[nagdu] new guide dog.

Nicole B. Torcolini at Home ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Sun Feb 6 01:18:05 UTC 2011


In the toy department, if you find that your new dog is a big chewer and 
destroys most of the toys sold at most pet stores, try www.goughnuts.com.
What other types of supplies were you thinking about? Do you want a dog rain 
coat or a collapsible bowl?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.


> Hey Alex,
>
> Here are a couple places I've used personally:
>
> For dog food:
> http://www.petfooddirect.com (use guidedog in the coupon code for a 15% 
> discount)
> Or
> http://www.petflow.com (Even with their slightly higher prices, you may 
> saea couple bucks over Pet Food Direct)
>
> I have bought a crate here:
> http://www.drsfostersmith.com
> (Their site isn't the easiest thing to deal with, but it's OK)
>
> Also, this one has great prices on toys and bones and stuff:
> http://www.kingwholesale.com
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2011, at 7:47 PM, alex wrote:
>
>> thank you Tami,
>> may I ask where did you get your poodle from?
>> On 2011-02-05, at 7:40 PM, Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
>>
>>> Well said, Marsha!
>>>
>>> Alex, congratulations!
>>>
>>> It is true, we have been discussing some possibly questionable behavior 
>>> by
>>> Fidelco towards some consumers.  We also have happy Fidelco graduates, 
>>> like
>>> Hope, some of them repeat graduates and at least who is, if I recall
>>> correctly, in the process of retiring a current Fidelco dog and 
>>> returning
>>> there for a replacement.  We're not here to make your decisions for you 
>>> or
>>> to go around slamming guide dog programs, but the information that there 
>>> are
>>> questions might be useful to you if you wish to know more.
>>>
>>> Don't worry.  If you were headed for certain doom, we would just go 
>>> ahead
>>> and tell you. /grin/  We would, of course, respectfully leave the choice 
>>> of
>>> whether to walk off the cliff entirely up to you.  It would at least be 
>>> an
>>> informed choice! /lol/
>>>
>>> As for reading the archives...  It's probably not my place to say this, 
>>> but
>>> it's been pretty hectic on this list lately, and the dust is still 
>>> settling
>>> after some problems caused by a troller -- if that term is even in use
>>> anymore.  That's somebody who joins a discussion to cause trouble and 
>>> tick
>>> people off and stuff, then gets kicked out of the group and comes back 
>>> under
>>> a different name, and so on.  The moderators and others in leadership 
>>> have
>>> gotten this troller permanently out of hair, but recent archives are no
>>> doubt pretty messy and not representative of us as a group.  /smile/
>>>
>>> Anyway, welcome and best wishes.  I am looking to hear more from you as 
>>> you
>>> go.  As for me,  I am still on my first guide, an owner-trained poodle 
>>> named
>>> Mitzi.  She has just turned the corner from 4-1/2 to almost 5, and I am
>>> enjoying the experience of being an experienced (by my own lights) guide 
>>> dog
>>> handler with a mature, experienced dog.  Relative to this time last 
>>> year,
>>> and we just won't talk about the year before that...  Or the year before
>>> that ...  /lol/  We have had a fun adventure together, but I am glad to 
>>> be
>>> able to just sit back and enjoy the ride for awhile.  /smile/
>>> Owner-trainer, if that is a new term to you, means that I trained the 
>>> dog I
>>> own.  Some people use the term self-trained dog instead of owner-trained
>>> dog...  But not if they've actually done it.  /grin/  As we 
>>> owner-trainers
>>> like to remind people, the dogs don't train themselves!  /grin/
>>>
>>> Who retains legal ownership of the guide dog upon graduation at this 
>>> time
>>> varies from program to program.  It is true that at this time Fidelco 
>>> does
>>> retain legal ownership of the guide after you graduation from their 
>>> training
>>> and return home.  I apologize that I can't remember specifics.  Some
>>> programs retain legal ownership for a specific period of time, some for 
>>> the
>>> life of the dog (could be wrong there, but I think there is or has been
>>> one), others something in between.  Only two programs currently grant 
>>> legal
>>> ownership of the dog upon graduation from the program.
>>>
>>> Since I trained my own dog, I suppose I don't need to clarify my 
>>> preference
>>> on that score.  /smile/  Others feel differently and make their choices
>>> based on other factors.
>>>
>>> Changes in the overall system are another matter we all discuss, debate,
>>> argue, discuss...  /smile/  We're an opinionated lot here, but we do our
>>> best to respect others, except for when somebody gets excited about
>>> something and slips up there.  /smile/
>>>
>>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Marsha Drenth
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:05 PM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> If you feel as a person who is about to get a guide from a program, and 
>>> you
>>> have done all your homework, or in other words, you have made an 
>>> informed
>>> choice. And that is what is best for you then, that is what you need to 
>>> do.
>>> Yes there have been issues with Fidelco as of recently. But what is true 
>>> for
>>> the other people have issues with, may not be the same for you. Just 
>>> like
>>> some those on this list do not like GDB or TSE or Southeastern, it is 
>>> your
>>> choice. No one on this list can not say that you should not get a dog 
>>> from
>>> any program, but the ONLY point I will agree with Peter on is, that you
>>> should read the archives of the list. So you know what the issues of 
>>> Fidelco
>>> have been. Again this is informed choice. But if you have already seen 
>>> the
>>> list messages concerning Fidelco, and know what your getting into, and 
>>> that
>>> is what you want, and what you think is right to do, then go for it. 
>>> This is
>>> the same for those who do not like GDB, TSE or whatever school. We all 
>>> have
>>> our opinions, and others should respect that.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>> Co-Moderator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of alex
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:43 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>>>
>>> Peter are you saying that I should not get a guide dog from Fidelco?
>>> On 2011-02-05, at 1:01 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>>  You might also wish to read archives of this list concerning Fidelco's
>>>> ownership policy before following through with your plans to get a dog
>>> from
>>>> them. One way to stop the kind of behavior we've seen from our guide 
>>>> dog
>>>> programs is if people stopped seeking their services and use programs 
>>>> that
>>>
>>>> treat the blind in a more respectable fashion. Please consider this as 
>>>> a
>>>> general comment not an attack against anyone. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What type of supplies are you looking for? Fidelco provides all the
>>>> equipment needed-- harness, leash, brush, comb,  stationing mat,
>>> sterilized
>>>> bone,  etc.
>>>> Hope and Beignet from Fidelcos
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "alex" <AAAtlantic at aol.com>
>>>> To: <NAGDU at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 11:43 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] new guide dog.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hello all,
>>>>> I am going to get my second guide dog but this time from fidelco
>>> sometimes
>>>>> in march.  I am looking for websites that sales guide dog supplies.
>>>>> thank you all
>>>>> Alexander Atlantic
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