[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8

Wed Jun 8 19:23:12 UTC 2011

                                Great post Tami!
You're lucky Wayne "gets" it. And you wrote it so well. Shawn doesn't. He tries but he doesn't.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:19 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8

It's a good question, and I have wondered when I try to form strategies for
myself...  I've heard of others using the strategy of just standing up to
the denial and refusing to leave until the one who's actually breaking the
law calls 911 on *them."  Results of this course of action do seem to vary
by location and local culture, including local police culture.  Sigh.  I
don't really know all the ins and outs of the local police cultures
throughout the Portland Metro area, but I do know the culture of the Oregon
Commission for the Blind -- which would have a lot of influence, I think --
and of the overall culture of blindness that agency has created in this
state.  Let me say that I am *not* optimistic, no matter who calls in the
cops.  Urgh!  When DD and I do strategy planning sessions -- we're both
step-thinkers and scenario planners, so we do that sort of thing for fun
just by nature -- he's in favor of a) punching the person in the nose; b)
using a size 13 in a sensitive area and c) calling the cops right then and
there.  He gets frustrated with me because I plan on the assumption that I
am on my own without recourse based on the unavoidable fact that I am not
just blind, but female.  I assume that whatever really happens, the
law-breaker, even if they go as far as physical assault, will be believed by
default.  And that will be that.  So when I do have even a minor access
challenge, I'm already counting the cost to me of simply refusing to allow
my basic civil rights to  be violated.

Well, DD does get that, due to being gay and thus marginalized and always
knowing it's open season on you and all your friends.  He also gets that I'm
at a disadvantage he is not, due to my lack of manly size and muscles.
/lol/  In my imagination, it works for me to just go all Buffy on bigots and
law breakers, but I seem to have trouble accessing my Slayer Strength in the
real world.  I can defend myself -- and have suffered enough from the one
time I failed to do that actively thinking it would be better to address the
matter with the assailant's boss (ha!) not to plan to do that without
thinking next time -- but I ain't gonna start nothing, that's for sure.  And
there's no guarantee that my using active self-defense in a crisis would
work out the way I think it should.  And if you think I like admitting
that...  /shudder/

So, what am I left with?  A long list of options that I can sift through on
the spot to adapt to circumstances, should they arise.  And an absolute
obsession over getting an accessible camera phone, which I can't afford due
to still paying for medical expenses for that earlier assault while I still
don't have adaptive tech to earn a living.  Sigh.  Getting there, but I
won't feel adequately armed and protected until I can get it on digital
knowing I can put it on the internet when the authorities fail ...  And, as
you can see, a whopping case of bitter cynicism.  Yay me!

Anyway, that doesn't answer the question directly about whether to use 911
over access denials.  The ones I have faced so far have been so tame that I
could just talk or alpha-b my way through them, cheerful in the
understanding that ignoring a would-be bully is about the meanest thing you
can do to them.  Even when someone has literally tried to stand in my way, I
guess the blank stare and slight shift to a dominant posture causes them to
start to fidget and shift their feet so my zippy little guide dog can just
whip us past them.  Haven't had to step things up so far as to start asking
for the manager or any of that.  I will, sooner or later, I'm sure,
especially as we begin to travel more again outside our usual haunts and
outside of Portland -- where GDB has done such a good job of educating the
public about guide dogs and where guide dogs in various stages of training
and working aren't such a familiar site.  I make fun of people's confusion
about Mitzi since she is so entirely unlike the famous mellow yellow GDB
labs that folks can't wrap their heads around her being a guide dog.  Still,
I benefit a lot by GDB's presence in and around my community.  It helps when
everyone around is well informed about my legal rights when it comes to my
dog.  So that's been nice for me.  Elsewhere, beyond that convenient
buffer...  I guess we'll see if I get it right when something serious comes
up!

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Steven Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:27 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8

(\911? Interesting.  I unbderstand being attacked, but being refused access
makes me cringe in how 911 is being for a non-emergent situation.  Thoughts
folks?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of holly mcknight
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 1:28 PM
To: nagdu
Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 8

Hello all, Needles to say, after reading the story about a dog being forced
to ride in the trunk of a cab, in Denver of all places, I'm livid!! Denver
has a huge blind population, and that never should hapend.  I know we at GDB
are taught that if we are attacked or refused access due to our dog, we are
to call 911.  Was that done?  I know my dog is like my child, and there is
no in ever that I would have let someone put her inthe trunk!! No place is
that important where I wouldn't be able to call for another cab if a driver
tried to do that.  I really hope this situation shows people what to do in
the future.  Holly and Pollyann

