[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8

Nicole B. Torcolini at Home ntorcolini at wavecable.com
Wed Jun 8 00:10:36 UTC 2011


Memorize the phone number of the non-emergency police or put it in your cell 
phone.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8


> Just to clarify, this particular situation is most certainly one for 911,
> but if you were refused access to any other place of public accommodation?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Steven Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:27 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8
>
> (\911? Interesting.  I unbderstand being attacked, but being refused 
> access
> makes me cringe in how 911 is being for a non-emergent situation. 
> Thoughts
> folks?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of holly mcknight
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 1:28 PM
> To: nagdu
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8
>
>
> Hello all, Needles to say, after reading the story about a dog being 
> forced
> to ride in the trunk of a cab, in Denver of all places, I'm livid!! Denver
> has a huge blind population, and that never should hapend.  I know we at 
> GDB
> are taught that if we are attacked or refused access due to our dog, we 
> are
> to call 911.  Was that done?  I know my dog is like my child, and there is
> no in ever that I would have let someone put her inthe trunk!! No place is
> that important where I wouldn't be able to call for another cab if a 
> driver
> tried to do that.  I really hope this situation shows people what to do in
> the future.  Holly and Pollyann
>
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>> Subject: nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 12:00:12 -0500
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Motivation update (Tracy Carcione)
>> 2. hotline conference call (Tina Thomas)
>> 3. Re: hotline conference call (Margo and Arrow)
>> 4. Re: Motivation update (Sheila Leigland)
>> 5. Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Ginger Kutsch)
>> 6. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Cindy Ray)
>> 7. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Sheila Leigland)
>> 8. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Julie Phillipson)
>> 9. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Pawpower Creations)
>> 10. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Katherine Lawson)
>> 11. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
>> 12. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
>> 13. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
>> 14. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> (PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC))
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:10:07 -0400
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] Motivation update
>> Message-ID: <a6e2d141c6fa59983bfb4bc224323255.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Sheila.
>> Yep, they're all different. Keeps you on your toes, ay?
>> I tried the stop-and-pat routine with Ben, because it worked so well with
>> Echo, and he was like "yeah yeah let's get moving". A trainer told me
>> that some dogs find just trucking down the road rewarding by itself, and
>> Ben is one of them. "Places to go, things to sniff."
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:14:15 -0700
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] hotline conference call
>> Message-ID: <015901cc2486$4fa20ea0$eee62be0$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hello folks, I thought we had a hotline conference call scheduled for
> today.
>> Where is everybody?
>> Tina
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:22:15 -0400
>> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotline conference call
>> Message-ID: <5DDA7A181F9641D590BD6FA91FB0899F at meandmyarrow>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I also thought the meeting was today and I called Marion and he didn't
>> recall the date and time and called Hingson and just got his machine.
>>
>> Hmmm. Not sure what to do now.
>>
>> guess we'll wait and hear from Mike.
>>
>> Margo and
>> Arrow
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:14 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] hotline conference call
>>
>>
>> > Hello folks, I thought we had a hotline conference call scheduled for
>> > today.
>> > Where is everybody?
>> > Tina
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:38:25 -0600
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Motivation update
>> Message-ID: <auto-000284489844 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> You got that right. Tres loves to go but also has to sniff to find out 
>> who
> else has been around.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:18:03 -0400
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <043b01cc24fc$304f6590$90ee30b0$@yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>>
>> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>>
>> June 6, 2011
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
>> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>>
>>
>>
>> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
> he's
>> been her lifeline for the past four years.
>>
>>
>>
>> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>>
>>
>>
>> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
> initially
>> refused to transport her with Alberto.
>>
>>
>>
>> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
> drive
>> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
>> Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
>> wrong," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
>> together in taxis.
>>
>>
>>
>> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
> them
>> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>>
>>
>>
>> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
>> fined by the state.
>>
>>
>>
>> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
> ever
>> since.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And 
>> I
>> want it back," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to
> 10
>> times per week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:07:47 -0500
>> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <A7957441-A463-4F94-87EB-FEF1D9948949 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I think it might have been a hard ting to do, but late is what I would
> have been for the appointment. But you know, in the moment, it is hard to
> say. Of course the bottom line is that the operator of the taxi operated 
> out
> of the law when he did what he did to her. I hope if I ever face such
> treatment I will be strong enough to say no way dude.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:05:48 -0600
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <auto-000284706941 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> That's awful and completely shameful. The driver should be fired.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:44:58 -0400
>> From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <83CE2621CD2A4825A1C66A0A60913431 at acer4d025c48b8>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> no way would I allow this. I have to say I have been asked this at least
>> twice before, most recently two weeks ago by someone who should know
> better.
