[nagdu] Doctor bars guide dogfrom waiting room - phillyBurbs.com

[Dan Weiner]

Or you could say "mom needs something for her child, this doctor is
preventing it from happening, not the dog"--smile.

Dan

 

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 3:40 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dogfrom waiting room -
phillyBurbs.com

Thank you Lynn. 
Marion, to answer your question, I never encountered a situation like the
article that started the thread. 
I do know what I'd do in such a situation especially if my child was
involved. I think, especially for moms, this is a primal thing "My child
needs something, and this dog is keeping me from obtaining that" 

I also think that men view this issue very differently at least on a gut
level. 

I'll go a step further and say that men want the problem fixed, women are
the healers

It's a different mindset as well as a different implementation.


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lyn Gwizdak
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:06 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dogfrom waiting room -
phillyBurbs.com

Exactly.  And sometimes a person on list may have had to stop using dogs for
whatever reason.

Dog user or not, I enjoy your participation anyway!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dogfrom waiting room -
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> Excuse me but I am amazed that anyone on this list would have an 
> attitude of exclusion.  People who do not use guide dogs are very 
> supportive of us and are helpful and there are people who do not use 
> guide dogs who might want information to at least consider if they want a
guide dog.
>
> Please, let's be an inclusive list and not an excluding one.
>
> margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GARY STEEVES" <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dog from waiting room - 
> phillyBurbs.com
>
>
>>
>> This one is a bit silly. Of course people can be on here who don't 
>> have dogs. How would people be able to gather information before 
>> deciding if they should get a dog. I know, before I got Bogart, the 
>> list was a great resource to answer question, be them silly or not, 
>> and certainly helped me be prepared for school when I got there.
>>
>> Sometimes I'm a little amazed at the closed attitudes of folks, be it 
>> here or anywhere else for that matter.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: d m gina <dmgina at samobile.net>
>> Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:57 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dog from waiting room - 
>> phillyBurbs.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>> Since you don't have a dog and wish not to get one from this 
>>> message, why are you here on this list?
>>> I understand the stand you took and yes you did the correct thing, 
>>> still want to know why you are on the list.
>>> Is this list now open to anyone who wishes to come?
>>> If so I understand, if not, then what is going to happen to Rebecca, 
>>> would she pleased be asked to be removed?
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Original message:
>>> > You know, this is part of why I don't have a dog.
>>> > My daughter had a sore throat that was impacting her ability
>>> to eat. It
>>> > is called kissing tonsels and she needed to be seen right now.
>>> > I am glad I didn't have a dog to deal with.
>>> > It's fine to say "I'll see somebody else" but what do you do
>>> when you
>>> > or your child needs to see somebody right now.
>>> > My little girl was so sick and so hungry. It was horrible. She
>>> was
>>> > hungry but couldn't swallow food and she had a high fever.
>>> Truly awful to see.
>>> > How as a mom (or dad) would you feel if a doctor gave you that crap?
>>> > My daughter was a toddler at the time. There's no way I could
>>> have just
>>> > said "Okay sweetie, go on in there and I'll chill out here"
>>>
>>> > Have other parents been in that situation? What have they done
>>> about it?
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> > Behalf Of Sherry Gomes
>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:56 PM
>>> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dog from waiting room 
>>> - phillyBurbs.com
>>>
>>> > I had an opposite experience with a doctor of mine once, a
>>> very
>>> > positive experience.  when I lived in san Diego, I had an
>>> orthopedic
>>> > surgeon for my joint replacement surgeries.  He was
>>> really good and
>>> > always seemed happy to see my then golden retriever guide
>>> dog.  one
>>> > day, before I went to the back office for the appointment, the
>>> front
>>> > office staff took me aside, and told me privately that the
>>> doctor had
>>> > terrible dog allergies.  They said he loved dogs and
>>> never wanted to
>>> > tell me about the allergies, so they never had.  but this
>>> particular
>>> > day he was having trouble in general.  They asked if I
>>> would mind
>>> > leaving her with my friend in the waiting room for this one
>>> time.  I
>>> > didn't mind, actually, and I had my appointment.  The doc
>>> asked where
>>> > my dog was, and I explained.  He thanked me.  But
>>> the next appointment,
>>> > my dog went into his office with me, as she always had done
>>> before.  It
>>> > was only the one time they asked me to let my friend hold her,
>>> and they
>>> > wouldn't have argued if I'd insisted on taking her in with me.
>>>
>>> > On the other hand, if I went to a doctor's office that refused
>>> to see
>>> > me or my partner or spouse or child or whatever, cart blanche,
>>> because
>>> > of my dog, I would find a different doctor and be filing complaints.
>>>
>>> > Sherry
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
>>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> > Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:46 PM
>>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>> > Users
>>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dog from waiting room -
>>> phillyBurbs.com
>>> > This was also posted on my guide dog school alumni list.
>>>
>>> > I think it is appalling how this all turned out.
>>>
>>> > Whether there were other patients or not I go to my doctors
>>> office
>>> > probably more then others, I see at least 4 doctors a few
>>> times a year,
>>> > and some are smaller than other ones. I only had to put my
>>> foot down
>>> > once as well, he was from another country, but my doctor
>>> recommended
>>> > him, and was in the building right next door.
>>>
>>> > The Staff where he worked which was part of Stony Brook
>>> University
>>> > Hospital Clinics here on Long Island.  They I had a right
>>> to be there,
>>> > the dog had a right to be there. He said well he can't see me
>>> then, I
>>> > said fine, I will just go next door to the Head of the
>>> Transplant
>>> > Department, and tell him he wouldn't see me because I have a
>>> guide dog.
>>>
>>> > Let's just say, we found me another doctor in the same office
>>> to see
>>> > me, and that doctor has moved on.
>>>
