[nagdu] things that go bump in the night

Tami Kinney tamara.8024 at comcast.net
Sat Dec 24 20:20:45 UTC 2011 

Doug,

Oh, I love having options! And off the shelf common market options at 
that! Who'da thunk? /smile/ I set back my iPhone plan a couple of months 
ago to acquire a braille display, but... Already I will now need to 
compare the iPhone to the Android to make the best choice... Way cool!

I see some use of social media being used to let the world see that some 
business owner or employee refused access an to capture the words and 
attitudes that go along with it. While the person being so treated 
remains calm and courteous and informative about the law that is being 
broken. Whether these gems can be used in court or not, I have no idea. 
I suspect that no one else does either, including the courts. /smile/ 
It's such a new thing, after all, when it comes to disability law... Or 
am I being cynical there? I just can't imagine that ther is a whole lot 
of precedent yet, although I hear of cases filed or pending where 
video/audio evidence exists to cut to the chase in the he said/she said 
aspect of an allegation. In other areas of law, it appears, such 
evidence can be used in court. I just dunno. While I wouldn't want to go 
out of my way to find out, if I happen to get that glorious opportunity, 
I would rather have the caught on tape thing working for me. /grin/

Vive le progress!

Tami

On 12/24/2011 12:55 AM, Doug Parisian wrote:
> Tami, take heart; the same and even more powerful vocal feedback
> applications to assist visually impaired persons correctly focus and
> take pictures are being developed under android. I think we're on the
> cusp of affordable technologies in an easily manageable package which
> will help with many tasks in addition to pictures--orientation, way
> finding, reading and accessing information, identifying colours, reading
> bar codes, etc. Who'd have thunkit it? And, ever under-estimate the
> power and yes, even curative effects of social media. "hey Frank, that
> sure looks like you who damn near ran over that ugly blind guy with the
> beautiful dog." Imagine poor frank hearing that similar comment through
> his day, not to mention the silent wink wink nudge nudges of total
> strangers. And, it does happen for less constructive reasons. I'm really
> surprised that more blind folks with this technology already available
> to them haven't made use of their tools in this way.
>
> Doug: The face that sunk a thousand ships.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] things that go bump in the night
>
>
>> Ah, the magic iPhone! I, too, am still longing for one, for the same
>> reason. Everyone knows a blind person can't see what's going on. But
>> the camera never lies!
>>
>> Even if the law won't go for it, there's always You Tube and quite a
>> few other nifty forums for photo, video, voice recordings... Vengeance
>> is sweet! /evil laugh/
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 12/23/2011 06:40 AM, Doug Parisian wrote:
>>> With all the talk about killer drivers, real imagined or other, could we
>>> not bring technology to bear to help at least trap some of the
>>> offenders.
>>>
>>> Many cell phones, like some android offerings and the apple IPhone 4GS
>>> actually give audio prompts to help manage the camera. Yup, you guessed
>>> it; a picture is worth a thousand words. Would such photos be allowed as
>>> evidence and a means of catching the offender, let alone possibilities
>>> for use on social media. No damn, I don't have one of those awesome
>>> devices--yet!
>>>
>>> Doug: Hey driver, say cheese!
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione"
>>> <carcione at access.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] things that go bump in the night
>>>
>>>
>>>> If a driver is zooming towards a blind person in the crosswalk, the
>>>> driver
>>>> is breaking the law. The blind person has the right of way. Not that
>>>> that matters to you, if you get hit by some jackass. I was sure
>>>> surprised
>>>> when I read New Jersey's white cane law and saw that drivers are
>>>> supposed
>>>> to yield to me and not enter the crosswalk when I'm in it. It was
>>>> news to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>>> OK, but that is what they are doing. They are not following proper
>>>>> driver
>>>>> etiquette or safety rules. They are not out to get a blind guy. I just
>>>>> think that when we start down that path, we can become too paranoid.
>>>>> There
>>>>> are plenty of other instances where people really don't care if we
>>>>> have
>>>>> our needs met and where they truly think we are incapable and on and
>>>>> on. I
>>>>> certainly am not saying stuff like that doesn't happen; I'm just
>>>>> saying
>>>>> that that is a rather iffy path to take saying they are out to get a
>>>>> blind
>>>>> guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, Cindy, if a car comes roaring out while I am crossing, I
>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>> assume they can see that I'm crossing! Especially when I hear it pull
>>>>>> out of the lot and get into the lane I'm currently occupying! If they
>>>>>> weren't triing to hit me they wer sure not following proper driver
>>>>>> edicate! They should have seen me before they pulled out and for sure
>>>>>> when they started moving down the road! They were also speeding
>>>>>> out of
>>>>>> there!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:19 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] things that go bump in the night
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you guys know that someone tried to hit you on purpose? What
>>>>>>> cues do you have about it? Do they hate dogs? Did you seem to look
>>>>>>> funny to them right then? How do you know these people aren't just
>>>>>>> flakes and that a sighted person equally flaky could have been
>>>>>>> walking
>>>>>>> along and almost gotten hit or, in fact did? As for people trying to
>>>>>>> drag you by the other end of your cane or the harness, that is
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> different. I actually had the harness thing happen to me the other
>>>>>>> night. I am not sure I ever had before. Another woman there was
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> as offended as I was.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds kind of familiar! I've had folks pick my cane up off the
>>>>>>>> ground and try to tug me along, pull my dog and I away from
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> they thaught we'd run into and once even someone who tried to
>>>>>>>> hit me
>>>>>>>> on purpose! Sure keeps you awake and alert!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "harold leigland"
>>>>>>>> <hleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:08 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] things that go bump in the night
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> using a cane or dog has been an adventure for me; when our son
>>>>>>>>> was 4
>>>>>>>>> we were both hit and knocked down by a drunk soldier from the
>>>>>>>>> base in
>>>>>>>>> his suv not seriously injured and saved the 2 12 packs of coke
>>>>>>>>> I had
>>>>>>>>> with us. The other day someone kept trying to back over me and
>>>>>>>>> Sam my
>>>>>>>>> guide dog in our apartment parking lot aint life grand? merry
>>>>>>>>> Christmass and better new year hal
>>>>>>>>>
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