[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Lyn Gwizdak
linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Tue Dec 27 22:55:57 UTC 2011
Hey Mark, maybe one of our dogs should make a great candidate! LOL! Landon
loves everyone and would be a great peacemaker in the world! Now wwe won't
be busted by the mods. It is a shame that there are no good Republicans
around anymore. Unfortunately, the GOP has sucumbed to the radical right
and the moderates have left. I have worked for several great Republicans
during my life and they were really good people. Extremes anywhere are
nothing but bad news and the results all look the same - a disaster! As a
progressive-leftist, I sometimes see obnoxiousness on that end of things as
well.
The schools I went to were Guide Dog Foundation, Guide Dogs of America, Eye
Dog Foundation, and The Seeing Eye. I've had German shepherds, Labradors,
and now a Lab/Golden cross. I like German shepherds but I found that they
were too high strung for my needs as an older person. I wouold have worked
a shepherd fine when I was your age. But with injuries and arthritis, I
can't handle the fast pace and hard pull of most shepherds. I wouldn't say
that I'm a slow walker either - I still leave some people in the dust! But
two foot surgeries and arthritis later, I have slowed down a bit from my
former pace. So, because of this, I have done much better with the Labs or
Lab/Golden crosses. these are the most used breeds now and they can be
matched with a wider variety of blind person and shepherds seem to be
matchable with a smaller grooup of people - strong, fast, and very mobile!
So, you're going to fidelco? I have a friend who went there back in the
1990s. She got nice dogs. Also, John Byfield was director of Training
there then. I knew him from Guide Dog Foundation back in the 70s.
Wonderful person and excellent trainer. Fidelco has all new people there
now from when I visited them in 1998 while in CT visiting my friend. I wish
you well with the new dog and you get a great match.
Take care and Happy New Year - yeah, wish I could visit Boston! Unlike
Charley, I would return to CA as I've become quite the CA Wuss when it comes
to cold and snow! LOL!
Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> Lyn,
>
>
>
> Although this is not a political list, and risking running afoul of the
> moderators, I'd like to state that as someone with fairely concervitive
> leanings, I could not bring myself to vote for Barack Obama. With that
> being said, I am not impressed with the other candidates as well.
>
>
>
> My parents were around back then, although they were conservative as well.
> Instead of joining in the protests, my dad volunteered for the army.
>
>
>
> And, to keep this remotely guide dog related, what schools did you receive
> your dogs from, and what breeds of dog did you have most success with.
>
>
>
> I will be getting a German Shepherd from Fidelco in early January. I
> don't yet know anything about this dog, but I will keep the list informed
> about my in home placement.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> PS Lyn there is a town named after you. Lol. However, the town of Lynn has
> two "N"
>
> Lynn, Lynn, the city of sin, never get out, same as you went in.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
>> Mark, funny thing I've been working on my autobiography all afternoon and
>> I just left off writing about my high school years - I was 19 when I
>> graduated - in 1970. Wow! you missed the crazy mid to late 1960s. The
>> Civil Rights riots, the assassinations of both kennedys and MLK. And also
>> the other social change movements like the Womens and Gay movements as
>> wwell as the antiwar activity of the Vietnam War. I just HATE the
>> conservativism of the Tea Party and the candidates for president. Go
>> with BArack! He's the only sane one running so far!
>>
>> I got my first guide dog in 1973 when I was 22. I've had eight now with
>> some not working out for one reason or another. I left Boston in 1988
>> and have been in San Diego ever since.
>>
>> Sometimes I wish I wwere that young again, but then again, I'm glad that
>> I'm not. I had alot of trauma and stress back then and I'm now fairly
>> comfortable in all that I know and where my life is at age 61. I have
>> several really young friends your age and I enjoy them alot.
>>
>> Take care and Merry Christmas.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>
>>
>>> From my prospective, you are almost old enough to be my grandma lol.
>>> Just kidding. I am almost 20, so the math barely works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The T still doesn't run all night; it stops around 12 or so. I don't
>>> tend to be out to late unless I have a purpose EG late night pizza,
>>> because loitering is never a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have my dog yet, so it's just me and my cane, but I will have a
>>> dog next semester, because I am getting my dog on January 3.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hey Mark, who ya callin' old!! LOL!! I'm 61 years young and don't look
>>>> too much over 35. But sometimes the body tells me I'm not 35. LOL!
>>>> Landon has much more grey hair than I have.
>>>>
>>>> When I lived in Boston, being out on the streets wasn't a very good
>>>> idea - even with a dog. Besides, the T doesn't run all night - or did
>>>> they change?
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>>entrenched in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes,
>>>>> when I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still
>>>>> crowded. Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>>> early 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah,
>>>>>> anyone over at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
>>>>>> compared to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a
>>>>>> crowded place to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs
>>>>>> work well and sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in
>>>>>> port and it is a wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the
>>>>>> temps are in the mid 70s during the summer. Most people drive here
>>>>>> and don't walk - or rather it is hard to walk some places because
>>>>>> Southern California is so geared to cars rather than walking, biking,
>>>>>> or puplic transportation.
>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>>> for than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest -
>>>>>> where there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>>> every day!
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
>>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
>>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under
>>>>>>>>> 2 bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
>>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
>>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
>>>>>>>>> Prices around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was
>>>>>>>>>> only 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
>>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>>> life, and
>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince
>>>>>>>>>> my dad to
>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
>>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>>> liked what
>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
>>>>>>>>>>>> returning! I
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>>> cared about
>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky
>>>>>>>>>>>> that way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by
>>>>>>>>>>>> everyones stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>> they like
>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd without
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>less of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>blind. Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness. Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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