[nagdu] FW: Attaching the Cane to the harness
Gloria G
gloria.graves at gmail.com
Tue Jul 19 20:22:24 UTC 2011
Hi,
I believe this was suppose to be an attachment. Will you please email it to
me again?
Thanks,
Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shannon L. Dillon" <shannonldillon at hotmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 3:02 PM
Subject: [nagdu] FW: Attaching the Cane to the harness
I think it's breed-related. Roger and I often travel together. I have a
German Shepherd and he has a golden retriever. He is constantly harassed by
people who want to pet his golden retriever, or who bring their troop of
kids up to pet him. My German shepherd gets the comments like Wayne talked
about. Or law enforcement personnel will come up to ask about her because
they like the breed and they think she's an unusual color. I don't get the
harassment that Roger has to put up with. And, as I said, we travel a lot
together, so it's not that we're traveling in such different areas.
SHANNON L. DILLON
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From: REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:48:31 +0000
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Attaching the Cane to the Harness
Guys, it's not the cuteness of the dog, but the cutenss of us humans!
Everybody understand now?
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:47 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Attaching the Cane to the Harness
I think it may have to do with the cuteness of the dog. With my first
guide,a yellow Lab, it seemed like we attracted people from every
direction and though I did have a sign, it didn't do any good. My
current guide,a German Shepherd, has still attracted some attention,
but there's a noticeable change in the numbers of people that will
venture over for a closer look, whether they're afraid of the GSD, had
a bad experience with a GSD, or some other reason. That's fine by me
though, :) Actually, I've been pleasantly surprised by the numbers of
those that still come up to me, even though the dog is one of those
"vicious breeds." Mostof them have said something like, "That dog
reminds me of my mom's brother's sister's aunt's uncle's cousin's
dog." The decrease in petting attempts might also have to do with
where I live too, since people seem to be more aware of disabilities
and service animals here, which is also nice to see.
Wayne
On 7/15/11, Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net> wrote:
> I've heard that a lot about the signs so just never bothered to get one.
> I've been noticing lately though that for some reason a number of people
> will ask very politely if it's okay if the say hello to my guide dog,
> but we've been refreshingly free of drive by petting. I wonder if it's
> just random chance or if something has changed. Not that I'm
> complaining. I always appreciate a polite request. Most of the time I
> agree to allow my super model rock star to accept the adoration of her
> fans, but the other day I decided it best to say no because we were in a
> restaurant, and the people were very understanding. WHo knew? /grin/
>
> On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 20:28 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>> I tried a sign for a while once. My experience was that people would
>> still
>> pet my dog, sometimes while reading the sign. So I gave it up as not much
>> more effective, if any more effective, than not having one.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>>
>> > And, make sure it says, do not pet, feed or talk to me in a color that
>> > one
>> > could see in the middle of the night...yeh, fluorescent.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Tina Thomas
>> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:18 AM
>> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Attaching the Cane to the Harness
>> >
>> > I like the idea of us selling a harness pouch. We could possibly
>> > design
>> > it
>> > so that there would be a space to attach a telescopic cane to the
>> > pouch.
>> >
>> > Tina
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Marion Gwizdala
>> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 5:07 AM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Attaching the Cane to the Harness
>> >
>> > Gary,
>> > I completely understand about not using your hands to gain
>> > information
>> > in a public bathroom! I don't even let my dog get too close to the
>> > urinals
>> > and, unless it is a very urgent situation, never use anything else! In
>> > fact,
>> >
>> > if you ever notice that paper towel behind the door, I dropped it there
>> > so I
>> >
>> > didn't need to touch the handle. Not everyone washes their hands in
>> > there,
>> > don't ya know!
>> > Frankly, I have gotten out of the habit of carrying my white cane
>> > with
>> > me since I broke my telescopic one. It's a bit challenging to tote a
>> > 69"
>> >
>> > length of carbon fiber around! Now I have one of the new NFB carbon
>> > fiber
>> > telescopic canes in its nifty little carrying case and I will be able
>> > to
>> >
>> > return to it.
>> > Since it has a carrying case, I am wondering if I could run a couple
>> > of
>> > zip ties through it at the seams and attach it to the handle of the
>> > harness.
>> >
>> > I'm going to check it out! I wonder if NFB sells the carrying cases
>> > separately!
>> > NAGDU has entertained the possibility of selling harness pouches as
>> > a
>> >
>> > fund raiser, so we will keep the idea of toting the cane in mind while
>> > deciding upon such a thing in the future.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "GARY STEEVES" <rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:35 PM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] carrying white cane
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello:
>> >>
>> >> This is slightly related to the email I'm responding to. :) I like to
>> >> have a cane with me even when I have Bogart for several reasons. The
>> >> most
>> >> notable I've come across is having to use public washrooms. Really
>> >> need
>> >> a
>> >> cane to find things rather than ones hands or feet.
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone rigged up a way of carrying a cane on the harness? I was
>> >> thinking of getting a longish ID cane so it would be light and thin
>> >> but
>> >>
>> >> would serve in case of emergency. I was hoping I could fit it in his
>> >> harness pouch but I think even my short ID cane is too long. Has
>> >> anyone
>> >>
>> >> thought up something ingenious that they would like to share?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Gary
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> >> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:06 am
>> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] attachment or anxiety separation
>> >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>
>> >>> Bibi,
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow. You sure have beeen through a lot recently. That alone, or
>> >>> so it
>> >>> seems to me, would make anyone more prone to anxiety in general. As
>> >>> would being without a white cane! I did once go for a time
>> >>> without a
>> >>> white cane after I lost my very first one somehow, so now I have a
>> >>> zillion canes and need to get to ordering a spare straight cane,
>> >>> as well
>> >>> as a new pocket cane, whether it's a telescoping nfb cane or a light
>> >>> foldup ambutech. /lol/ I trust my guide now and use her
>> >>> exclusively for
>> >>> nearly everything, but I don't want to get stuck without a dog
>> >>> or cane
>> >>> ever again! /lol/
>> >>>
>> >>> I haven't yet had to find out how I will cope with my guide's
>> >>> retirement, and I plan not to for another 5 or 6 years at the very
>> >>> least. Still... I feel very sad and get a twinge of separation
>> >>> anxiety
>> >>> just thinking about it. Heck, I get separation anxiety just
>> >>> leaving her
>> >>> at the groomers. Sad, but true. /smile/
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope your new cane arrives soon, and good on Dale for being your
>> >>> eyes in
>> >>> the meantime. My then-husband was, well, useless and also made a big
>> >>> deal about expressing the extent to which he just didn't know
>> >>> what my
>> >>> problem was and that I should just not go to work until a new cane
>> >>> arrived, but it was no hurry, there was some reason he was
>> >>> interfering
>> >>> with my attempts to acquire a new one, I can't even remember
>> >>> what it
>> >>> was. Thus, he is now the ex-husband. Argh! I did manage to get
>> >>> my hands
>> >>> on a support cane, which was better than nothing but not at all
>> >>> the same
>> >>> and it was too short, so it actually made life more difficult,
>> >>> especially since there was snow on the ground at the time, all nicely
>> >>> packed down even on the sidewalks and all icy and limpy, so... Well,
>> >>> having friends with brains around helped many times but I am
>> >>> glad you
>> >>> also have a cooperative , even helpful partner to assit in
>> >>> covering the
>> >>> gap. /smile/
>> >>>
>> >>> Best to you both, and to Odie as well.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tami
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 07:55 -0600, Criminal Justice Major
>> >>> Extraordinairewrote:
>> >>>> Hi, all,
>> >>>> Have any of you felt that big attachment toward your retired
>> >>> guide dog and
>> >>>> experienced anxiety separation?
