[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
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Mon Dec 26 19:49:53 UTC 2011
Good afternoon list,
I figured I would ask this question in this thred since I would figure that most live or know the Boston area. Can anyone recommend a good vet? I am researching things since I will be moving up there soon. Thanks
William O’Donnell,
Independent Distributer,
Organo Gold Enterprises INC.
http://www.willsholistics.organogold.com
> From: lkeeler at comcast.net
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:41:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
> The song! Its the Kingston Trio!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
> > Has what on your phone? 49 or their age? No way my age is going to be on
> > my phone.
> > Cindy
> >
> > On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> >
> >> Hey, I'm 49 and I'll bet I'm the only one who has it on my phone!
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>
> >>
> >>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or early
> >>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone over
> >>> at least 55 would remember it.
> >>>
> >>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared
> >>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded place
> >>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
> >>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is a
> >>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the mid
> >>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or rather
> >>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so geared
> >>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
> >>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out for
> >>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - where
> >>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
> >>>
> >>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
> >>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
> >>>> about this song.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
> >>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown every
> >>>>> day!
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
> >>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
> >>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
> >>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under 2
> >>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
> >>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
> >>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
> >>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day. Prices
> >>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
> >>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> >>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
> >>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only
> >>>>>>> 15 cense
> >>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
> >>>>>>> now. It
> >>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
> >>>>>>> "Charley
> >>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire life,
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
> >>>>>>> because I put
> >>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince my
> >>>>>>> dad to
> >>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
> >>>>>>> reactions,
> >>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
> >>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
> >>>>>>> believe.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
> >>>>>>>> wwell!
> >>>>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks liked
> >>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really cared
> >>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky that
> >>>>>>>>> way. I
> >>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
> >>>>>>>>> when I
> >>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
> >>>>>>>>> stares.
> >>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
> >>>>>>>>> keepper!
> >>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the
> >>>>>>>>> stares.
> >>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope they
> >>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
> >>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
> >>>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
> >>>>>>>>>> actually
> >>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
> >>>>>>>>>> talking!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and had
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
> >>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation at
> >>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
> >>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
> >>>>>>>>>> was a
> >>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so I
> >>>>>>>>>> never
> >>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had never
> >>>>>>>>>> seen
> >>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
> >>>>>>>>>> They
> >>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could see
> >>>>>>>>>> quite
> >>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
> >>>>>>>>>> pretty well
> >>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
> >>>>>>>>>> needed a
> >>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for Halloween
> >>>>>>>>>> where I
> >>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and
> >>>>>>>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
> >>>>>>>>>> lose
> >>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and my
> >>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt that I
> >>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the cane,
> >>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized that
> >>>>>>>>>> it was
> >>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can happen
> >>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them
> >>>>>>>>>> in court
> >>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more cautious
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made a
> >>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
> >>>>>>>>>> audible
> >>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
> >>>>>>>>>> anymore
> >>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I
> >>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
> >>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
> >>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the
> >>>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the crowd
> >>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
> >>>>>>>>>> killed.
> >>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before using
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> cane!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found it
> >>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that
> >>>>>>>>>> my eyes
> >>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use
> >>>>>>>>>> my cane
> >>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
> >>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
> >>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
> >>>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
> >>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
> >>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
> >>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
> >>>>>>>>>>> capable,
> >>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly)
> >>>>>>>>>>> less of a
> >>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as blind.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Much
> >>>>>>>>>>> better.
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "need
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>> he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
> >>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is heavier.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some mental
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they saw
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs? I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few backups
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the strap
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster type
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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