[nagdu] FIDELCO ownership rights and other things.
Brenda
bjnite at windstream.net
Thu Feb 3 20:08:27 UTC 2011
Marion
Maybe issues like this should not be shared until they are resolved
since only a part of the information can be presented, just enough to
make the party of choice look bad. Once the issue is resolved the whole
picture can be shared.
Again, what I was looking for was...
Could those individuals tell you or come on list themselves and say what
the situation is from their prospective?
I guess we will have to wait for the legal battle to end.
Brenda
On 2/3/2011 1:59 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> Brenda,
> I am not sure what you would like to know. The specifics are that
> Fidelco removed the dogs without cause and without explanation. Mr.
> Russman would only say that it was due to "safety reasons" but refused
> to give any further details. I agree that there is a great deal of
> vagueness. This is due to Fidelco's evasiveness. The only explanation
> they will offer is to "read section d of the agreement" that states
> Fidelco has the right to repossess the dog at their sole and absolute
> discretion. Pressing me for an explanation is unproductive, as I have
> none! Only Fidelco can give an explanation and they refuse to do so.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FIDELCO ownership rights and other things.
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>
>> Could those individuals tell you or come on list themselves and say
>> what the situation is from their prospective? There is a lot of
>> vagueness still.
>> Brenda
>>
>> On 2/3/2011 12:36 PM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> I will only say that we have attempted to get Fidelco's side of the
>>> story and, in spite of a signed release of information, Mr. Russman
>>> refused to talk to us about it. As this message so astutely stated,
>>> it makes us wonder what they are hiding. A great deal, we have come
>>> to find out, as more consumer come forward with similar stories. If
>>> it were an isolated incident, I would question the details. As a
>>> pattern evolves and we find credible information with physical
>>> evidence, it supports our action.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 11:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] FIDELCO ownership rights and other things.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>> Well said.
>>>> I have asked what the person who had her dog removed from Fidelco
>>>> was actually told with no response - makes me wonder. I do not
>>>> think the whole story has been relayed about the incidents at
>>>> Leader either. I find it amazing that a dog could be removed with
>>>> little warning and no cause - something is missing OR at least it
>>>> would be nice to hear from the school and the handler (both sides
>>>> of the story) so an informed opinion could be made about a certain
>>>> school.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe in the survey that is being prepared there could be an entry
>>>> of how many dogs have been repo'd by the school and the reason the
>>>> school gave for the forced return.
>>>>
>>>> Another survey question would be what is the reason for your
>>>> ownership policy? Why do you require a handler to wait two years
>>>> before awarding ownership?
>>>>
>>>> Brenda
>>>> Brenda
>>>>
>>>> On 2/3/2011 11:04 AM, Bryan Brown wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> The day after Marion posted the message about the woman
>>>>> who had their dog
>>>>> repossessed by FIDELCO for no reason... I received a call from a
>>>>> FIDELCO trainer. She was
>>>>> calling to find out if she could meet with me for a follow up
>>>>> visit. I
>>>>> scheduled a time to meet with her on the seventeenth of February,
>>>>> since I am
>>>>> not in what you might say is FIDELCO's traditional service area
>>>>> this will be
>>>>> the first follow up visit that I have had. They have offered, but
>>>>> I haven't had any
>>>>> problems that I thought needed a trainers help with so I declined.
>>>>> Any time
>>>>> I have ever had an issue or question I just call out to FIDELCO
>>>>> and I get
>>>>> put right through to someone who can help. I've never had to
>>>>> request follow
>>>>> up, I guess I've been lucky and not had any issues as a working team
>>>>> that I couldn't deal with myself. I'd be comfortable if FIDELCO
>>>>> called and
>>>>> said hey we're five minutes from your house and we want to see
>>>>> your dog. That would be great, I don't have any reasons to be
>>>>> anything other than proud of my dog. They were however nice enough
>>>>> to give me more than two weeks notice and make sure that it worked
>>>>> with my schedule. I'm far from intimidated, in fact I'm
>>>>> excited, I know that I have nothing to worry about, my dog is
>>>>> healthy, he is in great shape , we are a great working team and
>>>>> I'll be proud to show
>>>>> off our teamwork to someone who knows how much it takes to develop
>>>>> that type
>>>>> of relationship with a dog. My only concern is that the trainer
>>>>> might not be
>>>>> able to stick around and have dinner with myself and my family.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's unfortunate that anyone would ever have their dog unjustly
>>>>> removed from
>>>>> them and I'm not sure how that would benefit the program, imagine
>>>>> the implications if a person could prove those allegations, for
>>>>> instance in front of a jury? Why aren't the people who have
>>>>> supposedly had their dogs removed
>>>>> making a public show of such an unjust action? I know if that
>>>>> happened to me
>>>>> I'd be the first to call the sheriff, my vet, my attorney and the
>>>>> media, I'd make a
>>>>> huge stink of it, but I am confident that I have done nothing to
>>>>> bring such
>>>>> action on myself. , maybe the parties in question are not quite so
>>>>> confident? Is it possible that the inflammatory comments that
>>>>> Marion has made about FIDELCO and Mr. Russman are rooted in
>>>>> limited information and Mr. Russman's reservations to bow down to
>>>>> the big bad NFB?
>>>>>
>>>>> as far as I know... I own Tarik, do I think I have that right,
>>>>> "yes" at this
>>>>> point after five years it would be cruel to remove him from me, I
>>>>> am as much
>>>>> his life as he is mine. Do I think I deserved to own him upon
>>>>> graduation, my
>>>>> answer is no. I feel as though having a dog is a wonderful
>>>>> privilege in the
>>>>> case of a FIDELCO dog it's a 45,000 dollar privilege and I am the
>>>>> custodian of that privilege. It is my responsibility to hold up my
>>>>> end of
>>>>> the bargain. I knew what it was when I got the dog and I was
>>>>> confident in my
>>>>> ability to hold up my end of the bargain throughout his working
>>>>> life. That's
>>>>> why I signed my name on the line.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think making negative comments about any given program in a
>>>>> public forum
>>>>> without first hand experience is wrong and only serves to tarnish the
>>>>> program. If people have complaints so be it, but unless the
>>>>> complaints are coming directly from the people making them, the
>>>>> information has probably been spun and is most certainly one sided.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure why anyone sees fit to vilify any guide dog
>>>>> program. all the people that work so hard to provide us with these
>>>>> wonderful animals aren't doing it for the money. I'm fairly sure
>>>>> that the puppy raisers aren't pulling down huge salaries, and
>>>>> that the trainers surely aren't earning six figures, I see that
>>>>> they are doing it because they are genuinely good people, and that
>>>>> they either have a passion for helping, or dogs, or both!
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that I see such a militant attitude with so much of the
>>>>> NFB? I know it's a strong advocacy group, but I personally don't
>>>>> want to be advocated for by a group that comes across so
>>>>> negatively. We've become a society of victims, everything is
>>>>> always somebody else's fault and there is always someone out to
>>>>> get you, I see it in strangers and people I know and love. People
>>>>> have to start standing up for themselves again and taking
>>>>> responsibility for their own actions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>> -----
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