the dog's not going to snag a nummy treat
now and then.  So long as it doesn't go back to being something have to deal
with all day, every day...  /lol/

Mitzi was hysterical after we moved in with DD, since he could see her
silently conducting her life of crime...  And he could see her expression
when he busted her in the actand told her no from the other room.  He
assures me he has never seen a dog -- or anyone else -- look so shocked in
all his life.  I think it had never occurred to her that this new human
could *see* her.  So of course she had to test this out by making it a
mission to see how much she couldn't get away anymore.  It about made him
crazy to have such a rebellious creature living under his roof until he
finally clued in that she was now just messing with him for her own
amusement.  Then he started laughing and playing the game back.  It got to
be quite a contest, but she was having so much fun with that she pretty much
forgot about countersurfing.  Except on special occasions, of course.
Silly, silly silly poodle!

I still find myself wondering what she must have been getting up to in my
old apartment after she discovered the freedom of silence.  And yes, I had
bells on her collar.  Took her all of a day to figure out how to keep them
from jingling when she wanted to do something she thought might upset me if
I knew about it.  I would only find the end result when I stepped on it or
tripped over it or found it where it wasn't supposed to be with a new and
confusing new texture to it or...  By then it was too late to do anything to
prevent her doing it again except to fail to be as impressed as she seemed
to think I should be at how clever she was.

How did I ever manage to survive that pup long enough for her to grow up?
/lol/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 2:00 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] stealing food was should guides begiven asecond
ownerifitdoesn'tworkoutwith the first owner?

Gary and all,

Monty is also tall enough that he can rest his chin on my dining room table.

With only a tiny bit of stretching he can reach the kitchen counter and his 
feet don't even have to leave the floor.  He used to steal food for the 
first few months that I had him, but I don't think he had ever gotten into 
trouble for it before.  He'd usually bring his prizes right to me so he 
could lay down next to me and eat them.   I'd trade him his prize for an 
appropriate treat or toy.  I also kept a super close watch on him and would 
call him every time he went into the kitchen and I thought he might be 
scoping out the prospects.  He has been very, very good around food for such

a long time I don't think about it too much,  until today...the husband was 
cutting fat off a beef roast and Monty tried to snag a piece.  Oh, M-dog, I 
think there is much food refusal practice in your future!

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GARY STEEVES" <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given asecond 
ownerifitdoesn'tworkoutwith the first owner?


>
> Hi Sara:
>
> I'm not sure if Bogart would counter surf but he is very tall and his head

> is perfectly at table/counter height so I'm sure the temptation must be 
> there. To be honest he is really quite good. I was thinking about that the

> other day when I left a box of girl guide cookies sitting on the end 
> table, only feet from where he sleeps at night with no worries he'd get 
> into them. So it is just embarrassing when you are at a restaurant and you

