[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

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Tue Dec 27 11:38:00 UTC 2011 

Sounds alot like some parts of Brooklyn or The Bronx, NYC.  They are known as rough; yet, they have improved over the years.  I think Umass Boston is actually in that section of the city.  IT seams like a quiet section- right on the water.  Me and my guide flew down those streets- no one was out late evening.  


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> From: kramc11 at gmail.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:58:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> 
> Got to love the dirty dot. Dorchester, is still sort of a ruff area of the 
> city, however I went to high school there. Cambridge, while not technically 
> part of Boston is an interesting place. Lots of fun characters as you said. 
> I like to ride the "T" out to Kendall Square and go hang out in Cambridge.
> 
> 
> 
> Quite sad that they got rid of most of the old squares.
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering if a dog makes a crime deterrent? Sometimes I have to go to 
> sketchy parts of the city, while I have never had problems; sometimes I am 
> wishing I was driving in a Bradley.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> 
> 
> > That's very funny, Mark.
> >
> > My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me "Dohchesteh".--smile.
> > I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent since I
> > grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having moved down
> > in 1962.
> > .
> > One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem with my
> > heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand why I was
> > born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously, , "like 
> > on
> > your head?"
> >
> > I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston, but not 
> > in
> > the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
> > I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen in 1983.
> > Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one sentence how
> > old I am--lol.
> > I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there, I loved 
> > it.
> >
> > Dan the man and Carter the nut
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Mark J. Cadigan
> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >
> > Larry,
> >
> >
> >
> > Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no more. Thank
> > god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years. Also, lots
> > of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of blue 
> > collar
> > workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and movies like 
> > the
> > town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of when my
> > parents were my age.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
> > Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have to listen 
> > to
> > one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or another of
> > the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
> >
> >
> >
> > In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the English
> > language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
> >
> >
> >
> > You know you are from Boston if
> >
> > You don't think you have an attitude.
> >
> > You have no idea what the word compromise means.
> >
> > You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as everyone else.
> >
> > The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
> >
> > You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
> >
> > You wear dungaress, not jeans.
> >
> > You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
> >
> > 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping days until
> > Christmas
> >
> > And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
> >
> >
> >
> > Driving rules for boston
> >
> > Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
> > inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a pedestrian ahead
> > of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up on the 
> > curb.
> >
> > Peds have no rights.
> >
> > it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell while 
> > drinking
> > a coffee and driving with their knees.
> >
> > you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't see a
> > Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't literally 
> > see
> >
> > them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without passing 
> > them,
> > and sometimes multiples of them.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >
> >
> >>I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat Zone! I read
> >>a lot of Robin Cook.
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>
> >>
> >>>I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily entrenched
> >>>in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes, 
> >>> when
> >
> >>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still crowded.
> >>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or early
> >>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone over
> >>>> at least 55 would remember it.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are compared
> >>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded place
> >>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
> >>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is a
> >>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the mid
> >>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or 
> >>>> rather
> >
> >>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so geared
> >>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
> >>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out for
> >>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - where
> >>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
> >>>>> about this song.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown every
> >>>>>> day!
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
> >>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
> >>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under 2
> >>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
> >>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
> >>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
> >>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day. Prices
> >>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was only
> >>>>>>>> 15 cense
> >>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
> >>>>>>>> now. It
> >>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
> >>>>>>>> "Charley
> >>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire life,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
> >>>>>>>> because I put
> >>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince 
> >>>>>>>> my
> >
> >>>>>>>> dad to
> >>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
> >>>>>>>> reactions,
> >>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
> >>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
> >>>>>>>> believe.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
> >>>>>>>>> wwell!
> >>>>>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks liked
> >>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never returning!
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really 
> >>>>>>>>>> cared
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky that
> >>>>>>>>>> way. I
> >>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
> >>>>>>>>>> when I
> >>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
> >>>>>>>>>> stares.
> >>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
> >>>>>>>>>> keepper!
> >>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all the
> >>>>>>>>>> stares.
> >>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope they
> >>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
> >>>>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
> >>>>>>>>>>> actually
> >>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
> >>>>>>>>>>> talking!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and 
> >>>>>>>>>>> had
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation 
> >>>>>>>>>>> at
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
> >>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
> >>>>>>>>>>> was a
> >>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so I
> >>>>>>>>>>> never
> >>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had 
> >>>>>>>>>>> never
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> seen
> >>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
> >>>>>>>>>>> They
> >>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could 
> >>>>>>>>>>> see
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> quite
> >>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
> >>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
> >>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
> >>>>>>>>>>> needed a
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for Halloween
> >>>>>>>>>>> where I
> >>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious and
> >>>>>>>>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
> >>>>>>>>>>> lose
> >>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and my
> >>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt that 
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the 
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane,
> >>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized 
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> it was
> >>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can happen
> >>>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify them
> >>>>>>>>>>> in court
> >>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more 
> >>>>>>>>>>> cautious
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made a
> >>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
> >>>>>>>>>>> audible
> >>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
> >>>>>>>>>>> anymore
> >>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE I
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the
> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the crowd
> >>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
> >>>>>>>>>>> killed.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before 
> >>>>>>>>>>> using
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found 
> >>>>>>>>>>> it
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback that
> >>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
> >>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do use
> >>>>>>>>>>> my cane
> >>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
> >>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>slow-witted, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
> >>>>>>>>>>>>capable,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly) 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>less
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>of a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>[insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as blind.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night blindness.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over at 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me. If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your needs? 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few backups
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't hang
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in use?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the outrage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I left
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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