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> 3. Re: hotline conference call (Margo and Arrow)
> 4. Re: Motivation update (Sheila Leigland)
> 5. Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Ginger Kutsch)
> 6. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Cindy Ray)
> 7. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Sheila Leigland)
> 8. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Julie Phillipson)
> 9. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Pawpower Creations)
> 10. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Katherine Lawson)
> 11. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
> 12. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
> 13. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk (Tamara Smith-Kinney)
> 14. Re: Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:10:07 -0400
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nagdu] Motivation update
> Message-ID: <a6e2d141c6fa59983bfb4bc224323255.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Sheila.
> Yep, they're all different. Keeps you on your toes, ay?
> I tried the stop-and-pat routine with Ben, because it worked so well with
> Echo, and he was like "yeah yeah let's get moving". A trainer told me
> that some dogs find just trucking down the road rewarding by itself, and
> Ben is one of them. "Places to go, things to sniff."
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 13:14:15 -0700
> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] hotline conference call
> Message-ID: <015901cc2486$4fa20ea0$eee62be0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello folks, I thought we had a hotline conference call scheduled for
today.
> Where is everybody?
> Tina
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:22:15 -0400
> From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotline conference call
> Message-ID: <5DDA7A181F9641D590BD6FA91FB0899F at meandmyarrow>
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> reply-type=original
>
> I also thought the meeting was today and I called Marion and he didn't
> recall the date and time and called Hingson and just got his machine.
>
> Hmmm. Not sure what to do now.
>
> guess we'll wait and hear from Mike.
>
> Margo and
> Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tina Thomas" <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 4:14 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] hotline conference call
>
>
> > Hello folks, I thought we had a hotline conference call scheduled for
> > today.
> > Where is everybody?
> > Tina
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:38:25 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Motivation update
> Message-ID: <auto-000284489844 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
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> You got that right. Tres loves to go but also has to sniff to find out who
else has been around.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:18:03 -0400
> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <043b01cc24fc$304f6590$90ee30b0$@yahoo.com>
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>
> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>
> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>
> June 6, 2011
>
>
>
>
>
> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>
>
>
> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
he's
> been her lifeline for the past four years.
>
>
>
> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>
>
>
>
>
> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>
>
>
> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
initially
> refused to transport her with Alberto.
>
>
>
> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>
>
>
> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
drive
> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>
>
>
> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
> Brown.
>
>
>
> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>
>
>
> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
> wrong," said Brown.
>
>
>
> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
> together in taxis.
>
>
>
> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
them
> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>
>
>
> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
> fined by the state.
>
>
>
> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
ever
> since.
>
>
>
> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And I
> want it back," said Brown.
>
>
>
> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to
10
> times per week.
>
>
>
>
>
> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:07:47 -0500
> From: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <A7957441-A463-4F94-87EB-FEF1D9948949 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I think it might have been a hard ting to do, but late is what I would
have been for the appointment. But you know, in the moment, it is hard to
say. Of course the bottom line is that the operator of the taxi operated out
of the law when he did what he did to her. I hope if I ever face such
treatment I will be strong enough to say no way dude.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:05:48 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <auto-000284706941 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> That's awful and completely shameful. The driver should be fired.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:44:58 -0400
> From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <83CE2621CD2A4825A1C66A0A60913431 at acer4d025c48b8>
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>
> no way would I allow this. I have to say I have been asked this at least
> twice before, most recently two weeks ago by someone who should know
better.
> Julie Phillipson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:18 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
>
> > Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> >
> > Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
> >
> > Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
> >
> > June 6, 2011
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
> > guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
> >
> >
> >
> > Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
> > he's
> > been her lifeline for the past four years.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
> >
> >
> >
> > When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
> > initially
> > refused to transport her with Alberto.
> >
> >
> >
> > "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
> > drive
> > her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
> >
> >
> >
> > "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
> > Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
> >
> >
> >
> > "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
> > wrong," said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
> > together in taxis.
> >
> >
> >
> > "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
> > them
> > a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
> >
> >
> >
> > A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
> > fined by the state.
> >
> >
> >
> > But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
> > ever
> > since.
> >
> >
> >
> > "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And
I
> > want it back," said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to

