[nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs

[Dan Weiner]

Hello, Maria.

I have seen you on several lists over the years, glad to know you're doing
well and you finished your thesis.

I am Dan Weiner from the USA.

Now, everyone, remember that all of us with dogs seem to think we know
everything--smile--actually I'm saying that to preface my thoughts on dogs
and canes.
Under the influence of some training manuals I read when I first got my dog,
I tried the European method of using a dog with a short cane in the right
hand.
I found that it confused me a great deal, even though the cane's primary
purpose in that setting is to use to probe for steps and curbs and to be a
signal for drivers.

I find I need my right hand free, and also if you hold a cane there is a
tendency to use it for feedback and either I've found you walk and use the
dog's guiding or you use the tactile feedback of a cane.

But of course, the training method of wherever you are trained is what you
might feel the most comfortable with.

Here in the US none of our training programs encourage you constantly to
hold a cane in the right hand though you may take your cane out and use it
for certain things, finding something, following a side of a road, hitting
someone you don't like--smile--etc.


Dan the man, Carter the nut



-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mária Orovcíková
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:21 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs

Hi to all,
I am not sure if you remember me, but some of you might do as I have posted
a message asking for help with a guide dog command which I needed for my
thesys at that time. But it was quite a while ago (sometime last year or a
bit more).
I am very sorry I haven't posted since, but I have been busy with school
things . I've been still reading the list and I find it very useful.
Before I write something about myself for those who don't know me yet, I
would like to thank all of you for great help I got from you last year.
So my name is Maria. I live in Slovakia (Central Europe). I have graduated
from university last month. My major was English and special education for
blind and visually impaired. I got a master degree.
I have a guide dog, her name is demi and she is a black labrador. We have
been together for seven years. She does not help me only in guiding and
orientation, but as I have a mild cerebral palsy and have balance problem
sometimes, she is great helper in this case as well.
I have something to comment on Tatiana's post.
So Tatiana, if you do not mind me asking, where are you from?
This question just came on my mind as I have read your question about using
a cane with a guide dog at the same time.
Here in my country, guide dog handlers are trained to use a guide dog and a
cane together. It is not a regular cane, but just a short folding signalling
cane like Larry has mentioned.
As far as I know, they train dogs that way in some other countries like
Czech Republic for example.
If you have more questions regarding training guide dogs or anything, feel
free to ask.
With regards
Maria

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:48 AM
Subject: [nagdu] Canes With Dogs


> The only thing I've seen is people with the short walking cane with dogs. 
> Tatyana, I see no need to use both at the same time although I keep a cane

> in my backpack.  In case I want to run to the bathroom when Holly is on a 
> tiedown at the bowling ally or some such thing.
> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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