[nagdu] hotels

Lisa Irving lirving1234 at cox.net
Sat Apr 30 01:02:49 UTC 2011 

Hmm, you take things to a level I hadn't considered. Go girl! If my life 
isn't in danger or there's no serious threat to my dog's safety or to mine, 
I'll stick to the sharp nudging of the invader's hand.  I guess, do what 
works.

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels


> Oh I don't ever worry about my actions, I just do them, and that again was 
> years ago.
> Trust me I would do it again if I had to.
> You truly have to get me to go that far.
> I had a stalker in Denver who I slapped with the leash when he wanted to 
> get my fanny pack.
> He also left me alone.
> I still have the paper work that says smile,
> You need to be one ball park away from this lady.
> So it didn't matter to me if he called the police.
> I got this paper work from the court system and I will always keep it just 
> encase I get to Denver and need to use it.
> Oh yes this lady me of course, had a guy in a wheel chair who wanted to 
> chase the dog.
> So I solved that problem lifting the guy out of his chair and sitting him 
> on the walk, leaving him there, to figure out how he was going to get up.
> Trust me he didn't bother us any more.
> Even our manager was shocked I would do this, and when he saw what the guy 
> was doing, he said, that was polite for me to show him, that we are all 
> disabled, and need to respect what we do to get around,
> For the blind it is using a dog or cane, and we respect the folks who are 
> in wheel chairs.
> /The office watched me to make sure that I didn't cause trouble for the 
> folks in wheel chairs, and they soon learned we just lived with them and 
> wanted to go on our own way.
>
> Original message:
>> Careful with the leash. Sincerely, it can be construed as assault.  a 
>> Sharp
>> nudging of the invader's hand will produce similar results too.
>
>> Lisa and Bernie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "d m gina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>> Those are the ones you pray for, before you spank them giggle.
>>> Just teasing on the spanking.
>>> But I have smacked persons with the leash before when they had no 
>>> respect
>>> for me.
>>> Trust me, they never wanted to touch the dog again.
>>> That leash stings.
>
>>> Original message:
>>>> Maybe, but sometimes I wonder at the density of some people.  One lady,
>>>> whom
>>>> I have never met and still have no idea who she is, came up to me
>>>> immediately after a two hour session on respecting difference.  She
>>>> doesn't
>>>> say hello or anything, just wants to know my dog's name in a pretty
>>>> demanding tone.  then she proceeds to pet before actually asking.  When 
>>>> I
>>>> told her that she couldn't pet him, she walked off in a huff.
>
>>>> Julie
>
>
>
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>> Then they don't know you at all for there actions, I wonder if talking
>>>>> to
>>>>> them again would help,
>>>>> Dar
>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> They are not co-workers as in we are both employed by the same 
>>>>>> entity.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am involved in some of the same projects as some of them.  In that
>>>>>> sense,
>>>>>> I do work with them.
>
>>>>>> Julie
>
>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmgina" <dmgina at samobile.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:06 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>>>> Are these the folks you work with. I hope not. Dar
>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 11:35 AM, "Julie J" <julielj at neb.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Well, I got back yesterday and have been catching up with all the
>>>>>>>> messages.
>
>>>>>>>> I will say with absolute certainty that letting the hotel know in
>>>>>>>> advance of my arrival that I'm blind and have a dog is 
>>>>>>>> unacceptable.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> will be addressing the issue.
>
>>>>>>>> The whole two days was pretty much  a test of my patience in 
>>>>>>>> dealing
>>>>>>>> with overhelpful people.  Interestingly I had absolutely no problem
>>>>>>>> with hotel staff, restaurant employees or in any of the shops I 
>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>> into in the evening.  All my frustration was with the people
>>>>>>>> attending
>>>>>>>> the conference.
>
>>>>>>>> Monty was absolutely amazing!  We hadn't stayed in a hotel for 
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few months.  Last time he was a bit anxious about all the strange
>>>>>>>> noises and unfamiliar doings.  He wouldn't play with his toys and
>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>> forever to relieve.  this time he was very content with everything.
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>> settled easily under the table during the long meetings.  He 
>>>>>>>> relieved
>>>>>>>> superfast, which I appreciate immensely.  He played with toys in 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> hotel room. His guiding was spot on!
>
>>>>>>>> Thanks to everyone for you thoughts on my situation.  It has helped
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> quite a bit in figuring out what exactly I want to say when I talk 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the lady that made my reservations.
>
>>>>>>>> Julie
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>>>>>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, 
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> have liability.
>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>>>>>>>>> Parker,
>
>>>>>>>>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including
>>>>>>>>> doormies
>>>>>>>>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a 
>>>>>>>>> disability.
>
>>>>>>>>> Lisa and Bernie
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation 
>>>>>>>>>> though?
>>>>>>>>>> Some of
>>>>>>>>>> those kids start before age 18.
>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>>>>>>>>>>  "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is
>>>>>>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>>>>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
>
>>>>>>>>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity,
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))
>
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> entity
>>>>>>>>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> Fraternally yours,
>
>>>>>>>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owens, Parker"
>>>>>>>>>> <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In 
>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> case,
>>>>>>>>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there 
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your
>>>>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for
>>>>>>>>>>> emergency
>>>>>>>>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the
>>>>>>>>>>> location
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a
>>>>>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>>>>>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the
>>>>>>>>>>> university
>>>>>>>>>>> safety office.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of
>>>>>>>>>>> this.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>> Of Julie J
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels
>
>>>>>>>>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that
>>>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> going to.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for 
>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> grant
>>>>>>>>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or 
>>>>>>>>>>> reimbursing
>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I
>>>>>>>>>>> attend
>>>>>>>>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of
>>>>>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>>>>>> Monty.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill 
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide
>>>>>>>>>>> dog, but
>>>>>>>>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me.
>>>>>>>>>>> AARGH!
>>>>>>>>>>> just AARGH!
>
>>>>>>>>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah,
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first 
>>>>>>>>>>> floor,
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*
>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to 
>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>> and my rights.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
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