[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Mark J. Cadigan
kramc11 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 25 05:42:24 UTC 2011
Lyn,
Although this is not a political list, and risking running afoul of the
moderators, I'd like to state that as someone with fairely concervitive
leanings, I could not bring myself to vote for Barack Obama. With that being
said, I am not impressed with the other candidates as well.
My parents were around back then, although they were conservative as well.
Instead of joining in the protests, my dad volunteered for the army.
And, to keep this remotely guide dog related, what schools did you receive
your dogs from, and what breeds of dog did you have most success with.
I will be getting a German Shepherd from Fidelco in early January. I don't
yet know anything about this dog, but I will keep the list informed about my
in home placement.
Mark
PS Lyn there is a town named after you. Lol. However, the town of Lynn has
two "N"
Lynn, Lynn, the city of sin, never get out, same as you went in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> Mark, funny thing I've been working on my autobiography all afternoon and
> I just left off writing about my high school years - I was 19 when I
> graduated - in 1970. Wow! you missed the crazy mid to late 1960s. The
> Civil Rights riots, the assassinations of both kennedys and MLK. And also
> the other social change movements like the Womens and Gay movements as
> wwell as the antiwar activity of the Vietnam War. I just HATE the
> conservativism of the Tea Party and the candidates for president. Go with
> BArack! He's the only sane one running so far!
>
> I got my first guide dog in 1973 when I was 22. I've had eight now with
> some not working out for one reason or another. I left Boston in 1988 and
> have been in San Diego ever since.
>
> Sometimes I wish I wwere that young again, but then again, I'm glad that
> I'm not. I had alot of trauma and stress back then and I'm now fairly
> comfortable in all that I know and where my life is at age 61. I have
> several really young friends your age and I enjoy them alot.
>
> Take care and Merry Christmas.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> From my prospective, you are almost old enough to be my grandma lol. Just
>> kidding. I am almost 20, so the math barely works.
>>
>>
>>
>> The T still doesn't run all night; it stops around 12 or so. I don't tend
>> to be out to late unless I have a purpose EG late night pizza, because
>> loitering is never a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't have my dog yet, so it's just me and my cane, but I will have a
>> dog next semester, because I am getting my dog on January 3.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> Hey Mark, who ya callin' old!! LOL!! I'm 61 years young and don't look
>>> too much over 35. But sometimes the body tells me I'm not 35. LOL!
>>> Landon has much more grey hair than I have.
>>>
>>> When I lived in Boston, being out on the streets wasn't a very good
>>> idea - even with a dog. Besides, the T doesn't run all night - or did
>>> they change?
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>entrenched in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes,
>>>> when I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still
>>>> crowded. Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>> early 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah,
>>>>> anyone over at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared
>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded
>>>>> place to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well
>>>>> and sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it
>>>>> is a wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in
>>>>> the mid 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk -
>>>>> or rather it is hard to walk some places because Southern California
>>>>> is so geared to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic
>>>>> transportation.
>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>> for than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest -
>>>>> where there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>> every day!
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under
>>>>>>>> 2 bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
>>>>>>>> Prices around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only
>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>> life, and
>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince
>>>>>>>>> my dad to
>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>> liked what
>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>> cared about
>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky
>>>>>>>>>>> that way. I
>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the
>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>> they like
>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and
>>>>>>>>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation
>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so
>>>>>>>>>>>> I never
>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>> never seen
>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>>> see quite
>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween where I
>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt that
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>> happen because
>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them
>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious and
>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility.
>>>>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd without
>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>> using a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found
>>>>>>>>>>>> it very
>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that
>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do
>>>>>>>>>>>> use my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>less of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>[insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>blind. Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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