[nagdu] Guide Dog Handler Bill of Rights

[Cindy Ray]

Yes, but that isn't the point I was making. The point I was making is that you will never get absolutely everything you want in one of those; you won't in a dog school either, and you haev to decide what your priorities are. 

Another thing, this issue comes up over and over and over again. I think it is fine to discuss it, but clearly there is a wide range of opinions on the topic of ownership, and it hasn't seemed to be a high enough priority for us to find compromise on it and then go for it. The original issue which got this going had to do with Fidelco removing a dog from a handler for no just cause. That is an issue for sure, and that issue should be investigated, and if there are other schools that have done this, the cases should be documented and investigated as well. That's what got this going.

On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:

> Hello Cindy and everyone,
> 
>    There are far more colleges and universities to choose from then there 
> are guide dog training programs making finding the perfect fit more 
> achievable.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Handler Bill of Rights
> 
> 
> Oh, and don't get me wrong. I don't doubt that there is a need for change, 
> but we have to be unified on what we really want that change to be. Also, if 
> you are going to a college/university, or some other training, none has 
> absolutely everything you want. Why is a dog school going to be any 
> different.
> 
> On Jan 30, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> 
>> Hello Cindy and everyone,
>> 
>>   If I'm to change schools again I want everything I want! Most is not an
>> option. Otherwise there's no point in switching. This discussion has taken
>> place before as well.
>> 
>> Peter Donahue
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 7:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Guide Dog Handler Bill of Rights
>> 
>> 
>> Well, here are problems I see. There are issues about puppy raisers
>> communicating with alums, ownership, removing dogs without just cause from 
>> a
>> persobn. There are other issues. What is the tone of the appliation 
>> material
>> and class material. All of it used to be way more custodial than it is 
>> now,
>> even telling you what to bring for clothes and some other stuff. TSE used 
>> to
>> have more of a dress code than they do now. My first trip there I had a 
>> war
>> with the nurse because she would check out the key to the organ to me to
>> unlock the thing, and when we ordered pizza we didn't dish up our own.
>> Things have gradually improved. There are a lot of schools in the country,
>> and mostly they are good, reputable ones. One school will be doing 
>> something
>> that you are not happy with. A school will make you so mad that you may
>> decide to publicly blast the school to kingdom come; you can choose 
>> another
>> school and get most of what you want by way of doing so. Jordan hates The
>> Seeing Eye now because he went there once and had a bad experience for
>> whatever reason. He switched to GDB, with whom he is more compatible. I
>> wouldn't go there because I don't like the kind of relationship that seems
>> to exist with regard to puppy raisers or ownership. We can pretty much
>> choose what we want. So I think legislation doesn't make sense. Because
>> there are lots of options, and people are not on the same page, you will
>> have trouble gtting people (and I mean the users) to agree on what we are
>> working on. If one could get the Federation of Guide Dog Schools to have
>> pretty much the same policies on certain issues, that would be the route 
>> to
>> take. One very important issue would maybe be ownership, and certainly one
>> would be how they determine if a dog should be removed from you. I think 
>> the
>> removal of a dog without ause would certainly be a unifying position. That
>> might require some definitions, but within those there would need to be 
>> some
>> flexibility to be sure.
>> 
>> 
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