[nagdu] thoughts on policy alternatives

Cindy cindyray at gmail.com
Fri Jul 1 18:23:38 UTC 2011 

That would imply one strike you're out. If not guilty, why worry. I've ffound that i may have to live a little differently. If conventioon is too hard on my dog i'll leave him home.


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On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:08 PM, "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Albert,
>   so, how does your suggestion differ from the policy as it exists?
> 
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] thoughts on policy alternatives
> 
> 
> That is one great option for sure. I am still pondering marions request on
> how to sort out the bad apples. I would think that the hotel, or the
> organization itself would be able to have, certainly by now for as long as
> this has been an issue, kept a list of offenders, repeat offenders I should
> think, and if and when they attend a conference, as sort of a consequence of
> not properly attending to your dogs individual needs, whether that be
> cleaning up after them, hiring a dog sitter if your dog is not capable of
> being left alone for one reason or another, or as Marion shared, which was
> disturbing for sure, allowing their dogs to run freely in the hotel public
> areas,, as a condition of the offense, and I would wholeheartedly support a
> zero tolerance across the board, would be to withhold the special rates
> offered to members and members in good standing. i would think that hitting
> them in their purses would shift things just a little, at least that is
> where I would think to start changing the bad behavior. Consequences and
> rewards have dramatic impacts on all types of behavior.
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 1:38 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] thoughts on policy alternatives
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Here is a thought which has worked elsewhere.
> 
> Perhaps some of the guide dog school reps who attend the convention might be
> willing to have a room or rooms where they can baby sit dogs.  Ski for Light
> does this.  Trainers may wish to do this, for example, rather than attending
> the banquet.
> 
> Personally, I take Africa with me everywhere as I brought her and think it
> is my responsibility to use her and be with her at all times.  I recognize
> others feel differently and it is not my place to assume all will act as I
> do.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion Gwizdala
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 8:17 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] moderator notes
> 
> Albert,
>   Do you have any suggestions on how we should deal with the "bad apples"
> other than creating a policy, applicable to all, with specific remedies? I
> have heard a great deal of comments against the policy; however, none of
> those who disagree have offered an alternative.
> 
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 7:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] moderator notes
> 
> 
>> Well then perhaps the handlers should be banned rather then a whole
>> community who for the most part are more on top of their responsibilities.
>> It goes back to not letting one bad apple spoil the   whole bunch. Not
>> cleaning up after ones dog is unconscionable. /
>> 
>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> Founder
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>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>> New York, New York  10004
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>> doing it."
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 9:04 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] moderator notes
>> 
>> Dan,
>> 
>> Fleas were just the beginning. There were also issues of barking and not
>> cleaning up accidents.
>> 
>> Julie
>> On 6/30/2011 7:28 PM, Dan Weiner wrote:
>>> So let's see...some dogs had fleas and therefore the rule is not to leave
>>> your dogs unattended?
>>> Explain that one.
>>> 
>>> Dan W.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julie J.
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:42 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: [nagdu] moderator notes
>>> 
>>> Hey all!
>>> 
>>> Wow!   There are a ton of messages.  I haven't read through all of them
>>> yet.  I will.  In the meantime I wanted to interject a few things.
>>> 
>>> first and foremost, some of the messages have had a tone that is
>>> bordering
>>> on rude.  I am a very, very, strong advocate of letting people speak
>>> their
>>> mind.  However the writer *must* always be polite and keep
>>> the message          on thoughts, ideas, facts or plans.  It is
>>> absolutely not okay to flame an individual or even an organization.  Now
>>> before people go all crazy on me, please disagree to your hearts content.
>>> Please tell us all the things you don't like about the NFB.
>>> I'm all ears, but where I draw the line is when constructive
>>> critisism turns into just plain whining or worse.
>>> 
>>> So explain why it is that you don't agree with the policy.  Tell us an
>>> alternative that could work just as well or better to solve the problem
>>> of
>>> barking and other problems with guide dogs left unattended in hotel
>>> rooms.
>>> Tell us what you have done to ensure that your dog isn't barking even
>>> when
>>> you are not there to know for sure.
>>> 
>>> I also think it's important for people to know the history behind this
>> rule.
>>> It hasn't always been a policy of NAGDU and the NFB.  Many years ago at
>>> an
>>> NFB convention in a very nice hotel that had given us very nice room
>> rates,
>>> guide dogs came that had fleas and were generally a huge problem.  This
>>> hotel would not host our conventions ever again after their horrible
>>> experience.  It turns out that hotels, just like all other sectors of
>>> commerce, talk amongst each other.  It got around that guide dogs at
>>> convention were a problem.  Other hotels were very reluctant if not
>> outright
>>> opposed to hosting our conventions.  You will
>>> notice that NFB conventions get very, very good room rates.   A hotel
>>> cannot deny a guest with a guide dog access, but when you are talking
>> about
>>> an entire convention you are talking about a very different thing.  The
>>> excellent room rates were in jeopardy.  So NAGDU and the NFB came up with
>>> the plan to self regulate guide dog problems in order that the hotel
>>> would
>>> continue to give us the low room rates.  This is why you are asked to not
>>> leave your dog unattended, to clean up accidents or to
>>> get a NFB affiliated person to assist instead of hotel      staff.
>>> These policies were not dreamt up to single out guide dog users or to
>>> make
>>> our lives more difficult.  They were drafted after problems occurred that
>>> were affecting the entire organization.  So if there had been no fleas in
>>> the first place or no dogs barking like crazy in hotel rooms, we would
>>> not
>>> have these policies and would not be having this discussion right now.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for making this list great!
>>> Julie
>>> NAGDU list moderator
>>> 
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