>> >>>> It seems like I've been experiencing that lately and was
>> >>> hoping I wouldn't
>> >>>> be the only one.
>> >>>> I've found myself feeling all of that, especially when Odie is
>> >>> left at home.
>> >>>> On Saturday, Dale and I went to see a Cinderrella play live
>> >>> that my step
>> >>>> sister Sarah was in.
>> >>>> It was held in the theater inside the King Center on Auraria
>> >>> campus and
>> >>>> total amount of people was probably four hundred.
>> >>>> There was no way that Odie was probably going to handle it, so
>> >>> the hard
>> >>>> decision was to leave him at home for me at least.
>> >>>> While Dale and I were out with family, that's when it all hit me.
>> >>>> Yesterday was a different story however.
>> >>>> Odie was in his medical alert service dog vest walking with my
>> >>> husband.> I was using my support cane and walking ahead of the
>> >>> two men slowly and
>> >>>> carefully.
>> >>>> Odie began to move faster upon trying to bolt out in front of me.
>> >>>> I think he still felt that he needed to be my eyes and was
>> >>> concerned that I
>> >>>> was going to get hurt.
>> >>>> I'm in the process of getting a new fold up white cane through
>> >>> Ambutech.> unfortunately I had lost my current one, especially
>> >>> after the convulsive
>> >>>> grandmal seizures I dealt with two months in a row.
>> >>>> Thankfully, my husband told me he'd happily be my eyes until I
>> >>> can get my
>> >>>> replacement folding cane and be matched with a successor partner.
>> >>>> Bibi
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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From: REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 17:49:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
depends on how the product is demoed and who demos it.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie Phillipson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:28 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
They said this new device was not available until July 6th. which was while
the convention was still there. Its a new device and what the guy demoed
worked very well giving allot of detail of what is around you and
descriptions of things. Demo's are, or at least usually always better than
the real thing though.
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
>I was at Disney this May with my husband. I found the staff courteous but
>not knowledgable regarding the handheld devices. They kept trying to give
>me the close captioned for the hearing impaired. In fact, at A Bug's life
>we were marched down front so they could give me a stand for a close
>caption device even though I was using my cane. the first day I got a
>device the cast person had no idea how to use it and I took my first device
>being afraid to push any buttons. I also did not find the device worked in
>that many areas where I went so I finally quit getting them each day.
>
> The website is very difficult for me to navigate so I just let my sighted
> husband do all the research even though I am usually better at that type
> of thing.
>
> I did find the cast members very helpful and willing to do whatever they
> could to help me within their ability and knowledge.
> Brenda
>
> On 7/15/2011 8:22 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Since we were in Orlando for convention and Disney provided the talent
>> for our opening ceremonies, an official from Disney spoke to the
>> convention and demonstrated a hand-held device that helps orient blind
>> people to their park. It was very impressive and I cannot wait to take
>> our granddaughter to the Magic Kingdom sometime soon!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert J Rizzi"
>> <albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
>> ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
>>
>>
>>> Well, then reach out to Disney and share these thoughts with there legal
>>> team. It sounds as if Disney is doing what they need to do once they
>>> are
>>> asked to do it. so, if anyone feels inclined to stand up for the
>>> attention
>>> to detail and service provided as a blind customer, then help Disney by
>>> sharing your positive thoughts on the matter.
>>>
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York 10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who
>>> is
>>> doing it."
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jewel
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:34 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
>>> Resorts
>>> Discriminates Against Visually Impaired
>>>
>>> I'm scrsure, there's not Braille for everything...where is there? But
>>> I had no problem in the parks with my legally blind boyfriend (I am
>>> almost totally blind myself). Cast members helped us to the right
>>> line, helped us figure out food service lines, gave us a full menu via
>>> voice (even when there was a long line behind us) and in general were
>>> really great. I don't understand all of this lawsuit and I don't
>>> believe it is totally correct. I am wondering why these three were
>>> treated differently than jmy boyfriend and I were, because man we had
>>> an awesome time and all of the cast members were very helpful and
>>> patient with our needs. I used their new audio description service and
>>> it was very awesome...
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear more about this, because really I don't see wherre
>>> the problem is other than the lack of places for guide dogs to go...
>>>
>>> ~Jewelatching my head here...
>>>
>>> On 7/14/11, Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Huh. Wow. I am glad to hear that Disney is being held to account and
>>>> that these issues are being addressed. But...
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I'm starting to wonder: Why, at this stage in the game, are
>>>> there no monetary damages or even penalties assessed in cases like
>>>> these? I understand why this was the practice during the early years of
>>>> the ADA and the other laws that protect us and that grant us the access
>>>> we need to live as full citizens with the independence and freedoms
>>>> others take for granted. However... It's been 20 years. Businesses have
>>>> had plenty of time to learn the law, to upgrade their facilities, to do
>>>> all those things they are required by law to do so that we can spend
>>>> our
>>>> money enjoying the services and products they provide just like
>>>> everybody else. But according to the report of this single case, as
>>>> well
>>>> as reports of others and experiences elsewhere, they just haven't
>>>> bothered. Because they clearly don't have the incentive to obey the
>>>> law, instead requiring three blind women to take time and energy and
>>>> probably a fair amount of expense to sue them in order to have a court
>>>> tell them to do what they should and could have done in the first
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> I dunno. I'm new enough to blindness and learning how to face my own
>>>> smaller instances on a personal level, as well as to the movement and
>>>> the finer details of that history underlying the grand bursh stokes
>>>> I've
>>>> observed in passing on the service that I am still developing in my
>>>> personal philosophy about it all. Seing the surface of the work so many
>>>> others have been doing all these years so that I could have my
>>>> expectations crashed by realizing how much of what is on paper has
>>>> nothing to do with with the reality caused me a lot of shocks at first.
>>>> And they get away with all of this, do they? Still??? Now, I am over
>>>> feeling surprised, just sort of weary and jaded, learning how to pick
>>>> my
>>>> battles and learning from the battles of others. Well, recovering from
>>>> what passes for VR here in the great state of Oregon has pretty much
>>>> *been* my battle. As I continue that recovery of layer after layer of
>>>> what used to be my life, blidn and all, I can finally start developing
>>>> a
>>>> true strategic plan for how, where and when I can do my part to prevent
>>>> what happened to me from happening to others and to deal effectively
>>>> with the issues I will begin to face again as I move about more in the
>>>> world. So I'm doing a lot of cogitating about it all. And thinking that
>>>> including monetary damages when if comes to time to go to court is, by
>>>> now, a more effective plan than simply asking whoever it was who was
>>>> breaking the law to simply stop doing that. Hm...