>> Julie Phillipson
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:18 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>>
>> > Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> >
>> > Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>> >
>> > Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>> >
>> > June 6, 2011
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put 
>> > her
>> > guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
>> > he's
>> > been her lifeline for the past four years.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
>> > initially
>> > refused to transport her with Alberto.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
>> > drive
>> > her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
>> > Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was 
>> > terribly
>> > wrong," said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to 
>> > ride
>> > together in taxis.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
>> > them
>> > a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
>> > fined by the state.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
>> > ever
>> > since.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. 
>> > And
> I
>> > want it back," said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three 
>> > to
>
>> > 10
>> > times per week.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nagdu mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:08:34 -0500
>> From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <AAF7118F2E8244E481D8DD4F7B54D4FB at BobBlacknerPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> This is crazy. There is absolutely no circumstance in which I would allow
>> this to happen. Living in New Orleans we have lots of access issues with
>> cabs, and I have been asked this before also. I usually latch on to the
>> door of the cab or something, and if they want to make an issue out of it
>> they can call their dispatcher, or the police and confirm that this is 
>> the
>> law, or I will call for them. I can't believe the nerve of some people.
>> Asking you to stuff your service dog in the trunk like a piece of 
>> luggage?
>> Absolutely outrageous!
>>
>>
>> Woofs and wags from the pawpower pack,
>> Queen Vristol, Mill'E to the max, Rudy the dude, and baby girl Laveau.
>>
>> Pawpower Creations,
>> Bob Blackner/Rox'e Homstad,
>> 504-312-2609
>> pawpower at cox.net
>> www.pawpowercreations.com
>>
>> Custom made guide dog equipment,
>> products designed with you and your canine in mind.
>>
>> I asked for strength that I might rear her perfectly;
>> I was given weakness that I might feed her more treats.
>>
>> I asked for good health that I might rest easy;
>> I was given a "special needs" dog that I might know nurturing.
>>
>> I asked for an obedient dog that I might feel proud;
>> I was given stubbornness that I might feel humble.
>>
>> I asked for compliance that I might feel masterful;
>> I was given a clown that I might laugh.
>>
>> I asked for a companion that I might not feel lonely;
>> I was given a best friend that I would feel loved.
>>
>> I got nothing I asked for,
>> But everything that I needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Author unknown
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:09:39 +0100
>> From: Katherine Lawson <kate.a.lawson at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <BANLkTikT-=3CuQiqrrJ9iYbGai+bqczoLg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> That is not acceptable. The driver should receive additional training
>> as well as a suspension. If that has no effect, then he clearly should
>> not be behind the wheel of a vehicle for hire (that anyone should be
>> able to hire).
>> Would you put your child in the trunk if a taxi driver asked you to? I
>> don't think so. If this ever happens to me, the driver and company he
>> works for will end up begging me to shut up. lol
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Julie Phillipson <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> > no way would I allow this. ?I have to say I have been asked this at
> least
>> > twice before, most recently two weeks ago by someone who should know
> better.
>> > Julie Phillipson
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginger Kutsch"
> <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:18 AM
>> > Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> >
>> >
>> >> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> >>
>> >> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>> >>
>> >> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>> >>
>> >> June 6, 2011
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put
> her
>> >> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
>> >> he's
>> >> been her lifeline for the past four years.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
>> >> initially
>> >> refused to transport her with Alberto.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
>> >> drive
>> >> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
>> >> Brown.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was
> terribly
>> >> wrong," said Brown.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to
> ride
>> >> together in taxis.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you 
>> >> deny
>> >> them
>> >> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended 
>> >> and
>> >> fined by the state.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
>> >> ever
>> >> since.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry.
> And I
>> >> want it back," said Brown.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three
> to
>> >> 10
>> >> times per week.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> nagdu mailing list
>> >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>> >
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:49:53 -0700
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <7EA43C24967C4F67B99B9FDC99957AD1 at tamidesktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Good heavens! What a terrible position to be in. Hard to say what I would
>> do, having not had to make that choice when I have to get somewhere in a
>> hurry and don't have time to wait for another cab... Stuffing the driver
> in
>> the trunk sounds like a good option... Only I don't have the muscles for
>> it. /evil grin/
>>
>> Now I remember why I fret over not having an iPhone! We broke down and 
>> got
> a
>> cheapo cell phone for safety, and I think it does have a camera... Must
>> learn to use it before I go out again!
>>
>> So the driver has been suspended... Oh, and fined. So that's a plus. It
>> didn't say how much, though. Maybe if other like-minded cabbies knew what
>> the consequences of their bad acts would be, they would be more motivated
> to
>> shape up and follow the law? Just a thought.