>>> > Not much they can do. Yes they do.  They also have to
>>> determine if that
>>> > is the kind of doctor they want to deal with as well.
>>>
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>>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>>> >   From: Ginger Kutsch<mailto:GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>>> >   To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>> Guide Dog
>>> > Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> >   Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:38 PM
>>> >   Subject: [nagdu] Doctor bars guide dog from
>>> waiting room - phillyBurbs.com
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Doctor bars guide dog from waiting room -
>>> phillyBurbs.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/courier_times_news/breaking_ne
>>> ws/doctor-bars-guide-dog-from-waiting-room/article_2bb1009f-5a51-535
>>> 0-bb2f-6783c4767b5a.html<http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/couri
>>> er_times_news/breaking_news/doctor-bars-guide-dog-from-waiting-room/
>>> article_2bb1009f-5a51-5350-bb2f-6783c4767b5a.html>
>>>
>>> >   Doctor bars guide dog from waiting room
>>>
>>> >   By Christian Menno
>>>
>>> >   Staff writer
>>>
>>> >   Thursday, August 11, 2011
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   ?A guide dog for a visually impaired Bensalem man
>>> was kicked out of a
>>> > local doctor s office, but the doctor said she had the right
>>> to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   But, according to a lawyer and advocate for the
>>> disabled, the Lower
>>> > Southampton doctor s actions violated the Americans with
>>> Disabilities Act.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >    You cannot exclude service animals except in very
>>> specific
>>> > situations,  said Rocco Iaculla, an attorney with the
>>> Disability Rights
>>> > Network of Pennsylvania.  Unless the animal is out of control
>>> or not
>>> > housebroken or someone nearby has a severe allergic reaction,
>>> you must
>>> > permit them in any area that the public is permitted. It has
>>> to be more
>>> > than someone feeling uncomfortable with an animal present. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Dr. Priya Punjabi argues that it is her right to
>>> determine who enters
>>> > the property and that a large animal could scare or upset her
>>> patients.
>>>
>>>
>>> >   On Aug. 4, Joseph Cichonski accompanied his wife,
>>> who was scheduled
>>> > to receive a physical, to Punjabi s office at 1629 Bridgetown Pike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   As he does whenever he leaves his home, Cichonski,
>>> 58, brought his
>>> > guide dog Hero, a Labrador-golden retriever mix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Cichonski said Hero was lying calmly at his feet
>>> in the waiting room
>>> > and Cichonski s wife was waiting to be treated in the
>>> examination room
>>> > when the doctor approached him, saying that pets weren t
>>> allowed in the
>>> > office and telling him that he had to wait outside.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >    I told her that it s not a pet, it s a guide dog,
>>> but she still said
>>> > I couldn t have him in there,  Cichonski told the newspaper.
>>>  How many
>>> > pets do you know that can be declared on your federal income
>>> tax forms? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Cichonski, who said he sees only a little light
>>> and shadows, said he
>>> > then stepped outside the office because he didn t want to
>>> cause a
>>> > scene, but not before informing the staff that he was calling
>>> the
>>> > police to file a complaint.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >    I could have just sat in that chair until the
>>> police arrived,  he added.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   He said his wife was told she wouldn t be treated
>>> while the dog was
>>> > in the office. So she left, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Cpl. Michael Wojnar of the Lower Southampton
>>> Police Department
>>> > arrived and went inside to speak with Punjabi, Cichonski said.
>>> He said
>>> > the officer was friendly and helpful and told him that a
>>> report would be filed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   On Wednesday, Wojnar said that a complaint had
>>> indeed been filed. He
>>> > added that if the newspaper wants to see the report, a right-
>>> to-know
>>> > request must be completed because the matter is civil, not criminal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Punjabi told the newspaper that the dog had
>>> occupied a large portion
>>> > of the floor space in the small waiting room. The room holds
>>> just seven
>>> > chairs for patients, she said.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   While no other patients were there at the time,
>>> she said that two
>>> > walked into the waiting room just as the situation with
>>> Cichonski was
>>> > unfolding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Punjabi said that a Bensalem woman who arrived
>>> later that morning to
>>> > accompany her 90-year-old mother for an appointment heard the
>>> story and
>>> > agreed with the doctor s decision. Punjabi said she asked that
>>> woman to
>>> > put her feelings in writing and provided the newspaper with a
>>> copy of
>>> > the letter Tuesday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   The woman, who asked that her name not be
>>> published, said that while
>>> > she loves dogs and respects all disabled people, she would not
>>> have
>>> > felt comfortable having the dog in the room with her mother.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >    My mother has liquid bones and is very frail, 
>>> she added.  I would
>>> > have been afraid the dog might have bumped into her, causing
>>> even more
>>> > injuries. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Punjabi, who said she is afraid of dogs, added
>>> that her request was polite.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >    We simply asked him to step outside,  she said.
>>>  I have my rights
>>> > and my phobias, too. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Iaculla said that Cichonski handled things
>>> correctly by staying calm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >    Unfortunately, there s not much you can do in a
>>> situation like
>>> > that,  he added.  I d recommend contacting an organization
>>> (like the
>>> > Disability Rights Network). Hopefully, the agency can contact
>>> the
>>> > doctor s office and try to get a dialogue going to explain the
>>> laws and
>>> > how to handle a similar matter in the future. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >   Cichonski said Wednesday that he s exploring his
>>> options.
>>>
>>>
>>> >    I m not trying to cause a fuss,  he added.  I
>>> just want to let
>>> > people know that things like this are happening and I d like
>>> to prevent
>>> > them from happening to other people with disabilities. 
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