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts. /smile/
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 09:08 -0400, Ginger Kutsch wrote:
>>>>> Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and Resorts Discriminates
>>>>> Against Visually Impaired
>>>>>
>>>>> Orman Kimbrough, Jr.Attorney
>>>>>
>>>>> (866) 735-1102 Ext 343Posted by Orman Kimbrough, Jr.July 13, 2011
>>>>>
>>>>> URL:
>>>>>
>>> http://orlando.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/class-action-plaintiffs-allege-
>>>>>
>>> disney-parks-and-resorts-discriminates-against-visually-impaired-.aspx?googl
>>>>> eid=291998
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A federal judge Dolly Gee has certified a class action lawsuit against
>>>>> Disney Parks and Resorts on behalf of plaintiffs Cari Shields, Amber
>>> Boggs
>>>>> and Teresa Stockton who claimed Disney discriminated against visually
>>>>> impaired guests. The lawsuit against Disney and its many theme parks
>>>>> does
>>>>> not seek monetary rewards, but was broken down into ten different
>>>>> classes
>>>>> in
>>>>> order to identify ten different issues that would have to be accepted
>>>>> as
>>>>> widely viewed complaints against those who are visually impaired and
>>>>> toured
>>>>> Disney theme parks such as Disney's MGM Studios. The Court reviewed
>>>>> complaints made in order to justify the requirement that enough guests
>>>>> have
>>>>> had the same experiences as the plaintiffs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The plaintiffs identified ten different classes as sources of issues
>>>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>> legally blind named in the class action suit against Disney. The Court
>>>>> ultimately found five to withstand all the requirements to be able to
>>> more
>>>>> forward with.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The plaintiffs alleged there is lack of Braille, large-print or other
>>>>> alternative signs, menus, maps and theme park schedules to be found
>>> around
>>>>> various Disney resorts. The plaintiffs have further alleged that
>>>>> Disney
>>>>> cast
>>>>> members have refused to read menus to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Disney argued that its park had designated areas for service animals
>>>>> to
>>>>> defecate within the park, but the Court sided with the plaintiffs on
>>>>> the
>>>>> inability to locate area for service animals to defecate. One
>>>>> plaintiff
>>>>> recalled being told by a Disney cast member that she must take her
>>> service
>>>>> dog to the kennel located at the front of the park, while another
>>>>> guest
>>>>> noted that the spot designated for service animals was extremely
>>>>> remote.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Courts agreed with the plaintiffs' allegations that Disney Parks
>>>>> refuses
>>>>> to offer cast members to assist visually impaired guests inside the
>>>>> park,
>>>>> and that they must bring someone with them and pay full price of
>>>>> admission.
>>>>> Disney had argued that those assisting visually impaired should be
>>>>> paid
>>>>> medical personnel and not friends or family that would otherwise enjoy
>>>>> amenities of the theme parks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The plaintiffs alleged discrimination against the visually impaired
>>>>> because
>>>>> some guests have been denied access to the handicap parade viewing
>>>>> areas,
>>>>> simply because they were not confined to wheelchairs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Court also agreed that Disney websites are incompatible with
>>>>> screen
>>>>> reading software that assists visually impaired. Flash on websites
>>>>> automatically renders screen reading software unusable as there was no
>>>>> alternative website compatible with those programs.
>>>>>
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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 13:58:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parksand
ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
FYI it was last July not this July that it was available. It is not perfect
yet, and there is some redoing at Walt Disney World. It is also there 40th
Anniversary in October.
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----- Original Message -----
From: PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)<mailto:REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parksand
ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
depends on how the product is demoed and who demos it.
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[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie Phillipson
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:28 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
They said this new device was not available until July 6th. which was
while
the convention was still there. Its a new device and what the guy demoed
worked very well giving allot of detail of what is around you and
descriptions of things. Demo's are, or at least usually always better
than
the real thing though.
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brenda" <bjnite at windstream.net<mailto:bjnite at windstream.net>>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
>I was at Disney this May with my husband. I found the staff courteous
but
>not knowledgable regarding the handheld devices. They kept trying to
give
>me the close captioned for the hearing impaired. In fact, at A Bug's
life
>we were marched down front so they could give me a stand for a close
>caption device even though I was using my cane. the first day I got a
>device the cast person had no idea how to use it and I took my first
device
>being afraid to push any buttons. I also did not find the device worked
in
>that many areas where I went so I finally quit getting them each day.
>
> The website is very difficult for me to navigate so I just let my
sighted
> husband do all the research even though I am usually better at that type
> of thing.
>
> I did find the cast members very helpful and willing to do whatever they
> could to help me within their ability and knowledge.
> Brenda
>
> On 7/15/2011 8:22 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> Since we were in Orlando for convention and Disney provided the
talent
>> for our opening ceremonies, an official from Disney spoke to the
>> convention and demonstrated a hand-held device that helps orient blind
>> people to their park. It was very impressive and I cannot wait to take
>> our granddaughter to the Magic Kingdom sometime soon!
>>
>> Fraternally yours,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert J Rizzi"
>> <albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
>> ResortsDiscriminates Against Visually Impaired
>>
>>
>>> Well, then reach out to Disney and share these thoughts with there
legal
>>> team. It sounds as if Disney is doing what they need to do once they
>>> are
>>> asked to do it. so, if anyone feels inclined to stand up for the
>>> attention
>>> to detail and service provided as a blind customer, then help Disney
by
>>> sharing your positive thoughts on the matter.
>>>
>>> Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>>> Founder
>>> My Blind Spot, Inc.
>>> 90 Broad Street - 18th Fl.
>>> New York, New York 10004
>>> www.myblindspot.org<http://www.myblindspot.org/>
>>> PH: 917-553-0347
>>> Fax: 212-858-5759
>>> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one
who
>>> is
>>> doing it."
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>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jewel
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 7:34 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and
>>> Resorts
>>> Discriminates Against Visually Impaired
>>>
>>> I'm scrsure, there's not Braille for everything...where is there? But
>>> I had no problem in the parks with my legally blind boyfriend (I am
>>> almost totally blind myself). Cast members helped us to the right
>>> line, helped us figure out food service lines, gave us a full menu via
>>> voice (even when there was a long line behind us) and in general were
>>> really great. I don't understand all of this lawsuit and I don't
>>> believe it is totally correct. I am wondering why these three were
>>> treated differently than jmy boyfriend and I were, because man we had
>>> an awesome time and all of the cast members were very helpful and
>>> patient with our needs. I used their new audio description service and
>>> it was very awesome...
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear more about this, because really I don't see wherre
>>> the problem is other than the lack of places for guide dogs to go...
>>>
>>> ~Jewelatching my head here...
>>>
>>> On 7/14/11, Tami Kinney
<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>> Huh. Wow. I am glad to hear that Disney is being held to account and
>>>> that these issues are being addressed. But...
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I'm starting to wonder: Why, at this stage in the game,
are
>>>> there no monetary damages or even penalties assessed in cases like
>>>> these? I understand why this was the practice during the early years
of
>>>> the ADA and the other laws that protect us and that grant us the
access
>>>> we need to live as full citizens with the independence and freedoms
>>>> others take for granted. However... It's been 20 years. Businesses
have
>>>> had plenty of time to learn the law, to upgrade their facilities, to
do
>>>> all those things they are required by law to do so that we can spend
>>>> our
>>>> money enjoying the services and products they provide just like
>>>> everybody else. But according to the report of this single case, as
>>>> well
>>>> as reports of others and experiences elsewhere, they just haven't
>>>> bothered. Because they clearly don't have the incentive to obey the
>>>> law, instead requiring three blind women to take time and energy and
>>>> probably a fair amount of expense to sue them in order to have a
court
>>>> tell them to do what they should and could have done in the first
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> I dunno. I'm new enough to blindness and learning how to face my own
>>>> smaller instances on a personal level, as well as to the movement and
>>>> the finer details of that history underlying the grand bursh stokes
>>>> I've
>>>> observed in passing on the service that I am still developing in my
>>>> personal philosophy about it all. Seing the surface of the work so
many
>>>> others have been doing all these years so that I could have my
>>>> expectations crashed by realizing how much of what is on paper has
>>>> nothing to do with with the reality caused me a lot of shocks at
first.
>>>> And they get away with all of this, do they? Still??? Now, I am over
>>>> feeling surprised, just sort of weary and jaded, learning how to pick
>>>> my
>>>> battles and learning from the battles of others. Well, recovering
from
>>>> what passes for VR here in the great state of Oregon has pretty much
>>>> *been* my battle. As I continue that recovery of layer after layer of
>>>> what used to be my life, blidn and all, I can finally start
developing
>>>> a
>>>> true strategic plan for how, where and when I can do my part to
prevent
>>>> what happened to me from happening to others and to deal effectively
>>>> with the issues I will begin to face again as I move about more in
the
>>>> world. So I'm doing a lot of cogitating about it all. And thinking
that
>>>> including monetary damages when if comes to time to go to court is,
by
>>>> now, a more effective plan than simply asking whoever it was who was
>>>> breaking the law to simply stop doing that. Hm...
