[nagdu] hotels

d m gina dmgina at samobile.net
Fri Apr 29 00:23:11 UTC 2011 

Those are the ones you pray for, before you spank them giggle.
Just teasing on the spanking.
But I have smacked persons with the leash before when they had no 
respect for me.
Trust me, they never wanted to touch the dog again.
That leash stings.

Original message:
> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One lady, whom
> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She doesn't
> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking.  When I
> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.

> Julie




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if talking to
>> them again would help,
>> Dar

>> Sent from my iPhone

>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same entity.  I
>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that sense,
>>> I do work with them.

>>> Julie


>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar

>>>> Sent from my iPhone

>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:

>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the
>>>>> messages.

>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in
>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is unacceptable.  I
>>>>> will be addressing the issue.

>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in dealing
>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no problem
>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I went
>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people attending
>>>>> the conference.

>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for quite a
>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange
>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and took
>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with everything.  He
>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He relieved
>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in the
>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!

>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has helped me
>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk to
>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.

>>>>> Julie



>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, they
>>>>>> have liability.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>> Parker,

>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including
>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need to
>>>>>> single
>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a disability.

>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation though?
>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.

>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,

>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity, or
>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))

>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because the
>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person doesn't
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.



>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,

>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala





>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were a
>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In your
>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that has
>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there are
>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your
>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.

>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for
>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the
>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a
>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>> safety office.

>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of
>>>>>>>> this.

>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels

>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that training
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> going to.

>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for through a
>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or reimbursing
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I
>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of
>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>> Monty.

>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill to
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You know
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide
>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me.
>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>> just AARGH!

>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog.  Yeah,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first floor,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*

>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to explain to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info was
>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up for
>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>> and my rights.

>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.

>>>>>>>> Julie
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