[nagdu] Cant do it

[Steven Johnson]

Tami,
Here is a little more to  work with...
Definition of reasonable accommodation: Any change in the work environment
or in the way things are customarily done that enables a person with a
disability to enjoy equal employment opportunities.

Reasonable accommodation applies to all aspects of employment from applying,
doing the job, benefits of the job and even termination.  


The other source you may want to check out is www.jan.wvu.edu

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Tami Kinney
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:26 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cant do it

Ah. As I was going on about time off from real employment, it occurred 
to me that I might be making more assumptions than I realized.

Honestly, I see it as a reasonable accommodation and would have a hard 
time being convinced otherwise...

Since I am not a federal judge or the Queen of Everything, what I think 
means exactly jack squat when it comes to the actual legal ins and 
outs... There may be precedent or some specific exclusion or caveat or 
who knows what tucked away somewhere I haven't heard of.

If it were me and my employment, I wouldn't let that doubt affect my 
approach or expectation that the company would see this as reasonable 
and thus behave in a reasonable fashion. That's just the kinda gal I am. 
/smile/

And yes, I know all the reasons that may not be so easy a choice, even 
for a stubborn risk taker of a fool like me. /smile/ I would hope I am 
enough of a realist that if the option were a guide dog or not starving 
the children because it was the only job available and they could get 
away with firing me for being insistent about things like civil rights 
and reasonableness, that I would mention this to my pride and make the 
right call. One never knows until the choice is one's own...

Wonder if there is any legal precedent? No time to look it up myself 
just now, but if anyone has a clue that could be real interesting for 
all of us!

Tami

On 12/29/2011 07:44 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
> Tami,
>
> I am just jumping in on this thread as I lost a lot of email and am not
able
> to track this back, but I would tend to agree as most employers at the
very
> least, would grant unpaid time off.  Others, if one had accrued vacation
or
> comp, they would make one use this first and if not enough as had happened
> to my girlfriend, she was simply granted unpaid time off, and was able to
> jump right back in her work.  The tricky part is that this would most
likely
> not fall under the clause of a reasonable work accommodation...just my 2.5
> cents worth.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tami Kinney
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:32 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cant do it
>
> Well, I would expect an employer to grant me time off when a guide
> became available for me. In fact, when I mentioned in my interview for
> my last position and then the position to which I was about to be
> promoted that I planned to get a guide dog at some point in the near
> future, they just said of course that would not be a problem, I could
> take the time off and still have my job when I got back before I even
> asked the question.
>
> If I can expect that from an employer, as most guide dog users seem to
> have been able to expect, since they have employment and guide dogs...
>
> Why can't the training center for blind students preparing for the
> world of employment be expected to act accordingly?
>
> Also, in this case, they are not even paying Hannah. They are being paid
> to provide services to her. Very probably every taxpayer in her family
> is helping to pay them.
>
> This isn't a shopping spree or a spring break trip to Daytona... If's a
> guide dog. A mobility tool.
>
> I just can't help thinking that the training center is out of line and
> not setting a very good example of adults in the working world.
>
> I may be missing something, but... Stuff like this just irritates the
> heck out of me. /smile/
>
> Tami
>
>
>
> On 12/29/2011 05:00 PM, Cindy Ray wrote:
>> But you have already started it, haven't you? Also, there are other
things
> at stake--like who might be waiting to come, etc. I don't know their
> procedures.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
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