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts. /smile/
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2011-07-14 at 09:08 -0400, Ginger Kutsch wrote:
>>>>> Class Action Plaintiffs Allege Disney Parks and Resorts
Discriminates
>>>>> Against Visually Impaired
>>>>>
>>>>> Orman Kimbrough, Jr.Attorney
>>>>>
>>>>> (866) 735-1102 Ext 343Posted by Orman Kimbrough, Jr.July 13, 2011
>>>>>
>>>>> URL:
>>>>>
>>>
http://orlando.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/class-action-plaintiffs-allege<http://orlando.injuryboard.com/miscellaneous/class-action-plaintiffs-allege>-
>>>>>
>>>
disney-parks-and-resorts-discriminates-against-visually-impaired-.aspx?googl
>>>>> eid=291998
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A federal judge Dolly Gee has certified a class action lawsuit
against
>>>>> Disney Parks and Resorts on behalf of plaintiffs Cari Shields, Amber
>>> Boggs
>>>>> and Teresa Stockton who claimed Disney discriminated against
visually
>>>>> impaired guests. The lawsuit against Disney and its many theme parks
>>>>> does
>>>>> not seek monetary rewards, but was broken down into ten different
>>>>> classes
>>>>> in
>>>>> order to identify ten different issues that would have to be
accepted
>>>>> as
>>>>> widely viewed complaints against those who are visually impaired and
>>>>> toured
>>>>> Disney theme parks such as Disney's MGM Studios. The Court reviewed
>>>>> complaints made in order to justify the requirement that enough
guests
>>>>> have
>>>>> had the same experiences as the plaintiffs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The plaintiffs identified ten different classes as sources of issues
>>>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>> legally blind named in the class action suit against Disney. The
Court
>>>>> ultimately found five to withstand all the requirements to be able
to
>>> more
>>>>> forward with.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The plaintiffs alleged there is lack of Braille, large-print or
other
>>>>> alternative signs, menus, maps and theme park schedules to be found
>>> around
>>>>> various Disney resorts. The plaintiffs have further alleged that
>>>>> Disney
>>>>> cast
>>>>> members have refused to read menus to them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Disney argued that its park had designated areas for service animals
>>>>> to
>>>>> defecate within the park, but the Court sided with the plaintiffs on
>>>>> the
>>>>> inability to locate area for service animals to defecate. One
>>>>> plaintiff
>>>>> recalled being told by a Disney cast member that she must take her
>>> service
>>>>> dog to the kennel located at the front of the park, while another
>>>>> guest
>>>>> noted that the spot designated for service animals was extremely
>>>>> remote.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Courts agreed with the plaintiffs' allegations that Disney Parks
>>>>> refuses
>>>>> to offer cast members to assist visually impaired guests inside the
>>>>> park,
>>>>> and that they must bring someone with them and pay full price of
>>>>> admission.
>>>>> Disney had argued that those assisting visually impaired should be
>>>>> paid
>>>>> medical personnel and not friends or family that would otherwise
enjoy
>>>>> amenities of the theme parks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The plaintiffs alleged discrimination against the visually impaired
>>>>> because
>>>>> some guests have been denied access to the handicap parade viewing
>>>>> areas,
>>>>> simply because they were not confined to wheelchairs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Court also agreed that Disney websites are incompatible with
>>>>> screen
>>>>> reading software that assists visually impaired. Flash on websites
>>>>> automatically renders screen reading software unusable as there was
no
>>>>> alternative website compatible with those programs.
>>>>>
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From: rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:29:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
Hi Gloria:
I am only a year out from getting my first dog. My best advice is try not
to get too worked up and nervous. It will go well. There will be some
trying times but not really that many. I think the key is to stay patient.
My dog, a poodle, was really one who tested me and people thought I was
extremely patient. I'm sure a few times I felt like throttling Bogart but,
of course, I never did. My dogs two things at school was not wanting to sit
or lie at the dinner table. It would be one chew, bogart sit down, chew
chew, bogart down, chew chew, sit bogart. The other weird thing he did was
while on leash in the school, often refuse to walk down the stairs. He would
stand on the landing and not move. Although I know now he isn't fond of
stairs (will always find the esculator or elevator in the subway rather than
the steep stairs) this was just his way of saying screw you, I'm the boss.
In reflection it was all pretty funny. He still has a bit of a stubborn
streak but is really special, guides well and is a good addition to our
family.
Have fun and it will all go wonderfully.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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> Hi Tommy,
> Wow, thanks for the weather up date. It is very hot where I am,
> but the idea of coming to rain is not to exciting, but the
> excitement of getting a guide and opening a new chapter in my
> life may be greater than the not so exciting weather forecast. I
> am nervous because I am sure there is a lot of info to take in
> and I am worried that I might forget some of the commands. I
> know it is just first time jittters and things will work
> themselves out, but that is where I am at this point. Thanks
> again for the tips.
> Gloria
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
> <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
>
>
> >Gloria,
> >
> >Welcome to the list and to the wide world of guide dog users. I
> always>love hearing from people off for their first dog; it's
> just so exciting
> >and I can never wait to hear of their ongoing adventures.
> >
> >If you're coming in a couple of weeks, Iw ould advise you to
> bring your
> >raincoat. And boots, good wet weather socks, a few sweaters, perhaps
> >even long johns. If you're looking for a break from summer's
> heat, you
> >will be coming to the right place! Or maybe by then we'll be having
> >summer or sojmething here?
> >
> >My name is Tami (Tammy, in case you're using JAWS), annd I live in
> >Portland, Oregon, not far from GDB's Oregon campus. I am
> working my
> >first guide, a 5-year-old owner-trained poodle named Mitzi.
> We're out in
> >the burbs these days and don't get into downtown much to do
> city slicker
> >work, but you'll be training in some great areas where Mitzi
> and I also
> >did some of our more advanced city and other training.
> Portland's a
> >great town, except for the part where it's the place where the
> sun don't
> >shine. /lol/
> >
> >Best wishes for you and your soon to be guide dog!
> >
> >Tami
> >
> >On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 16:14 -0500, Gloria G wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>My name is Gloria and I live in Iowa. I will be a first time
> guide dog user once I began training at the Guide Dogs for the
> Blind school in Organ in a couple of weeks. I am both excited
> and nervous about this new relationship with a guide dog. I was
> told by a friend of mine about this list serve and became very
> interested. I am hoping someone could give me suggestions on how
> to best prepare for a guide and things I should be aware of that
> I might not have thought of. I am grateful for any help that can
> be given.
> >>Gloria
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Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:06:34 -0400
Subject: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
Hello Guide Dog Users!
We have 30 donated gift bags for guide dogs and will be sending them out
August 1st. These gift bags consist of: one leather dog leash, one
stainless food - water bowl, one package of ear wipes, one nylon dymo bone
and a coupon for 20 pounds of dog food (four different types but only one
coupon per winner).
If we have thirty one or more requests then we'll have a drawing July 31st
and the first thirty will recieve the gift bags. If under thirty requests
then all will recieve them. No cost or obligation just have had them
donated and their only request is to pass the gift bags along to guide dog
owners.
If your interested in entering this then send us your name, mailing address
and if your one of the thirty winners we'll notify you to watch for your
package by email around August 4th.