> don't notice your dog has gotten up from his down position, is now sitting

> like a good boy with his chin resting on the table. :)
>
> I'm hoping to get caught up on my emails eventually but where are you 
> getting your poodle from? You'll love it I'm sure.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarah Clark <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given asecond 
> ownerifitdoesn'tworkoutwith the first owner?
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
>> Geez, I know a lot of dogs counter surf -- but I just can't
>> picture it!  The counters are way up there, and the dog is
>> way down there...  I can't imagine them flying through the
>> air like that!
>> Obviously Miguel doesn't do it.  He'd occasionally try to
>> grab something if it were at his level, and if it were
>> unsupervised. (he only tries it when he doesn't think he'll get
>> caught).  But I can't imagine him getting something way up
>> onto the counter.  But I learned quickly to not lay stuff
>> on coffee tables and to keep things from the edge of the table
>> when I'm not there, and he hasn't tried to get more creative
>> than that.
>> It may be the case that I don't know exactly what I'm getting
>> myself into with this poodle thing...
>>
>> Sarah & Miguel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney"
>> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the
>> National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given asecond
>> ownerifitdoesn'tworkoutwith the first owner?
>>
>>
>> >Diana,
>> >
>> >That is a wonderfully told wonderful story.  What a great dog.
>> >
>> >I've come to the conclusion with my own guide dog kinda thing --
>> who also
>> >adores that man of the house -- that her stubbornness is what I
>> value most
>> >about her as a guide.  If I had a dog who did what I told
>> it to, I would be
>> >in real trouble.  /lol/
>> >
>> >As for counter surfing...We actually got through both winter holidays
>> >without a single pie ending up inside the poodle.  This
>> put us all on edge
>> >and made us a little jumpy, because we couldn't believe that
>> would actually
>> >happen, but we finally recovered.  So one night, there was
>> some noise in the
>> >kitchen, a bit of scrape and something hitting the floor.
>> Tami slept
>> >rhrough it.  DD and BB woke up, decided Tami must be
>> walking around and had
>> >run into something, and started to go back to sleep...
>> >
>> >Then they heard another sound (Mitzi must be getting sloppy due
>> to lack of
>> >practice) and found a crime in progress and nearly done.
>> So much for the
>> >brownies...  It took awhile for them to evaluate the scene
>> of the crime and
>> >work out how it all took place.  Those brownies were quite
>> safely out of
>> >poodle reach -- we have learned our lessons around here, for
>> sure!  As near
>> >as any of us have been able to figure out, she took a flying
>> leap over the
>> >stereo onto the counter from the dining room side, thus inadvertently
>> >pushing the pan of brownies onto the floor and giving herself
>> away.  Not to
>> >be deterred just because the cops were alerted and probably on
>> their way,
>> >she followed the brownies into the kitchen and had her way with them!
>> >
>> >So, bad habit not broken, it seems.  I gotta admit, she is
>> certainly clever
>> >and hardworking in the pursuit of her life of crime.  /lol/
>> >
>> >Tami Smith-Kinney
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> >Of Diana Dawne
>> >Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:50 PM
>> >To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] should guides be given a second
>> >ownerifitdoesn'tworkoutwith the first owner?
>> >
>> >Hi.  Let me tell you about the magical Fuller Brush.
>> Fuller was 26
>> >months when I received him.  he was and is a headstrong
>> hard headed
>> >self absorbed creature.  I think maybe he was raised in a
>> barn as his
>> >house manners are not wonderful for example he is a sneaky counter
>> >surfer and even at 7 he still likes to get into things but he
>> had one
>> >exceptional talent.  He is probably the most awesome guide
>> I have ever
>> >encountered.  I have had six.  Some of the others
>> probably have equaled
>> >his abilities but it took a while to hone their skills whereas Fuller
>> >had those skills coming out of the gate.  Honest to God he
>> was born to
>> >be a guide and probably a counter surfer too.
>> >
>> >I did not bond that well with Fuller as he felt as guide he decided
>> >what was acceptable and what wasn't and he acted as though
>> anything I
>> >did for him was the very least I could do and well below what
>> he the
>> >Magic Fuller deserved but what I needed was a guide and he fit
>> the bill
>> >perfectly for that so I accepted the rest.
>> >
>> >When I returned home with him he immediately totally and helplessly
>> >fell in love with my husband.  This man was much older
>> than I am and he
>> >was beginning that decline none of us wishes to consider.
>> Through that
>> >time, Fuller continued to work with me and his guide work was perfect
>> >but as my husband began that downward spiral it was Fuller who was
>> >close to him.  Although he had children, it was Fuller who
>> loved him,
>> >who believed in him when he had self doubts, who comforted him
>> when no
>> >one else could reach him, and who held out hope when things
>> looked very
>> >bleak.  He is gone now and no one can repay Fuller for the
>> untold>wonderful good deeds he did for this man and although we
>> have had to
>> >make some adjustments, Fuller remains the perfect guide or as others
>> >have referred to him the bomb and of course he also remains a counter
>> >surfer I just have to use a tie down when I plan to leave
>> things on the
>> >counter
>> >
>> >To my knowledge Fuller was not a reissue he also was not extremely
>> >young when I got him but he does embody every good trait we
>> hope to see
>> >in a guide-- well except the counter surfing!  laughter.
>> He is the
>> >Magical and Enchanting Fuller Brush
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >Diana Dawne PHD
>> >phone and fax: good for  The United States and Canada
>> 18775232688>email: drdawne at samobile.net
>> >
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