[nagdu] elements of class, matching and escaping

Wed Feb 2 05:36:43 UTC 2011

Cindy,

Never heard nuthin' mean outta ya.  /smile/  I never let not having anything
useful to say stop me; I just happen to be busy enough that I can't think
about popping off about what I think about every little thing.  Oh, now I
remember about learning from others!  /grin/

Well, I think in some of the most recent philosophical type discussions,
some of the back and forth of this specific or that has to do with our
desire to be treated as adults -- because we are -- and what our
responsibility is as adults, and how can we generalize it all to cover the
needs of everyone on a large scale.  Thus, much discussion and defining of
terms and looking at other points of view, agreeing on this and disagreeing
on that...

I think working towards the proposed bill of rights is a really great idea.
I also think that, since we are a national organization and are talking
about doing something on a federal legislative level, we need to take time
to think it through...  Which means talking because that's how we all share
thoughts and ideas.

Yeah, I've read plenty of discussions on the same subjects featuring many of
the same players...  But I'm learning an awful lot just reading and mulling
and reading and mulling.  I've read some really good proposals on a couple
of specific items, and I'm sorry I'm too fuzz brained by now to remember
exactly.  Yet I am learning a lot from this discussion and feel more and
more that I understand a great about the interplay between the guide dog
programs and us as blind consumers.  And, of course, there are dogs
involved, with both human parties having an interest in them during the
period the consumer is at the program learning to use the dog...

This is why I like math.  If a squared plus be squared equals c squared, and
you know the value of a and the value of c, then the value of b is easily
discovered.  It is what it is, and that's that.  You sit down with your
scientific caluclator and maybe a bit of scratch paper (or the electronic
equivalent if scratch paper and a dull pencil no longer work for you) and
just figure it out, then plug in the value to whatever it is and move on.
Nothing to discuss, nothing to agree or disagree about, it just is.  Whew!

Matters of behaviors and ethics and liability and who owns what when and why
and and where they can go with it when or why, especially when it has a
super high price tag because of its training and really would only like a
nice nap after a big bowl of yummy kibble with yogurt on top, only who's
listening?  /lol/

Those sorts of things require discussion and meetings and discussion and
meetings, and proposals and ocunter proposals and then, heaven forbid, a
vote, or maybe even a vote on whether to vote.  So it's really frustrating,
especially if one is the sort who wants to just get 'er done and move on
having fixed everything.  Sigh.  I am definitely one of those less talk,
more action types.

Who has sat through many long and dreary meetings over one single line of
some proposed wonderful project or other, because sometimes the talk turns
out to be really important in the long run.

Okay, it is way to late and I am pontificating.  Bad habit, that one.
/grin/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:52 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] elements of class, matching and escaping

Oh, yeah, and I hope you didn't think I was being mean. LOL. I don't have
anything to add either. I have added way too much already.

On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:

> Yeah, I like the idea of popping out for a bit of R&R out on the town in
the
> evenings after a hard day's training...  I have a feeling my reality would
> be a bit of R&R zonked out on the sofa in front of the TV.  /lol/  Or on
the
> floor snuggling my new dog is more like 
> 
> The freedom to shoose it the important thing, I guess.  And the tricky
part
> is finding a balance between the needs of the program and its training,
the
> needs of the individual, and the needs of the other students...  
> 
> I'm liking some of the specifics people are coming up with, as well as
some
> of the philosophies.  So I'll go back to pondering the wisdom of others,
> since I haven't come up with any of my own.  /smle/
> 
> Tami Smith-Kinney
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:33 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] elements of class, matching and escaping
> 
> Well, at TSE you don't leave campus, though I'm not sure that you can't if
> om;pany comes and they want you to go somewhere with them. But the
Saturday
> Sunday afternoon visitors are from 1:30 or so until feeding time. That is
a
> little hospital-ish, I'd guess, but it doesn't bother me so much. One time
> when I was there I had guests each weekend, and I began to wish I did not.
> They say that they want you to have as much time as possible with your
dogs;
> it's not about your being adults or not, I think, though I suspect the day
> will come when this will change up some. Who knows. But the time I had the
> guests so many times, I began to wish I weren't having them. LOL. I really
> needed down time. I loved seeing the people though. And certainly
sometimes
> weekends get a little long though, especially if you aren't in the
> accelerated class. Anyway, I'll give it more thought.
> 
> I do like the meeting with dogs. TSE started that around the time I got
> Spencer, shortly before 1998, I think, and I really do think that it is a
> great experience and could say a lot.
> 
> 
> 
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