Send us off list your information to
workerbee123 at earthlink.net
Good Luck Everyone,
David Wermuth and Guide Dog Bingo
--Forwarded Message Attachment--
From: blind411 at verizon.net
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:42:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
Mr. Wermuth,
I feel this is not an appropriate message for this list. The purpose of
this list is to further the goals of the National Federation of the Blind
and the National ASsociation of Guide Dog Users. Soliciting subscribers
contact information with the use of such an incentive is not in keeping with
these goals. Please do not make any further such solicitations on this list.
Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
813-626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG
HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <workerbee123 at earthlink.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "Advice
and support for blind cooks" <blind-cooks at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
> Hello Guide Dog Users!
>
> We have 30 donated gift bags for guide dogs and will be sending them out
> August 1st. These gift bags consist of: one leather dog leash, one
> stainless food - water bowl, one package of ear wipes, one nylon dymo bone
> and a coupon for 20 pounds of dog food (four different types but only one
> coupon per winner).
>
> If we have thirty one or more requests then we'll have a drawing July 31st
> and the first thirty will recieve the gift bags. If under thirty requests
> then all will recieve them. No cost or obligation just have had them
> donated and their only request is to pass the gift bags along to guide dog
> owners.
>
> If your interested in entering this then send us your name, mailing
> address and if your one of the thirty winners we'll notify you to watch
> for your package by email around August 4th.
>
> Send us off list your information to
> workerbee123 at earthlink.net
>
> Good Luck Everyone,
>
> David Wermuth and Guide Dog Bingo
> _______________________________________________
> nagdu mailing list
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From: workerbee123 at earthlink.net
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:59:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
Marion,
I and others have had enough of your crap over the last several years. Grow
up and quit trying to control everyone. The gift bag give away goes on even
if your going to pout about it. Thought you just turned 56 years old? your
acting like a ten year old!
workerbee123 at earthlink.net is the contact information again for those
wanting to get a guide dog gift bag (30 to give away) just send us off list
your Name and mailing address as posted in previous email!
David Wermuth and guide dog Bingo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
> Mr. Wermuth,
> I feel this is not an appropriate message for this list. The purpose of
> this list is to further the goals of the National Federation of the Blind
> and the National ASsociation of Guide Dog Users. Soliciting subscribers
> contact information with the use of such an incentive is not in keeping
> with these goals. Please do not make any further such solicitations on
> this list.
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> 813-626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <workerbee123 at earthlink.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>;
> "Advice and support for blind cooks" <blind-cooks at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:06 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
>
>
>> Hello Guide Dog Users!
>>
>> We have 30 donated gift bags for guide dogs and will be sending them out
>> August 1st. These gift bags consist of: one leather dog leash, one
>> stainless food - water bowl, one package of ear wipes, one nylon dymo
>> bone and a coupon for 20 pounds of dog food (four different types but
>> only one coupon per winner).
>>
>> If we have thirty one or more requests then we'll have a drawing July
>> 31st and the first thirty will recieve the gift bags. If under thirty
>> requests then all will recieve them. No cost or obligation just have had
>> them donated and their only request is to pass the gift bags along to
>> guide dog owners.
>>
>> If your interested in entering this then send us your name, mailing
>> address and if your one of the thirty winners we'll notify you to watch
>> for your package by email around August 4th.
>>
>> Send us off list your information to
>> workerbee123 at earthlink.net
>>
>> Good Luck Everyone,
>>
>> David Wermuth and Guide Dog Bingo
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.net
>
>
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From: workerbee123 at earthlink.net
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:01:59 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
You live in a glass house Marion? F OFF!
Author David Wermuth
"Suddenly Blind"
marketing at suddenlyblind.net
www.amazon.com
www.createspace.com/3532920
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
> Mr. Wermuth,
> I feel this is not an appropriate message for this list. The purpose of
> this list is to further the goals of the National Federation of the Blind
> and the National ASsociation of Guide Dog Users. Soliciting subscribers
> contact information with the use of such an incentive is not in keeping
> with these goals. Please do not make any further such solicitations on
> this list.
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> 813-626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <workerbee123 at earthlink.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; "Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>;
> "Advice and support for blind cooks" <blind-cooks at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:06 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
>
>
>> Hello Guide Dog Users!
>>
>> We have 30 donated gift bags for guide dogs and will be sending them out
>> August 1st. These gift bags consist of: one leather dog leash, one
>> stainless food - water bowl, one package of ear wipes, one nylon dymo
>> bone and a coupon for 20 pounds of dog food (four different types but
>> only one coupon per winner).
>>
>> If we have thirty one or more requests then we'll have a drawing July
>> 31st and the first thirty will recieve the gift bags. If under thirty
>> requests then all will recieve them. No cost or obligation just have had
>> them donated and their only request is to pass the gift bags along to
>> guide dog owners.
>>
>> If your interested in entering this then send us your name, mailing
>> address and if your one of the thirty winners we'll notify you to watch
>> for your package by email around August 4th.
>>
>> Send us off list your information to
>> workerbee123 at earthlink.net
>>
>> Good Luck Everyone,
>>
>> David Wermuth and Guide Dog Bingo
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
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From: tamara.8024 at comcast.net
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 18:40:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
Gay,
Yeah, I have really come to value that "screw you" attitude in Mitzi
because when we have an argument, she so often turns out to be right
even when I win. And it shows in really great things in her work that I
appreciate to no end. But I could still cheerfully strangle her I do
like the give and take in our partnership because it gives us so much
flexibility. And that crazy smart mind of hers is working all the time.
We haven't been downtown or doing and really city-type sidewalk and
traffic work forever, but she was pitch perfect. Incredible. I was so
proud of her I could hardly stand it. She worked a fuller day like that
and having to be totally perfect for the first time in way too long, and
DD said he could see her working to remember everything, which she did.
She was pretty zonked out when we got home, but still jumped up to go
out to dinner once we'd given Daisy a potty break. Love that
poodle. /grin/ /
She's really picky about insisting that I u se the right command for the
occasion, so when I forget commands or use the wrong one, she's just
totally uncooperative. /lol/ Except for left and right, which I don't
seem to have a 50 percent chance of getting right for some reason. Maybe
because I'm a lefty? Anyway, she knows which one I mean, either way, so
we're good there. /lol/
Tami
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 12:29 -0700, GARY STEEVES wrote:
> Hi Gloria:
>
> I am only a year out from getting my first dog. My best advice is try not
> to get too worked up and nervous. It will go well. There will be some
> trying times but not really that many. I think the key is to stay
> patient. My dog, a poodle, was really one who tested me and people
> thought I was extremely patient. I'm sure a few times I felt like
> throttling Bogart but, of course, I never did. My dogs two things at
> school was not wanting to sit or lie at the dinner table. It would be one
> chew, bogart sit down, chew chew, bogart down, chew chew, sit bogart. The
> other weird thing he did was while on leash in the school, often refuse to
> walk down the stairs. He would stand on the landing and not move. Although
> I know now he isn't fond of stairs (will always find the esculator or
> elevator in the subway rather than the steep stairs) this was just his way
> of saying screw you, I'm the boss. In reflection it was all pretty funny.
> He still has a bit of a stubborn streak but is really special, guides well
> and is a good addition to our family.
>
> Have fun and it will all go wonderfully.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:20 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>
> > Hi Tommy,
> > Wow, thanks for the weather up date. It is very hot where I am,
> > but the idea of coming to rain is not to exciting, but the
> > excitement of getting a guide and opening a new chapter in my
> > life may be greater than the not so exciting weather forecast. I
> > am nervous because I am sure there is a lot of info to take in
> > and I am worried that I might forget some of the commands. I
> > know it is just first time jittters and things will work
> > themselves out, but that is where I am at this point. Thanks
> > again for the tips.
