[nagdu] Quick Question

PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
Tue Apr 26 15:20:35 UTC 2011 

Tracey, You have good points here.
I also did musical festivals with my dogs. I find it way easier to not havea dog when I do this. I find dancing way easier without a dog to worry about. If I go someplace and there is a pool (some festivals have pools) it's way easier to swim.
Funny what drives ease of use and enjoyment.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:04 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question

I don't see working with a dog necessitates "putting the dog's needs
first."  I see it as fitting the dog's needs in with my own, and making
sure the dog's needs are met.  Last night I went out after work.  I
relieved the dog, and fed him early, as I wouldn't be free anywhere near
his usual time. That's all.
In my wild youth, I fed the dog sometimes in a parking lot, or a public
restroom.  Once or twice, when I was on a trip that lasted longer than
planned, I fed the dog a plain burger, or a bagel, something like that.
Not the best, but it worked.
I've known dogs who adapted to owners who slept late and stayed up late.
Not a problem.
My college dog went to more than one outdoor music festival--many in fact,
as I was playing with the bagpipe band, and we travelled around to several
competitions.  I just made sure the dog got some cool water regularly, and
found us a shady spot when I could.  She was fine.
One has to make room for the dog's needs, and take them into
consideration, but that doesn't mean one has to live a restricted life.
JMO.
Tracy

>       Mark,
> That's fine.
> I was ojecting more to the usage of the term "responsibility" as in "If
> you are responsible enough you will put the dog's needs first".
> To me, it is implying that if you decide you don't want to put the dog's
> needs first, you are not responsible. This is not a true statement, nor is
> it fair or kind. You can have the morlas of a saint and be very
> responsible, and still feel that no, you do not want to put the dog's
> needs first.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:14 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>
> Rebecca, Julie and all
>
>
>
> I believe that keeping the dog's needs ahead of my own is a small Pryce to
> pay for the benefits of using a guyed dog. As I said in a previous post,
> the
> question is not if, but when is the best time. So, I am weighing the
> merits
> of getting the guyed dog before, during or after freshmen year. Thanks for
> all your advice.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>
>
>> Julie, I agree with you on the parties.
>> And, I'm also not so sure that "responsible" is the right term. The
>> question is "Do you want to keep the dog's needs ahead of yours"
>> Cutting loose with or without "craziness" however you define it is
>> wonderful for your mental health. It can be great to just be with good
>> friends and talk and just be without needing to think "The dog needs to
>> go
>> out" or worry where you place food because the dog might get it.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie J
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:29 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>>
>> But...how can you truly have the college experience without just a few
>> parties? *big smile*
>>
>> really, you sound all responsible and stuff.  I wish I had been that
>> together when I started college.
>>
>> I think a dog requires a decent level of responsibility.  If the person
>> is
>> responsible enough to keep the dog's needs in mind no matter what the
>> situation, then I think it can work.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 3:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>>
>>
>>> Good news is I am not much of a party person. In fact, I can't stand
>>> crazy
>>> parties with all the noise and crowds. I am also 19 so a bit older than
>>> you were when you started college for the first time. I am an early
>>> riser
>>> anyway, so the taking the dog out in the morning won't be a problem. I
>>> am
>>> normally up at 6:00 except those days when it is noon. Lol. But those
>>> are
>>> not often.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 10:07 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mark,
>>>>
>>>> I never had a guide dog at college.  The first time I went to college
>>>> I
>>>> was 17 and just out of high school.  I enjoyed staying up late,
>>>> sleeping
>>>> even later, staying with different friends and their parents on the
>>>> weekends, going to parties and generally enjoying myself.  Having a
>>>> new
>>>> dog in that situation would have been a disaster.  I had no regular
>>>> schedule, only stayed at my dorm room weekdays, was constantly running
>>>> around visiting new places and new people.
>>>>
>>>> Then several years later I went back to college.  By then I was
>>>> married
>>>> and had Kiddo.  I could have easily fit a guide into life then.  I
>>>> lived
>>>> in an apartment, had a regular routine,  and was much more settled. I
>>>> actually had three pet dogs then.
>>>>
>>>> At both colleges I attended there were other students that had guide
>>>> dogs. One was a younger student with questionable orientation skills.
>>>> the other was an older gentleman who had good skills.  Both seemed to
>>>> be
>>>> successful with their dogs at college.  I think the difference was in
>>>> their willingness to put the dog before parties and other random
>>>> college
>>>> craziness.
>>>>
>>>> It's all you though.  Best of luck in whatever you decide!
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 8:17 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all the responses thus far. They are providing food for
>>>>> thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>> Kramc11 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 8:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>> How do you feel on this subject and why do you feel a given way?
>>>>>> I got my first dog shortly after high school. She started college
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> me and completed it with me too.
>>>>>> Looking back, I don't know that it was the right call.
>>>>>> I had a few friends that could not adjust to me having a dog.
>>>>>> Irronically, now that I am no longer using a dog, these people are
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> in my life. One friend and I had the breakup from hell. The dog was
>>>>>> only part of the reason why. We are friends again and looking back,
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> sorry for all the time we lost. I have missed him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My rationale for getting my dog when I did was that everybody I met
>>>>>> would know me as having a dog and could either accept or reject the
>>>>>> package.
>>>>>> Looking back, I'm not sure this is logical. We all change over time
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> friendships change over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd almost urge you to wait, but this is only because of my
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>> Interestingly enough, I met my husband when I had a guide dog. He
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> really a dog person and we still got together. So if you're not
>>>>>> sure,
>>>>>> I'd wait.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:32 AM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Quick Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I applaud
>>>>>> your maturity, your willingness to seek feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an incoming freshman you will incur many new responsibilities.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>> of work to be a college student. It's work whether you are blind or
>>>>>> sighted.
>>>>>> The fact of the matter, it's even more work when you are blind. Keep
>>>>>> this in
>>>>>> mind as you weigh your options.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think back to when I was a freshman, back in the 80s.  I think I
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have handled caring for my guide dog. What I likely would have had
>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>> with is not letting my dog become everyone's toy. I think I would
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> difficulties living in a dorm and setting boundaries with room
>>>>>> mates.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a lot of us on this list who want to see you be successful
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> student as well as being a guide dog handler. Both are huge jobs
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> determination, consistency and some tenacity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Quick Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all. This is Mark with a quick question. Feel free to respond
>>>>>>> either on
>>>>>>> or off list. I will be attending college at Suffolk University as a
>>>>>>> freshman in Boston this September. I have been accepted to attend
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Seeing Eye July class. My question is, should I get a dog now, or
>>>>>>> should I
>>>>>>> defer it for a year and go to the training the summer before soft
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> year. I can see the merits of both, and just curious as to your
>>>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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