[nagdu] nagdu using 911 for access denial?

GARY STEEVES rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca
Thu Aug 11 16:52:10 UTC 2011 

Hi Buddy:

Of course it is an unpopulare opinion which you are totally entitled to have . However, what we are talking about is equitable access to information. A sightred person has so many ways of finding an address or phone number. They might have the flyer from the mail, see the billboard, be reading the newspaper, using their phone, using the phone book, and the list goes on. As a person who is blind, at any particular time I may not have adccess to many, or any, of the same tools.  I do not have a data plan and even if I did on my pda phone it would not be so simple to get the internet up and running and then do the search and get the results.

So you may think it is not a required service but I disagree and believe that equitable access to information is always needed and we shouldn't ever make the assumption that everyone is able to use, can afford, or has the same level of technology as you or I might.

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu  using 911 for access denial?
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> What's wrong with unfair and unequal service? Everything has a 
> cost. See/ I told you it was an unpopular opinion.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 11, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Dan Weiner wrote:
> 
> > What the heck is wrong with unfair and unequal service, it's 
> nice for once
> > that blindness would count in our favor rather than against us.
> > Well, if you like spending $1.25 be my guest.
> > 
> > Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Buddy Brannan
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:04 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu using 911 for access denial?
> > 
> > Hi Gary,
> > 
> > Undoubtedly, this is an unpopular and minority opinion, but I 
> don't believe
> > we are entitled to free directory assistance on our 
> cellphones, nor should
> > we ask for it. Here's my reasoning. 
> > 
> > Originally, the free directory assistance was set up by the 
> phone companies
> > as an equivalent service. Since we can't read the telephone 
> directory,> provided by the telephone company, we would be given 
> a service equivalent to
> > the free telephone directory; namely, the ability to call directory
> > assistance to ask for the number which we cannot look up 
> ourselves. 
> > 
> > Since no cell phone company gives out telephone directories as 
> part of that
> > phone service, what we would begetting by asking for free directory
> > assistance is not an equivalent service to replace one we 
> cannot access, but
> > an unfair and unequal benefit that is not available to the 
> general public.
> > We are not, in fact, asking for an equivalent service to level 
> the playing
> > field, as it were, but for a special benefit. What 
> justification do we have
> > for needing such a benefit? OK, there are still telephone 
> directories we
> > can't read, but why is that the phone company's problem? 
> Especially in light
> > of tools available to all, such as online telephone 
> directories? Why should
> > the phone company absorb this cost, small as it may be, on our 
> behalf? Do we
> > want equality, or do we want special treatment? I would 
> suggest that we
> > shouldn't ask for special treatment where such treatment is 
> not warranted,
> > unless we are prepared to not be afforded equal and first-
> class citizenship.
> > 
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Aug 10, 2011, at 6:15 PM, GARY STEEVES wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello everyone:
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure if you are able to do this in the united states 
> but in 
> >> canada I have talked with my cell phone provider, explaining 
> that I am 
> >> visually impaired and unable to access normal directories. I 
> have been 
> >> able to get them to provide free 411 (information) on my cell 
> phone. 
> >> It is charged and then refunded in typical cell phone billing 
> >> confusion. :) I'm pretty sure that I've heard on other 
> technology 
> >> lists I have been on that cell phone providers in the states 
> would do 
> >> this as well. Regardless though, it is a good practice to 
> have the 
> >> non-emergency police number in your phones contacts. (I need 
> to do 
> >> this myself)
> >> 
> >> Gary
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire 
> <orleans24 at comcast.net>>> Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 
> 2:44 pm
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu  using 911 for access denial?
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog Users" 
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> 
> >>> Hi, Marion,
> >>> Excellent and great suggestion.
> >>> I've used directory assistance on my cel phone before which 
> did help.
> >>> As for the price of directory assistance, it actually went 
> up to 
> >>> $1.50 here in Colorado.
> >>> am not sure about it in other states here in the U.S.
> >>> I have my local Fire Department, Paramedic and Police 
> Departments 
> >>> programmed into my contacts on my cel phone.
> >>> If I remember correctly but probably don't 9 1 1 is also 
> programmed 
> >>> to where I just speed dial by pressing the 9key and holding 
> it down 
> >>> to where I'll automatically get connected.
> >>> Toll free numbers are great for organizations as it does 
> help cut 
> >>> down on long-distance charges.
> >>> Bibi and retired Odie
> >>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
> >>> because he behaves like a wolf at times
> >>> 
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