> > Gloria
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
> > <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
> >
> >
> > >Gloria,
> > >
> > >Welcome to the list and to the wide world of guide dog users. I
> > always>love hearing from people off for their first dog; it's
> > just so exciting
> > >and I can never wait to hear of their ongoing adventures.
> > >
> > >If you're coming in a couple of weeks, Iw ould advise you to
> > bring your
> > >raincoat. And boots, good wet weather socks, a few sweaters, perhaps
> > >even long johns. If you're looking for a break from summer's
> > heat, you
> > >will be coming to the right place! Or maybe by then we'll be having
> > >summer or sojmething here?
> > >
> > >My name is Tami (Tammy, in case you're using JAWS), annd I live in
> > >Portland, Oregon, not far from GDB's Oregon campus. I am
> > working my
> > >first guide, a 5-year-old owner-trained poodle named Mitzi.
> > We're out in
> > >the burbs these days and don't get into downtown much to do
> > city slicker
> > >work, but you'll be training in some great areas where Mitzi
> > and I also
> > >did some of our more advanced city and other training.
> > Portland's a
> > >great town, except for the part where it's the place where the
> > sun don't
> > >shine. /lol/
> > >
> > >Best wishes for you and your soon to be guide dog!
> > >
> > >Tami
> > >
> > >On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 16:14 -0500, Gloria G wrote:
> > >>Hi,
> > >>My name is Gloria and I live in Iowa. I will be a first time
> > guide dog user once I began training at the Guide Dogs for the
> > Blind school in Organ in a couple of weeks. I am both excited
> > and nervous about this new relationship with a guide dog. I was
> > told by a friend of mine about this list serve and became very
> > interested. I am hoping someone could give me suggestions on how
> > to best prepare for a guide and things I should be aware of that
> > I might not have thought of. I am grateful for any help that can
> > be given.
> > >>Gloria
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>nagdu mailing list
> > >>nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
> > info for nagdu:
> > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/tamara.8024%40comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >nagdu mailing list
> > >nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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> > info for nagdu:
> > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com
> >
> >
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From: tamara.8024 at comcast.net
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:45:37 -0700
Subject: [nagdu] Ooops! Re: First Time Guide Dog User
Gary,
Sorry for the name change there! Can't type worth beans today, but I'm
not sure how I missed that in proofreading. Apparently, I can't proof
read worth beans, either. /smile/
Oh, I'd meant to mention that Mitzi is not a big fan of sitting or lying
down under tables, either. She started managing to do it without all the
fuss from me when she was nearly 4, and now she's pretty good at it when
she needs to be. Honestly, though, if I can I arrange to sit in a spot
where she can sit or stand without being int he way or disruptive. And,
of course, where she can watch what's going on. /smile/ She can lie
quietly under a table or beside my chair when the occasion requires it,
though, which I was beginning to think would *never* happen. So there is
hope for your poodle boy. I should warn you, it takes awhile to remember
thow to just eat and talk and enjoy a nice quiet dinner at a
restaurant. /lol/
Tami
Tami
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 18:40 -0700, Tami Kinney wrote:
> Gay,
>
> Yeah, I have really come to value that "screw you" attitude in Mitzi
> because when we have an argument, she so often turns out to be right
> even when I win. And it shows in really great things in her work that I
> appreciate to no end. But I could still cheerfully strangle her I do
> like the give and take in our partnership because it gives us so much
> flexibility. And that crazy smart mind of hers is working all the time.
> We haven't been downtown or doing and really city-type sidewalk and
> traffic work forever, but she was pitch perfect. Incredible. I was so
> proud of her I could hardly stand it. She worked a fuller day like that
> and having to be totally perfect for the first time in way too long, and
> DD said he could see her working to remember everything, which she did.
> She was pretty zonked out when we got home, but still jumped up to go
> out to dinner once we'd given Daisy a potty break. Love that
> poodle. /grin/ /
>
> She's really picky about insisting that I u se the right command for the
> occasion, so when I forget commands or use the wrong one, she's just
> totally uncooperative. /lol/ Except for left and right, which I don't
> seem to have a 50 percent chance of getting right for some reason. Maybe
> because I'm a lefty? Anyway, she knows which one I mean, either way, so
> we're good there. /lol/
>
> Tami
>
> On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 12:29 -0700, GARY STEEVES wrote:
> > Hi Gloria:
> >
> > I am only a year out from getting my first dog. My best advice is try
> > not to get too worked up and nervous. It will go well. There will be
> > some trying times but not really that many. I think the key is to stay
> > patient. My dog, a poodle, was really one who tested me and people
> > thought I was extremely patient. I'm sure a few times I felt like
> > throttling Bogart but, of course, I never did. My dogs two things at
> > school was not wanting to sit or lie at the dinner table. It would be
> > one chew, bogart sit down, chew chew, bogart down, chew chew, sit
> > bogart. The other weird thing he did was while on leash in the school,
> > often refuse to walk down the stairs. He would stand on the landing and
> > not move. Although I know now he isn't fond of stairs (will always find
> > the esculator or elevator in the subway rather than the steep stairs)
> > this was just his way of saying screw you, I'm the boss. In reflection
> > it was all pretty funny. He still has a bit of a stubborn streak but is
> > really special, guides well and is a good addition to our family.
> >
> > Have fun and it will all go wonderfully.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
> > Date: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:20 am
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >
> > > Hi Tommy,
> > > Wow, thanks for the weather up date. It is very hot where I am,
> > > but the idea of coming to rain is not to exciting, but the
> > > excitement of getting a guide and opening a new chapter in my
> > > life may be greater than the not so exciting weather forecast. I
> > > am nervous because I am sure there is a lot of info to take in
> > > and I am worried that I might forget some of the commands. I
> > > know it is just first time jittters and things will work
> > > themselves out, but that is where I am at this point. Thanks
> > > again for the tips.
> > > Gloria
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney"
> > > <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 7:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] First Time Guide Dog User
> > >
> > >
> > > >Gloria,
> > > >
> > > >Welcome to the list and to the wide world of guide dog users. I
> > > always>love hearing from people off for their first dog; it's
> > > just so exciting
> > > >and I can never wait to hear of their ongoing adventures.
> > > >
> > > >If you're coming in a couple of weeks, Iw ould advise you to
> > > bring your
> > > >raincoat. And boots, good wet weather socks, a few sweaters, perhaps
> > > >even long johns. If you're looking for a break from summer's
> > > heat, you
> > > >will be coming to the right place! Or maybe by then we'll be having
> > > >summer or sojmething here?
> > > >
> > > >My name is Tami (Tammy, in case you're using JAWS), annd I live in
> > > >Portland, Oregon, not far from GDB's Oregon campus. I am
> > > working my
> > > >first guide, a 5-year-old owner-trained poodle named Mitzi.
> > > We're out in
> > > >the burbs these days and don't get into downtown much to do
> > > city slicker
> > > >work, but you'll be training in some great areas where Mitzi
> > > and I also
> > > >did some of our more advanced city and other training.
> > > Portland's a
> > > >great town, except for the part where it's the place where the
> > > sun don't
> > > >shine. /lol/
> > > >
> > > >Best wishes for you and your soon to be guide dog!
> > > >
> > > >Tami
> > > >
> > > >On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 16:14 -0500, Gloria G wrote:
> > > >>Hi,
> > > >>My name is Gloria and I live in Iowa. I will be a first time
> > > guide dog user once I began training at the Guide Dogs for the
> > > Blind school in Organ in a couple of weeks. I am both excited
> > > and nervous about this new relationship with a guide dog. I was
> > > told by a friend of mine about this list serve and became very
> > > interested. I am hoping someone could give me suggestions on how
> > > to best prepare for a guide and things I should be aware of that
> > > I might not have thought of. I am grateful for any help that can
> > > be given.