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Ginger Kutsch
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:18 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>>
>> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>>
>> June 6, 2011
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
>> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>>
>>
>>
>> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
> he's
>> been her lifeline for the past four years.
>>
>>
>>
>> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>>
>>
>>
>> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
> initially
>> refused to transport her with Alberto.
>>
>>
>>
>> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
> drive
>> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
>> Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
>> wrong," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
>> together in taxis.
>>
>>
>>
>> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
> them
>> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>>
>>
>>
>> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
>> fined by the state.
>>
>>
>>
>> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
> ever
>> since.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And 
>> I
>> want it back," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to
> 10
>> times per week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>>
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>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:56:28 -0700
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <921FEF6220EE46D98FB87CD3077F59F0 at tamidesktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yeah, I hope so, too! Still, that is a terrible position to be put in...
>> Especially since showing up late when you're blind no matter what the
> cause
>> seems to be a capital offense, so there's a lot more pressure to overcome
>> all obstacles no matter what.. If what you're hoping to gain from the
>> appointment (health, life, resources, employment...) is important enough
> to
>> me, would I be stong enough to stand up for my dog first? I hope so! I
>> tend to go straight to fury when someone does something illegal -- or 
>> just
>> socially unacceptable -- to put me in a bind because they have something 
>> I
>> need just because I'm blind and they're not... It's generally a nice, 
>> cold
>> fury, so that comes in handy in deciding what to do. /evil grin/ Still, I
>> hope never to have to make that sort of choice.
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:08 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> I think it might have been a hard ting to do, but late is what I would
> have
>> been for the appointment. But you know, in the moment, it is hard to say.
> Of
>> course the bottom line is that the operator of the taxi operated out of
> the
>> law when he did what he did to her. I hope if I ever face such treatment 
>> I
>> will be strong enough to say no way dude.
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:57:45 -0700
>> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <4E86EAD85DBB42959EE61BAEB6BE9C62 at tamidesktop>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> You're kidding! What is wrong with people? What even causes someone to
>> think that way?
>>
>> Sorry you had to deal with it. Glad you stood strong!
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Julie Phillipson
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:45 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> no way would I allow this. I have to say I have been asked this at least
>> twice before, most recently two weeks ago by someone who should know
> better.
>> Julie Phillipson
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:18 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>>
>> > Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> >
>> > Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>> >
>> > Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>> >
>> > June 6, 2011
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put 
>> > her
>> > guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
>> > he's
>> > been her lifeline for the past four years.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
>> > initially
>> > refused to transport her with Alberto.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
>> > drive
>> > her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
>> > Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was 
>> > terribly
>> > wrong," said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to 
>> > ride
>> > together in taxis.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
>> > them
>> > a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
>> > fined by the state.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
>> > ever
>> > since.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. 
>> > And
> I
>> > want it back," said Brown.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three 
>> > to
>
>> > 10
>> > times per week.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>> >
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:58:00 +0000
>> From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>> Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC78125F135C at TSEAMB02>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Maybe off topic but if anybody has ideas on how to take a good picture
> when you're totally blind, please pass them on.
>> The camera functionality of the Iphone is accessable, but how do you
> position yourself and the camera to get what you want?
>> Tami knows all about what happened last time I used a camera:)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:50 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> Good heavens! What a terrible position to be in. Hard to say what I would
>> do, having not had to make that choice when I have to get somewhere in a
>> hurry and don't have time to wait for another cab... Stuffing the driver
> in
>> the trunk sounds like a good option... Only I don't have the muscles for
>> it. /evil grin/
>>
>> Now I remember why I fret over not having an iPhone! We broke down and 
>> got
> a
>> cheapo cell phone for safety, and I think it does have a camera... Must
>> learn to use it before I go out again!
>>
>> So the driver has been suspended... Oh, and fined. So that's a plus. It
>> didn't say how much, though. Maybe if other like-minded cabbies knew what
>> the consequences of their bad acts would be, they would be more motivated
> to
>> shape up and follow the law? Just a thought.
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Ginger Kutsch
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:18 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>>
>> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>>
>> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>>
>> June 6, 2011
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
>> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>>
>>
>>
>> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
> he's
>> been her lifeline for the past four years.
>>
>>
>>
>> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>>
>>
>>
>> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
> initially
>> refused to transport her with Alberto.
>>
>>
>>
>> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
> drive
>> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
>> Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
>> wrong," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
>> together in taxis.
>>
>>
>>
>> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
> them
>> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>>
>>
>>
>> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
>> fined by the state.
>>
>>
>>
>> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
> ever
>> since.
>>
>>
>>
>> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And 
>> I
>> want it back," said Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to
> 10
>> times per week.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>>
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