[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Larry D. Keeler
lkeeler at comcast.net
Mon Dec 26 02:32:46 UTC 2011
Got oone as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Parisian" <eggmann at shaw.ca>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> Anyone want a copy of the MTA: I have it.
>
> Doug: never off track.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> Has what on your phone? 49 or their age? No way my age is going to be on
>> my phone.
>> Cindy
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, I'm 49 and I'll bet I'm the only one who has it on my phone!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or early
>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone over
>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>
>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared
>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded place
>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is a
>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the mid
>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
>>>> rather it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
>>>> geared to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out for
>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - where
>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown every
>>>>>> day!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under 2
>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day. Prices
>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only
>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire life,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince
>>>>>>>> my dad to
>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks liked
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>> cared about
>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky that
>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the
>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope they
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and
>>>>>>>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation
>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so I
>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>> never seen
>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>> see quite
>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and
>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and my
>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt that
>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>> that it was
>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can happen
>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them
>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>> cautious and
>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made a
>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the crowd
>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>> using a
>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found
>>>>>>>>>>> it very
>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that
>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use
>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly)
>>>>>>>>>>>> less of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. Much
>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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