> > > >>Gloria
> > > >>_______________________________________________
> > > >>nagdu mailing list
> > > >>nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
> > > info for nagdu:
> > > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/tamara.8024%40comcast.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_______________________________________________
> > > >nagdu mailing list
> > > >nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> > > info for nagdu:
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> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:19:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
Well Marion seat is up for election in 2012 come down to Dallas and vote on
someone else for President.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dave<mailto:workerbee123 at earthlink.net>
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
Marion,
I and others have had enough of your crap over the last several years.
Grow
up and quit trying to control everyone. The gift bag give away goes on
even
if your going to pout about it. Thought you just turned 56 years old?
your
acting like a ten year old!
workerbee123 at earthlink.net<mailto:workerbee123 at earthlink.net> is the
contact information again for those
wanting to get a guide dog gift bag (30 to give away) just send us off
list
your Name and mailing address as posted in previous email!
David Wermuth and guide dog Bingo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion Gwizdala"
<blind411 at verizon.net<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net>>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
> Mr. Wermuth,
> I feel this is not an appropriate message for this list. The purpose
of
> this list is to further the goals of the National Federation of the
Blind
> and the National ASsociation of Guide Dog Users. Soliciting subscribers
> contact information with the use of such an incentive is not in keeping
> with these goals. Please do not make any further such solicitations on
> this list.
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> National Federation of the Blind
> 813-626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG>
> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG<http://www.nagdu.org/>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave"
<workerbee123 at earthlink.net<mailto:workerbee123 at earthlink.net>>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>; "Blind Talk Mailing List"
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>;
> "Advice and support for blind cooks"
<blind-cooks at nfbnet.org<mailto:blind-cooks at nfbnet.org>>
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:06 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Free Guide Dog Gift Bags
>
>
>> Hello Guide Dog Users!
>>
>> We have 30 donated gift bags for guide dogs and will be sending them
out
>> August 1st. These gift bags consist of: one leather dog leash, one
>> stainless food - water bowl, one package of ear wipes, one nylon dymo
>> bone and a coupon for 20 pounds of dog food (four different types but
>> only one coupon per winner).
>>
>> If we have thirty one or more requests then we'll have a drawing July
>> 31st and the first thirty will recieve the gift bags. If under thirty
>> requests then all will recieve them. No cost or obligation just have
had
>> them donated and their only request is to pass the gift bags along to
>> guide dog owners.
>>
>> If your interested in entering this then send us your name, mailing
>> address and if your one of the thirty winners we'll notify you to watch
>> for your package by email around August 4th.
>>
>> Send us off list your information to
>> workerbee123 at earthlink.net<mailto:workerbee123 at earthlink.net>
>>
>> Good Luck Everyone,
>>
>> David Wermuth and Guide Dog Bingo
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From: julielj at neb.rr.com
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:28:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Kirby
Thank you for sharing this beautiful tribute to Miss Kurby! I hope her
next years are full of comfort and happiness.
Julie
On 7/12/2011 7:24 PM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
> Today was one I will not forget anytime soon. I took a short walk
> with my Kirby, and together, we understood this is too hard for her.
> She stumbles over objects on the sidewalk and can only safely move us
> around obstacles if they are at her eye level. Each time she failed
> to make a clearance, she jumped back and tried to self-correct, but
> she couldn't see the obstacles to successfully do so.
>
> I am going to do my best to remember the confidence in her pull as she
> found our driveway on the way home rather than focus on what she
> struggled with. Our last few steps together in harness were just as
> graceful and confident as every stride we have shared over the years,
> and I am going to hang onto that.
>
> Devastated is an understatement. She as rarely if ever worked over
> the last month, because I have been in denial, and I didn't want the
> constant reminder that it was time. I decided today that I would make
> the decision as to if she was fully retired when we arrived back home,
> and sadly, my lady cannot do what she loves anymore. Our bond is one
> that is so strong that she is at my side whenever I am home. She is
> my constant shadow, and she longs to be with me when I am away.
>
> This dog has my heart, just as her predecessor and her future
> successors will, though she has her own unique piece of it. Kirby is
> the dog who taught me to pause and enjoy the little things. She is
> the one who taught me to work hard and play even more hard. It is my
> hope and my dream that her retirement will be filled with enough hard
> play to help her not miss her work so much.
>
> Thank you for pairing my footsteps with pawprints for over four
> years. Thank you for soaking my tears in your coat when I felt lost
> in life. Thank you for the many times you refused to go into the
> street when I told you to, because a last minute car blew a light or
> turned in front of us. Thank you for making it through those first
> two years together. You gave me a run for my money, but all of the
> work was worth it, because in the end, together, we were perfection.
> I want you to understand that though you are retired, though
> eventually I will move your harness from the hook by the door, I will
> never let go of the bond we share. No one will ever replace you. My
> new guide will do things differently, and I will always remember your
> grace, your kindness, your doubtless devotion and faith...I love you
> Kirby Lee!
>
> Let's hang up the harness, play some fetch, romp at the lake shore and
> race through the sunshine. You are staying right here beautiful one,
> and I will make your world meaningful again.
>
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From: julielj at neb.rr.com
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 07:42:09 -0500
Subject: [nagdu] (no subject)
Rebecca ,
I'd suggest you contact Marion off list about your idea. Personally,
I'm not sure it's a good idea to dredge up unpleasantness from the
past. I think letting it go and moving on is probably better, but who
knows? Perhaps the time has come to revisit it so we can move forward.
At any rate, I don't think anyone on the public list is going to be able
to assist you with your idea.
Best,
Julie
On 7/13/2011 7:25 AM, PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC) wrote:
> Guys, I'm serious. I'd be very interested in researching and writing this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 8:08 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Note from the moderator in regards to:If you don't
> like the policies
>
> Hmmm, I do like that idea Rebecca/grin. You may want to consider the
> second
> part...and those who are walking a fine line today/evil grin!
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:00 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Note from the moderator in regards to:If you don't
> like
> the policies
>
> So, I'll ask it again
> Anybody interested in a "where are they now" article about the people that
> got NFB banned in 1994?
> I'd be willing to write it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marsha Drenth
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:32 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Note from the moderator in regards to:If you don't like
> the
> policies
>
> List,
>
> I know I am seriously late in responding. I was at the NFB convention, and
> because of the huge amounts of emails being generated by lists, I could
> not
> keep up. So now that I am home, I can respond.
>
> Since I am a moderator and Julie is not here to speak at this time. I will
> comment.
>
> We do not object to anyone giving or sharing their opinion. But when its
> bashing of the NFB that is where the line is drawn. I have read the
> messages
> on this thread. The NFB has these policies for a reason. And no you do not
> have to agree with them.
>
> I have noticed some off topic posts in this thread, please lets say on
> topic. And people be nice to each other.
>
> I also do agree, that to be a good blind person is not to always agree
> with
> everything the NFB or any other organization does. If we were to blindly
> follow all the time, nothing would change. If you are interested in
> getting
> this policy or any other policy changed, then go to the NAGDU meetings,
> get
> involved, and run for office, do something about it. Do not bash, don't
> moan
> and groan about it, change it.
>
> As a moderator, I won't allow anyone to bash another person, that is the
> same as bashing the NFB. You can state your opinion, you can disagree all
> you want, but be respectful!
