[nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations

[Lyn Gwizdak]

Gee Marion, you don't want to join the KKK or Nazi Party?? LOL!

I personally have never been asked not to bring my guide dog to any club or 
church I've attended in my life.  So, I was surprised to learn that certain 
things are exempt from ADA.  I think I wouldn't want to go to a club or 
church that banned my dog on principle.  But, if I was asked by a mosque to 
come and talk to them about blindness, I'd leave my dog home because I know 
that they don't believe in indoor dogs and that they aren't allowed in their 
houses of worship.  I would treat it like a private home where a resident 
couldn't have my dog there because of a health reason.  If I don't know the 
person whose home I'm going to, I'll ask before I bring my dog.  I did this 
for my Democratic Club holiday party that was held in a private home.  Turns 
out he was fine about the dog - and I never did go because I was sick that 
weekend.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious Organizations


>    Julie's assessment of the separation of church and state is correct as 
> it pertains to religious institutions and places of worship. As it relates 
> to private clubs, the private club has the right to set its own membership 
> criteria and exclude whomever they wish. Although we may not want to join 
> a private club that excludes people who use service animals or those who 
> use wheelchairs, but we may also not want to join clubs that exclude Jews, 
> blacks, homosexuals, Polocks, or those with other characteristics. 
> Similarly, there are those who want to join such clubs and that is their 
> right of association and free speech.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Exemption for Private Clubs and Religious 
> Organizations
>
>
>> Sheila and all,
>>
>> The rationale of the exemption of places of worship from the ADA stems 
>> from the principle of the separation of church and state.
>>
>> Having said that, I, personally, would not attend a place of worship 
>> where my guide was not welcome no matter that the law gives them the 
>> option of exclusion.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> On 12/28/2011 8:08 PM, Sheila Leigland wrote:
>>> I understand about clubs if you don't pay why be at there activities. I 
>>> won't choose betreen my having and using my guide dog and a church. If 
>>> my dog isn't welcome at a church I won't be attending that church.
>>>
>>> Sheila Leiglan d
>>>
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