> > 10
> > times per week.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
> >
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:08:34 -0500
> From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <AAF7118F2E8244E481D8DD4F7B54D4FB at BobBlacknerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> This is crazy. There is absolutely no circumstance in which I would allow
> this to happen. Living in New Orleans we have lots of access issues with
> cabs, and I have been asked this before also. I usually latch on to the
> door of the cab or something, and if they want to make an issue out of it
> they can call their dispatcher, or the police and confirm that this is the
> law, or I will call for them. I can't believe the nerve of some people.
> Asking you to stuff your service dog in the trunk like a piece of luggage?
> Absolutely outrageous!
>
>
> Woofs and wags from the pawpower pack,
> Queen Vristol, Mill'E to the max, Rudy the dude, and baby girl Laveau.
>
> Pawpower Creations,
> Bob Blackner/Rox'e Homstad,
> 504-312-2609
> pawpower at cox.net
> www.pawpowercreations.com
>
> Custom made guide dog equipment,
> products designed with you and your canine in mind.
>
> I asked for strength that I might rear her perfectly;
> I was given weakness that I might feed her more treats.
>
> I asked for good health that I might rest easy;
> I was given a "special needs" dog that I might know nurturing.
>
> I asked for an obedient dog that I might feel proud;
> I was given stubbornness that I might feel humble.
>
> I asked for compliance that I might feel masterful;
> I was given a clown that I might laugh.
>
> I asked for a companion that I might not feel lonely;
> I was given a best friend that I would feel loved.
>
> I got nothing I asked for,
> But everything that I needed.
>
>
>
> Author unknown
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:09:39 +0100
> From: Katherine Lawson <kate.a.lawson at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
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> That is not acceptable. The driver should receive additional training
> as well as a suspension. If that has no effect, then he clearly should
> not be behind the wheel of a vehicle for hire (that anyone should be
> able to hire).
> Would you put your child in the trunk if a taxi driver asked you to? I
> don't think so. If this ever happens to me, the driver and company he
> works for will end up begging me to shut up. lol
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Julie Phillipson <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
wrote:
> > no way would I allow this. ?I have to say I have been asked this at
least
> > twice before, most recently two weeks ago by someone who should know
better.
> > Julie Phillipson
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginger Kutsch"
<GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:18 AM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> >
> >
> >> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> >>
> >> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
> >>
> >> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
> >>
> >> June 6, 2011
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put
her
> >> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
> >> he's
> >> been her lifeline for the past four years.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
> >> initially
> >> refused to transport her with Alberto.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
> >> drive
> >> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
> >> Brown.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was
terribly
> >> wrong," said Brown.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to
ride
> >> together in taxis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
> >> them
> >> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
> >> fined by the state.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
> >> ever
> >> since.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry.
And I
> >> want it back," said Brown.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three
to
> >> 10
> >> times per week.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
> >>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:49:53 -0700
> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <7EA43C24967C4F67B99B9FDC99957AD1 at tamidesktop>
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> Good heavens! What a terrible position to be in. Hard to say what I would
> do, having not had to make that choice when I have to get somewhere in a
> hurry and don't have time to wait for another cab... Stuffing the driver
in
> the trunk sounds like a good option... Only I don't have the muscles for
> it. /evil grin/
>
> Now I remember why I fret over not having an iPhone! We broke down and got
a
> cheapo cell phone for safety, and I think it does have a camera... Must
> learn to use it before I go out again!
>
> So the driver has been suspended... Oh, and fined. So that's a plus. It
> didn't say how much, though. Maybe if other like-minded cabbies knew what
> the consequences of their bad acts would be, they would be more motivated
to
> shape up and follow the law? Just a thought.
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ginger Kutsch
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:18 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>
> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>
> June 6, 2011
>
>
>
>
>
> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>
>
>
> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
he's
> been her lifeline for the past four years.
>
>
>
> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>
>
>
>
>
> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>
>
>
> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
initially
> refused to transport her with Alberto.
>
>
>
> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>
>
>
> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
drive
> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>
>
>
> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
> Brown.
>
>
>
> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>
>
>
> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
> wrong," said Brown.
>
>
>
> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
> together in taxis.
>
>
>
> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
them
> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>
>
>
> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
> fined by the state.
>
>
>
> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
ever
> since.
>
>
>
> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And I
> want it back," said Brown.
>
>
>
> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to
10
> times per week.
>
>
>
>
>
> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:56:28 -0700
> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
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>
> Yeah, I hope so, too! Still, that is a terrible position to be put in...
> Especially since showing up late when you're blind no matter what the
cause
> seems to be a capital offense, so there's a lot more pressure to overcome
> all obstacles no matter what.. If what you're hoping to gain from the
> appointment (health, life, resources, employment...) is important enough
to
> me, would I be stong enough to stand up for my dog first? I hope so! I
> tend to go straight to fury when someone does something illegal -- or just
> socially unacceptable -- to put me in a bind because they have something I
> need just because I'm blind and they're not... It's generally a nice, cold
> fury, so that comes in handy in deciding what to do. /evil grin/ Still, I
> hope never to have to make that sort of choice.
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 4:08 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> I think it might have been a hard ting to do, but late is what I would
have
> been for the appointment. But you know, in the moment, it is hard to say.
Of
> course the bottom line is that the operator of the taxi operated out of
the
> law when he did what he did to her. I hope if I ever face such treatment I
> will be strong enough to say no way dude.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:57:45 -0700
> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <4E86EAD85DBB42959EE61BAEB6BE9C62 at tamidesktop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> You're kidding! What is wrong with people? What even causes someone to
> think that way?
>
> Sorry you had to deal with it. Glad you stood strong!
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie Phillipson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 8:45 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> no way would I allow this. I have to say I have been asked this at least
> twice before, most recently two weeks ago by someone who should know
better.
> Julie Phillipson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 6:18 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
>
> > Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> >
> > Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
> >
> > Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
> >
> > June 6, 2011
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
> > guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
> >
> >
> >
> > Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
> > he's
> > been her lifeline for the past four years.
> >
> >
> >
> > "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
> >
> >
> >
> > When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
> > initially
> > refused to transport her with Alberto.
> >
> >
> >
> > "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
> > drive
> > her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
> >
> >
> >
> > "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
> > Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
> >
> >
> >
> > "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
> > wrong," said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
> > together in taxis.
> >
> >
> >
> > "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
> > them
> > a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
> >
> >
> >
> > A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
> > fined by the state.
> >
> >
> >
> > But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
> > ever
> > since.
> >
> >
> >
> > "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And
I
> > want it back," said Brown.
> >
> >
> >
> > The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to

