[nagdu] Guide Dogs at School

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Thu Dec 8 13:30:43 UTC 2011 

Yeah, but at the end of that last message indications were that ADA covers some shelters and educational housing, didn't it?

Cindy

On Dec 8, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> I am not 100% certain here, but in my past ADA and other civil rights
> trainings, somewhere in the back of my mind I recall that resident housing
> is considered transient lodging and therefore not covered under the Fair
> Housing Amendments Act.  I would consult with your DBTAC to verify this;
> 1-800-949-4232.  The best to you,
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mark J. Cadigan
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:21 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs at School
> 
> We all collectively know it is BS, and proceed anyway, that is in my opinion
> 
> the definition of insanity, however it will keep me from getting harassed by
> 
> the SUPD. The school's legal department says it is legal, so that is what 
> the police department goes with. If you can get me some documentation 
> demonstrating what we all know that it is a violation, I can see it gets to 
> people with the power to change this rule, but until then, it's something we
> 
> just have to deal with.
> 
> 
> 
> Sometimes, you got to do what makes your life easier, and let someone else 
> fight the battles. Someone with the time and qualifications to do it 
> properly.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs at School
> 
> 
>> Mark,
>>   Sometime doing something in the interest of harmony creates bigger 
>> issues in the long run. For instance, If we present documentation to a 
>> restaurant manager who requests it from us, what would happen if someone 
>> else, either not possessing the documentation or unwilling to compromise 
>> their civil rights, refuses to do so? The end result would be 
>> discrimination, so harmony has not been created. I believe the best option
> 
>> is to educate them on the law, not placate their violation of our civil 
>> rights. JMHO!
>> 
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs at School
>> 
>> 
>>> So far, I am not having any problems.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I provided them with the documentation requested in the interest of 
>>> harmony and good working relations. Even though we all know, including 
>>> the office, that it is not worth the paper it is printed on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dogs at School
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Mark,
>>>>   There are parts of this policy that seem to be noncompliant with the 
>>>> ADA, such as the requirement to present documentation and notify the 
>>>> police department. We are working with a DOJ attorney in the Office of 
>>>> Civil Rights Education Sector to get better guidance on this issue. It 
>>>> seems as if there has been some misinformation disseminated to some 
>>>> educational institutions that is causing some challenges here.
>>>>   As for housing, the Fair Housing Act is the law in effect for campus 
>>>> housing. If you have any challenges, please feel free to get in touch 
>>>> with me.
>>>> 
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:36 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Guide Dogs at School
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Due to the recent discussion about reasonable accommodations I thought 
>>>>> I would ask the list's thoughts on a recent discussion I have just had 
>>>>> with my schools ODS office.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Although I haven't posted on this list in a long time, as many of you 
>>>>> may know, I was considering getting a guyed dog. Well, I have finely 
>>>>> been accepted, and I will be receiving a dog from Fidelco on January 3.
> 
>>>>> Because I live in the dorms on campus, I informed the Suffolk ODS 
>>>>> office about my getting a guide dog. And, hear is a few excerpts from 
>>>>> there service dog policy. For the entire policy you can visit 
>>>>> http://www.suffolk.edu/studenthandbooks/47571.html.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Requirements of Service Animals and Their Partners
>>>>> 
>>>>> Training: To be present on campus, a service animal must be 
>>>>> specifically trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an 
>>>>> individual with a disability.(no problem so far) Evidence of successful
> 
>>>>> completion of a recognized licensing or certification program for 
>>>>> service animals, or a letter documenting the training, is required. 
>>>>> (What does that mean?) A copy of the proof of certification should be 
>>>>> filed with the Disability Services Office (for CAS and SBS students), 
>>>>> the Dean of Students Office (for Law Students) or Human Resources 
>>>>> Office (for faculty/staff/administrators). Visitors or guests may be 
>>>>> required to provide documentation to the Suffolk University Police 
>>>>> Department.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not a lawyer, but does that line up with the ADA?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Note - Suffolk University will consider, on a case-by-case basis, 
>>>>> requests by students who reside in residence halls for a service 
>>>>> animal, including a dog or other animal, to reside in the residence 
>>>>> hall. Please direct such requests to the Office of Disability Services 
>>>>> at least 30 days prior to the date the animal is expected to be in 
>>>>> residence.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This sounds like they want the authority to refuse acksess to some 
>>>>> service animals that don't meet with the ODS stamp of approval.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a different note, is on campus housing at a college covered under 
>>>>> the ADA, or the fare housing acksess act, or some other law I don't 
>>>>> know about?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>> Electrical Engineering Department
>>>>> Suffolk University
>>>>> kramc11 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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