>
> Marsha Drenth
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Shannon Dyer
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:04 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] If you don't like the policies
>
> Cheryl,
>
> I'm not sure if you're intending to come across this way, but you're
> making
> it sound as if people are not welcome to express their opinions on this
> list. Not everyone is going to agree with every policy an organization
> sets
> forth, and many will choose to express their opinions. The last time I
> checked, this was not a list where we were spoonfed thoughts and expected
> to
> swallow them without uttering a word of complaint. Saying that a topic is
> stupid implies a lack of respect for the people participating in the
> topic.
> I, for one, object to this.
>
> Julie, as list moderator, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts
> on
> this. Are we, or, are we not, allowed to express opinions that are not in
> agreement with current policies set forth by the NFB?
>
> Shannon and Caroline
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon
> until
> three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point
> your media player to:
> http://mojoradio.us/listen
> or
> www.mintfm.net
>
> On Jun 30, 2011, at 3:00 PM, cheryl echevarria wrote:
>
>> Come to the National Convention when the Officers are up for elections
>> and
> run, in the mean time, Marion Gwizdala is the President of this division,
> and we follow the policies.
>>
>> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>>
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From: julielj at neb.rr.com
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:56:28 -0500
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Attaching the Cane to the Harness
Buddy,
Yup, this was my experience too. The sign I used even had a picture of
a dog's head with a hand reaching to pet and a giant red slash through
the whole thing. Even if the person couldn't read or had difficulty
with English, the picture should have been clear. Unfortunately what
seems very obvious to me isn't to everyone else. *sigh*
Julie
On 7/15/2011 7:28 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> I tried a sign for a while once. My experience was that people would still
> pet my dog, sometimes while reading the sign. So I gave it up as not much
> more effective, if any more effective, than not having one.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
>
>> And, make sure it says, do not pet, feed or talk to me in a color that
>> one
>> could see in the middle of the night...yeh, fluorescent.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Tina Thomas
>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:18 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Attaching the Cane to the Harness
>>
>> I like the idea of us selling a harness pouch. We could possibly design
>> it
>> so that there would be a space to attach a telescopic cane to the pouch.
>> Tina
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 5:07 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Attaching the Cane to the Harness
>>
>> Gary,
>> I completely understand about not using your hands to gain
>> information
>> in a public bathroom! I don't even let my dog get too close to the
>> urinals
>> and, unless it is a very urgent situation, never use anything else! In
>> fact,
>>
>> if you ever notice that paper towel behind the door, I dropped it there
>> so I
>>
>> didn't need to touch the handle. Not everyone washes their hands in
>> there,
>> don't ya know!
>> Frankly, I have gotten out of the habit of carrying my white cane
>> with
>> me since I broke my telescopic one. It's a bit challenging to tote a 69"
>> length of carbon fiber around! Now I have one of the new NFB carbon fiber
>> telescopic canes in its nifty little carrying case and I will be able to
>> return to it.
>> Since it has a carrying case, I am wondering if I could run a couple
>> of
>> zip ties through it at the seams and attach it to the handle of the
>> harness.
>>
>> I'm going to check it out! I wonder if NFB sells the carrying cases
>> separately!
>> NAGDU has entertained the possibility of selling harness pouches as a
>> fund raiser, so we will keep the idea of toting the cane in mind while
>> deciding upon such a thing in the future.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "GARY STEEVES"<rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:35 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] carrying white cane
>>
>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> This is slightly related to the email I'm responding to. :) I like to
>>> have a cane with me even when I have Bogart for several reasons. The
>>> most
>>> notable I've come across is having to use public washrooms. Really need
>>> a
>>> cane to find things rather than ones hands or feet.
>>>
>>> Has anyone rigged up a way of carrying a cane on the harness? I was
>>> thinking of getting a longish ID cane so it would be light and thin but
>>> would serve in case of emergency. I was hoping I could fit it in his
>>> harness pouch but I think even my short ID cane is too long. Has anyone
>>> thought up something ingenious that they would like to share?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tami Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>>> Date: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:06 am
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] attachment or anxiety separation
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>> Bibi,
>>>>
>>>> Wow. You sure have beeen through a lot recently. That alone, or
>>>> so it
>>>> seems to me, would make anyone more prone to anxiety in general. As
>>>> would being without a white cane! I did once go for a time
>>>> without a
>>>> white cane after I lost my very first one somehow, so now I have a
>>>> zillion canes and need to get to ordering a spare straight cane,
>>>> as well
>>>> as a new pocket cane, whether it's a telescoping nfb cane or a light
>>>> foldup ambutech. /lol/ I trust my guide now and use her
>>>> exclusively for
>>>> nearly everything, but I don't want to get stuck without a dog
>>>> or cane
>>>> ever again! /lol/
>>>>
>>>> I haven't yet had to find out how I will cope with my guide's
>>>> retirement, and I plan not to for another 5 or 6 years at the very
>>>> least. Still... I feel very sad and get a twinge of separation anxiety
>>>> just thinking about it. Heck, I get separation anxiety just
>>>> leaving her
>>>> at the groomers. Sad, but true. /smile/
>>>>
>>>> Hope your new cane arrives soon, and good on Dale for being your
>>>> eyes in
>>>> the meantime. My then-husband was, well, useless and also made a big
>>>> deal about expressing the extent to which he just didn't know
>>>> what my
>>>> problem was and that I should just not go to work until a new cane
>>>> arrived, but it was no hurry, there was some reason he was interfering
>>>> with my attempts to acquire a new one, I can't even remember
>>>> what it
>>>> was. Thus, he is now the ex-husband. Argh! I did manage to get
>>>> my hands
>>>> on a support cane, which was better than nothing but not at all
>>>> the same
>>>> and it was too short, so it actually made life more difficult,
>>>> especially since there was snow on the ground at the time, all nicely
>>>> packed down even on the sidewalks and all icy and limpy, so... Well,
>>>> having friends with brains around helped many times but I am
>>>> glad you
>>>> also have a cooperative , even helpful partner to assit in
>>>> covering the
>>>> gap. /smile/
>>>>
>>>> Best to you both, and to Odie as well.
>>>>
>>>> Tami
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2011-07-12 at 07:55 -0600, Criminal Justice Major
>>>> Extraordinairewrote:
>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>> Have any of you felt that big attachment toward your retired
>>>> guide dog and
>>>>> experienced anxiety separation?
>>>>> It seems like I've been experiencing that lately and was
>>>> hoping I wouldn't
>>>>> be the only one.
>>>>> I've found myself feeling all of that, especially when Odie is
>>>> left at home.
>>>>> On Saturday, Dale and I went to see a Cinderrella play live
>>>> that my step
>>>>> sister Sarah was in.
>>>>> It was held in the theater inside the King Center on Auraria
>>>> campus and
>>>>> total amount of people was probably four hundred.
>>>>> There was no way that Odie was probably going to handle it, so
>>>> the hard
>>>>> decision was to leave him at home for me at least.
>>>>> While Dale and I were out with family, that's when it all hit me.
>>>>> Yesterday was a different story however.
>>>>> Odie was in his medical alert service dog vest walking with my
>>>> husband.> I was using my support cane and walking ahead of the
>>>> two men slowly and
>>>>> carefully.
>>>>> Odie began to move faster upon trying to bolt out in front of me.
>>>>> I think he still felt that he needed to be my eyes and was
>>>> concerned that I
>>>>> was going to get hurt.
>>>>> I'm in the process of getting a new fold up white cane through
>>>> Ambutech.> unfortunately I had lost my current one, especially
>>>> after the convulsive
>>>>> grandmal seizures I dealt with two months in a row.
>>>>> Thankfully, my husband told me he'd happily be my eyes until I
>>>> can get my
>>>>> replacement folding cane and be matched with a successor partner.
>>>>> Bibi
>>>>>
>>>>>
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