> > 10
> > times per week.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:58:00 +0000
> From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
> Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC78125F135C at TSEAMB02>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Maybe off topic but if anybody has ideas on how to take a good picture
when you're totally blind, please pass them on.
> The camera functionality of the Iphone is accessable, but how do you
position yourself and the camera to get what you want?
> Tami knows all about what happened last time I used a camera:)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:50 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> Good heavens! What a terrible position to be in. Hard to say what I would
> do, having not had to make that choice when I have to get somewhere in a
> hurry and don't have time to wait for another cab... Stuffing the driver
in
> the trunk sounds like a good option... Only I don't have the muscles for
> it. /evil grin/
>
> Now I remember why I fret over not having an iPhone! We broke down and got
a
> cheapo cell phone for safety, and I think it does have a camera... Must
> learn to use it before I go out again!
>
> So the driver has been suspended... Oh, and fined. So that's a plus. It
> didn't say how much, though. Maybe if other like-minded cabbies knew what
> the consequences of their bad acts would be, they would be more motivated
to
> shape up and follow the law? Just a thought.
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Ginger Kutsch
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 3:18 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> Service Dog Forced To Ride In Taxi Trunk
>
> Blind Woman Says Driver Gave Her Ultimatum
>
> Marc Stewart, 7News Reporter
>
> June 6, 2011
>
>
>
>
>
> DENVER -- A blind woman says a driver told her she would have to put her
> guide dog in the trunk of his taxi if she wanted a ride.
>
>
>
> Judie Brown says her black lab named Alberto isn't just a best friend;
he's
> been her lifeline for the past four years.
>
>
>
> "If something happened to him. I would just die," said Brown.
>
>
>
>
>
> About a month ago, Brown called a cab.
>
>
>
> When she walked out front with Alberto, the driver from Union Taxi
initially
> refused to transport her with Alberto.
>
>
>
> "He said, 'No dog in my cab,' " said Brown.
>
>
>
> Brown said the driver told her he was allergic to dogs and would only
drive
> her if Alberto went in the back of his cab.
>
>
>
> "I asked him, 'Where in the back?' And he said, 'In the trunk,' " said
> Brown.
>
>
>
> Late for an appointment, she reluctantly agreed.
>
>
>
> "I never hear my dog whine or crying. Ever. Ever. I knew it was terribly
> wrong," said Brown.
>
>
>
> Colorado law protects guide dogs and their owners, allowing them to ride
> together in taxis.
>
>
>
> "A service dog is an appliance, similar to a wheelchair. Would you deny
them
> a wheelchair?" said animal law expert Jay Swearingen.
>
>
>
> A manager with Union Taxi tells 7NEWS the driver has been suspended and
> fined by the state.
>
>
>
> But Judie is scarred and says she's been afraid to travel with Alberto
ever
> since.
>
>
>
> "I've lost my independence. And I do not like it. It makes me angry. And I
> want it back," said Brown.
>
>
>
> The National Guide Dog Association says they get similar calls, three to
10
> times per week.
>
>
>
>
>
> URL: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/28151488/detail.html
>
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