[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Mark J. Cadigan
kramc11 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 27 13:04:08 UTC 2011
If you want my advice, I would live out near Umass Boston in Dorchester. It
is a relatively quiet part of Dorchester, overlooks the water, and has easy
acksess to the T via the JFK-umass station.
There are lots of nice places to live around Boston.
Welcome to the finest city in the world. After all, we are the hub of the
universe.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wmodnl wmodnl" <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
OH, yes, I have heard of Rockland. Small place not near anything really.
To answer your question about where I will be living, it will either be
Dorchester or Madapan.
William O’Donnell,
Independent Distributer,
Organo Gold Enterprises INC.
http://www.willsholistics.organogold.com
> From: kramc11 at gmail.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 17:59:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
> William
>
>
>
> What part of the Boston area are you moving to? I don’t yet have a guide
> dog; however, my parents have a small pet dog. They take her to a vet in a
> town called Rockland. I will ask the name if you want, however, that is a
> small suburb not accessible by public transportation.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wmodnl wmodnl" <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
>
> Good afternoon list,
> I figured I would ask this question in this thred since I would figure
> that
> most live or know the Boston area. Can anyone recommend a good vet? I am
> researching things since I will be moving up there soon. Thanks
>
> William O’Donnell,
> Independent Distributer,
> Organo Gold Enterprises INC.
> http://www.willsholistics.organogold.com
>
>
> > From: lkeeler at comcast.net
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 20:41:24 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >
> > The song! Its the Kingston Trio!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >
> >
> > > Has what on your phone? 49 or their age? No way my age is going to be
> > > on
> > > my phone.
> > > Cindy
> > >
> > > On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey, I'm 49 and I'll bet I'm the only one who has it on my phone!
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
> > >> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> > >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
> > >>> early
> > >>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone
> > >>> over
> > >>> at least 55 would remember it.
> > >>>
> > >>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
> > >>> compared
> > >>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded
> > >>> place
> > >>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
> > >>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is
> > >>> a
> > >>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the
> > >>> mid
> > >>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
> > >>> rather
> > >>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
> > >>> geared
> > >>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
> > >>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
> > >>> for
> > >>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest -
> > >>> where
> > >>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lyn and Landon
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
> > >>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> > >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
> > >>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
> > >>>> about this song.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
> > >>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> > >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>> Users"
> > >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
> > >>>>> every
> > >>>>> day!
> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
> > >>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> > >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>>> Users"
> > >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
> > >>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just
> > >>>>>> under
> > >>>>>> 2
> > >>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
> > >>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive.
> > >>>>>> However,
> > >>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
> > >>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
> > >>>>>> Prices
> > >>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
> > >>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> > >>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > >>>>>>> On
> > >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
> > >>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>>>>> Users
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was
> > >>>>>>> only
> > >>>>>>> 15 cense
> > >>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like
> > >>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>> now. It
> > >>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
> > >>>>>>> "Charley
> > >>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
> > >>>>>>> life,
> > >>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
> > >>>>>>> because I put
> > >>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
> > >>>>>>> convince
> > >>>>>>> my
> > >>>>>>> dad to
> > >>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe
> > >>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>> reactions,
> > >>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me
> > >>>>>>> no
> > >>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
> > >>>>>>> believe.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> > >>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>>>>> Users"
> > >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
> > >>>>>>>> wwell!
> > >>>>>>>> LOL!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
> > >>>>>>>> liked
> > >>>>>>>> what
> > >>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> > >>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>>>>>> Users"
> > >>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
> > >>>>>>>>> returning!
> > >>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
> > >>>>>>>>> cared
> > >>>>>>>>> about
> > >>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky
> > >>>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>> way. I
> > >>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
> > >>>>>>>>> when I
> > >>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by
> > >>>>>>>>> everyones
> > >>>>>>>>> stares.
> > >>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
> > >>>>>>>>> keepper!
> > >>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all
> > >>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>> stares.
> > >>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
> > >>>>>>>>> they
> > >>>>>>>>> like
> > >>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
> > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> > >>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>>>>>>> Users"
> > >>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
> > >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
> > >>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather
> > >>>>>>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>> people
> > >>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they
> > >>>>>>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>>> actually
> > >>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
> > >>>>>>>>>> talking!
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and
> > >>>>>>>>>> had
> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that,
> > >>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
> > >>>>>>>>>> transportation
> > >>>>>>>>>> at
> > >>>>>>>>>> all
> > >>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on
> > >>>>>>>>>> quiet
> > >>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.
> > >>>>>>>>>> There
> > >>>>>>>>>> was a
> > >>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
> > >>>>>>>>>> so
> > >>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>> never
> > >>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
> > >>>>>>>>>> never
> > >>>>>>>>>> seen
> > >>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
> > >>>>>>>>>> They
> > >>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
> > >>>>>>>>>> see
> > >>>>>>>>>> quite
> > >>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
> > >>>>>>>>>> pretty well
> > >>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
> > >>>>>>>>>> needed a
> > >>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
> > >>>>>>>>>> Halloween
> > >>>>>>>>>> where I
> > >>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious
> > >>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> that I
> > >>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
> > >>>>>>>>>> lose
> > >>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and
> > >>>>>>>>>> my
> > >>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
> > >>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
> > >>>>>>>>>> cane,
> > >>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
> > >>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>> it was
> > >>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
> > >>>>>>>>>> happen
> > >>>>>>>>>> because
> > >>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify
> > >>>>>>>>>> them
> > >>>>>>>>>> in court
> > >>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
> > >>>>>>>>>> cautious
> > >>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
> > >>>>>>>>>> made
> > >>>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days
> > >>>>>>>>>> before
> > >>>>>>>>>> audible
> > >>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
> > >>>>>>>>>> anymore
> > >>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE
> > >>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
> > >>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give
> > >>>>>>>>>> up
> > >>>>>>>>>> their
> > >>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility.
> > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> new
> > >>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
> > >>>>>>>>>> crowd
> > >>>>>>>>>> without
> > >>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the
> > >>>>>>>>>> person
> > >>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
> > >>>>>>>>>> killed.
> > >>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
> > >>>>>>>>>> using
> > >>>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>> cane!
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
> > >>>>>>>>>> found
> > >>>>>>>>>> it
> > >>>>>>>>>> very
> > >>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback
> > >>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>> my eyes
> > >>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do
> > >>>>>>>>>> use
> > >>>>>>>>>> my cane
> > >>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
> > >>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> > >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> > >>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > >>>>>>>>>> Users"
> > >>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> who
> > >>>>>>>>>>> think
> > >>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
> > >>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that
> > >>>>>>>>>>> they
> > >>>>>>>>>>> are
> > >>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
> > >>>>>>>>>>> capable,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly)
> > >>>>>>>>>>> less of a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
> > >>>>>>>>>>> sighted
> > >>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
> > >>>>>>>>>>> blind.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Much
> > >>>>>>>>>>> better.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> "need
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> he's
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> did
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> very
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> had
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their!
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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