[nagdu] Blind-Drivable Car at Convention

Doug Parisian eggmann at mts.net
Thu Feb 3 01:11:05 UTC 2011 

I don't want a pickle' I just wanna ride my motor sickle. (arlo Guthry)

Get your motor runnin,
get out on the highway.
Lookin' for adventure,
And whatever comes my way.
(morris Frank)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind-Drivable Car at Convention


>I want to drie the speedy little yellow taxi. Never Mind!
> <Giggle>
>
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:
>
>> Tami,
>>
>>   That's so you...I can just imagine it. A red car, zooming down the 
>> road, black poodle Mitzi sticking her head out the passenger window, 
>> tongue out and ears flapping.
>>
>> Nicole and Lexia (who does not stick her head out car windows)
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" 
>> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind-Drivable Car at Convention
>>
>>
>>> Oh, but I want to live long enough to drive into town, parallel park 
>>> beside
>>> a busy sidewalk then hop out for the car with my guide dog and walk the 
>>> rest
>>> of the way to work (or shopping, I'm easy)!  Or even with my whtie cane.
>>> Either way, it would be funny.  Well, I guess not being able to see the
>>> looks on people's faces when they first start seeing those sorts of 
>>> sights
>>> is a bit of a bummer, but I can imagine what they will be.  /lol/
>>>
>>> I fear you may be right about attitudes and so forth.  Then again, even
>>> though it seems like in some areas we're in a reverse pendulum swing, 
>>> the
>>> wacked out economy and the housing crisis and the general shake up in 
>>> what
>>> our culture at large has believed is the way things just are because 
>>> that's
>>> how they're supposed to be could result in suprising changes in the 
>>> social
>>> order once the dust settles.  I admit, I tend to have a grim view 
>>> sometimes,
>>> since historically the blind do not fare well in crisis based cultural
>>> upheavals...  But then I realize it's very possible that we gained 
>>> enough
>>> ground leading up to this, and we've benefitted from so many advances in
>>> technology, that we could come out even or even ahead...  As would other
>>> disability groups, for the same reason.  Hard to say, really, since the 
>>> dust
>>> isn't finished rising into the air as far as anyway can maybe almost 
>>> sort of
>>> agree.
>>>
>>> Still, someone was pointing out that blind people are getting a boost in
>>> terms of gaining employment because so many others have given up on even
>>> looking out of sheer discouragement.  That's cool.
>>>
>>> So, who knows, maybe when the blind-drivable car comes onto the market 
>>> and
>>> the infrastructure is there for it, they will actually allow blind 
>>> people to
>>> drive it.  I want that sporty red convertible!  /grin/
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Buddy Brannan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:31 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind-Drivable Car at Convention
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Oh, I'm completely with you on your analogy with the Wright brothers. 
>>> Will
>>> we see blind people driving in our lifetime? I sure hope so. As I've 
>>> said
>>> elsewhere (as have others, I'm sure), I believe the attitude and 
>>> legislative
>>> barriers are going to be much harder to manage than the technological 
>>> ones
>>> will. I think the technology will be ready in our lifetimes, but I'm not 
>>> so
>>> sure that sighted drivers will be as willing to share the roads with us, 
>>> and
>>> that's going to be the harder battle to win. (I suspect that by the time 
>>> we
>>> *do* win that one, everyone will have automated vehicles and it won't
>>> matter.) Having said that though, the technological offshoots of this, 
>>> and
>>> the developments that come of it in goodness knows how many areas, will 
>>> be
>>> tremendous.
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Rovig, Lorraine wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Buddy,
>>>> It is also worth noting, in a practical sense, that from the first 
>>>> flight
>>> by the Wright Brothers at Kittyhawk to the first step on the moon took 
>>> 50
>>> years.  I think this trip at Daytona Racetrack is the equivelent of a
>>> Kittyhawk for a blind driver.  I wouldn't expect a Wright Brother to fly
>>> that airplane of theirs anywhere but on a closed beach until they solved 
>>> a
>>> few more problems.  On the other hand, fifty years isn't so long for 
>>> such a
>>> huge leap of mankind as stepping on the moon.  I expect blind drivers 
>>> will
>>> be on the open roads in my lifetime.  Here is a link to more information
>>> about the Daytona trip by Mark Riccobono as found on the NFB Website:
>>>>
>>>> Blind Man Drives Car Independently
>>>> The NFB announced today that for the first time a blind individual has
>>> driven a street vehicle in public without the assistance of a sighted
>>> person.  Mark Anthony Riccobono, a blind executive who directs 
>>> technology,
>>> research, and education programs for the organization, was behind the 
>>> wheel
>>> of a Ford Escape hybrid equipped with nonvisual technology and 
>>> successfully
>>> navigated 1.5 miles of the road course section of the famed track at the
>>> Daytona International Speedway.  For more information on this historic
>>> moment, please read the digital news release with audio and video or the
>>> official press release. http://www.digitalnewsrelease.com/?q=nfb_daytona 
>>> and
>>>> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=760
>>>>
>>>> Lorraine Rovig
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>> Of Buddy Brannan
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:24 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind-Drivable Car at Convention
>>>>
>>>> No, there's no strip in the road. Speed strips" are vibraing things 
>>>> that
>>> are in a cushion under the driver's legs and up his back. These give
>>> information about whether he can speed up or slow down. The files on
>>> blindbargains.com are fantastic. BTW, I doubt that any blind people will
>>> drive the car on the open road. Putting aside the whole issue of not 
>>> having
>>> driver's licenses and not being insured, I really don't think that the
>>> technology is quite ready for real world use. Probably won't be for some
>>> time yet. And count on legal hurdles and red tape beyond that before we 
>>> can
>>> actually have a car that we can drive, and never mind the cost of having
>>> such a car modded. Think a van with a wheelchair lift is expensive? I'd 
>>> bet
>>> this will be more.
>>>> --
>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 1, 2011, at 3:23 PM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> neither did I.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert J 
>>>>> Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind-Drivable Car at Convention
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not hear anything  about needing a strip on the road  or 
>>>>> anything
>>> like
>>>>> that to tell you the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>>>> Founder
>>>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>>>> New York, New York  10004
>>>>> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/>
>>>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one 
>>>>> who
>>> is
>>>>> doing it."
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>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>>>> Of Cindy Ray
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:13 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Blind-Drivable Car at Convention
>>>>>
>>>>> There are probably plenty of software issues to iron out. Also, as I
>>>>> understand it, mostly the car has to drive on a strip that heops with 
>>>>> the
>>>>> sensors, but I could be wrong. Blind Bargains has a podcast of the 
>>>>> drive,
>>>>> complete with the crowd there, race announcers, and all, and a press
>>>>> conference. I think it is blindbargains.com though it could be .org.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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