[nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

Sun Feb 20 20:51:18 UTC 2011

Hi Cheryl,
I learned about this from a Muslim store owner in my neighborhood.  He had 
no problem with my dog as long as my dog didn't touch him.  I was fine 
aboout that and I did ask him about that rule so I would know about it.  He 
told me about dogs being "unclean" and that a person had to wash before 
prayer. I thanked him for the explanation.  I think things go better if 
people are willing to ask and learn respectfully about other's cultures and 
religions.  I enjoy learning about these things.

BUT, I will NOT accept discrimination in a taxi where my dog is on the floor 
and making no contact with the driver. If I know someone is Muslim, I take 
extra care to ensure that my dog dosen't touch the person or his clothing.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

> It says in the Koran, that no man should eat from where the dog has 
> licked.
>
> We are not eating from the plate that the person is eating from.  My ex is 
> from Egypt as I mentioned I read and asked about the Koran.  We had dogs 
> they had dogs, but when the dogs kisses you, you wash your hands. If you 
> are sitting in the back seat of a car, that has nothing to do with 
> touching the dog.
>
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>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Doug Parisian<mailto:eggmann at mts.net>
>  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 7:16 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>
>
>  Both in the US and Canada, we have laws guaranteeing specific rights to 
> our
>  citizens and the beliefs of other cultures do not trump these rights.  I
>  have no plans to carry handwipes, or any other kind of wipes to folks who 
> do
>  not accept our laws, that is their problem, not mine.  With many cell
>  phones, one can take pictures of such offenders and use them for all 
> kinds
>  of subsequent actions.
>
>  Doug: Suck it up buttercup!
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name<mailto:buddy at brannan.name>>
>  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>  <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 5:51 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>
>
>  > Is it just me, or does the washing unclean objects/body parts/etc. 
> seven
>  > times sound a little obsessive compulsive?
>  > --
>  > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>  > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Lisa Irving wrote:
>  >
>  >>
>  >> Hi Dan,
>  >>
>  >> It can be exasperating when some one perceives their religious
>  >> preferences supersede the law.
>  >>
>  >> I've discussed this matter; guide dogs riding in cabs driven by Muslim
>  >> cab drivers. A Muslim friend of mine explained to me their hand 
> washing
>  >> rituals and why they frequently engage in this ritual. I get it. She 
> also
>  >> told me that the drivers who are insistant  that they won't transport 
> a
>  >> dog of any type, tends to be devout about his beliefs. Nevertheless, 
> she
>  >> agrees with me that such beliefs should not over ride laws. Together, 
> we
>  >> came up with a viable solution. I haven't been in a position where I 
> have
>  >> tried this.
>  >>
>  >> I'm all right carrying handy wipes and offering them to the devout
>  >> Muslim. It's a gamble. The devout Muslim faith isn't going to 
> disappear
>  >> anytime soon, nor are my rights as a person with a disability. So,
>  >> finding common ground and the middle plane seems to make logical
>  >> sense. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner"
>  >> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net<mailto:dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>>
>  >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>  >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>  >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:16 PM
>  >> Subject: [nagdu] And that reminds me of the cab driver issue
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> And on the subject of cab drivers, it is patently ridiculous that
>  >>> someone's
>  >>> supposed religious concerns should even be an issue for us. I'm
>  >>> referring to
>  >>> the Muslim cab drivers you mentioned.
>  >>> It just shows that our rights as blind people mean much less or 
> nothing
>  >>> at
>  >>> all when compared to some idiot cab driver.
>  >>>
>  >>> Dan W.
>  >>>
>  >>>
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