[nagdu] Going out during training

Wed Feb 2 00:45:31 UTC 2011

You a math geek, too?

On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:

> Band geeks rule!  But not as much as math geeks.  Let's keep things in
> perspective here.  /grin/
> 
> Tami Smith-Kinney
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:43 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going out during training
> 
> All right Rebecca! Another band geek, well in your case fife and drum core
> geek. <grin> I was in marching band in high school and loved it. Talk about
> improving your O&M skills. I was a pretty high partial but had little to no
> depth perception and no peripheral vision but made it work. 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm wondering if someone who had a hobby like this might even leave the dog
> with someone, say the equipment manager, while on the field, then work it
> when not marching. That's what I'd have done if I'd had a dog back in the
> day. Our band equipment manager raised a guide dog puppy that, well, on
> paper died, and he kept it. That dog was sort of an unofficial band mascot
> for nearly 10 years. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry Gang, I have a very soft spot for band geeks. <grin> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jenine Stanley
> 
> jeninems at wowway.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:24 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going out during training
> 
> 
> 
> Gary,
> Why do you think the girls in your clas shouldn't have gone home with their
> dogs? I'm curious.
> When I got my first dog, I marched with a fife and drum corps. I could not
> have my dog with me while I marched because I needed to stay in formation
> and because I was holding a flag with seven other girls. At times during our
> performances, we'd raise the flag and the band would go underneath it.A dog
> that could not be left would have been a deal breaker for me.
> I'll add tha chasing boys is what us girls like to do. Why should these
> girls not have done this? What if one of them had a hobby like my marching
> that she really enjoyed? Would your anser be different?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of GARY STEEVES
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:50 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Going out during training
> 
> 
> Hi Tracy:
> 
> I agree with you. During my class I started off slowly leaving Bogart alone
> in the room and would see how he reacted. I sort of broke the rules first by
> showing up at the end of day meeting without Bogart. My room was right
> across from the meeting room so I could hear what he was doing. I live in an
> apartment so it was crucial that I could have confidence in him that he
> wouldn't bark if I left him home alone. I think my instructors trusted me
> and how I worked with Bogart so I think they got what I was trying to do.
> 
> 
> 
> Once he was pretty good I did nip down to the bar for a beer or two but he
> was never lefr alone for more than 4 hours.
> 
> The othergirls in the class were all under 18 and they were interested in
> checking out boys at the local coffee shop.  It was actually Bogart's
> brother, Byran, who did all the barking which did worry me a bit with
> regards to Bogart but so far he seems very good in this regard.
> 
> I don't think the girls should have been sent home but I think that if the
> dog wasn't doing good being left alone then they should have had to work at
> it to build up the dogs trust that you'd come back.
> 
> Gary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:23 am
> Subject: [nagdu] Going out during training
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> 
>> I don't think that going out with a brand-new dog, in an
>> unfamiliar area,
>> during class is a good idea, certainly not in the first couple
>> weeks.  It
>> takes a while for the dog and person to adjust to each other,
>> and, until
>> that happens, the guiding/following may not be all it should be.
>> As to going out without the dog, I wonder what people think
>> should happen
>> in the following:
>> I was rather shocked by an episode Gary related about his
>> class.  People
>> were free to go out after the training day, and it sounded like
>> one woman
>> was making a habit of taking off, leaving her dog in the room,
>> where it
>> started barking its head off, and other people repeatedly had to
>> go and
>> deal with the problem.
>> If people are free to go out, and their dog causes a problem in their
>> absence, I think it would be reasonable to give them a warning,
>> and, if it
>> happens again, send them home.  After all, they're in class
>> to learn how
>> to handle a dog, and if bar-hopping is more important...out they go!
>> 
>> It did sound nice in Gary's class, to be able to nip down to the
>> cornerand have a brewski.  But TSE is too far out in the
>> country for that.  GDB
>> too, for that matter.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> 
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