[nagdu] question about convention and booties.
Tara Chavez
tmatzick06 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 24 17:18:00 UTC 2011
Hello all,
I have a couple of questions. I am currently debating whether or not to take
my guide dog with me to convention. I've heard opinions on both sides and
wonder what most people do.
I've heard not to take her because I'd end up stressing her out more, plus
I'd be worrying more about her and less likely to have fun at convention.
I've also heard that I should take her (or at least I think I should)
because of the experience of traveling and navigating the hotel and all that
with her by my side. I am curious what a lot of people do. I know as a guide
dog user that I am proud of that and I want the world to know that I have a
wonderful companion... Thoughts?
My other questions is about booties. I used them a lot last year when I
first came home, but not a whole lot since. Now that it's getting into the
90's and up, I want to be able to work my dog in booties, but she gets
stressed when I put them on. I've tried putting them on and feeding her
dinner, since that was a suggestion from GDB when I asked them. I've also
tried clickering her for allowing me to put them on her, but she has been so
stressed that she won't accept even high-value reward. Any suggestions? I
can't not work my dog because of the heat, can I?
Thank you,
Tara
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1. Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
2. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
3. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
4. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
5. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
6. Re: Different types of dogs (Tami Kinney)
7. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Dan Weiner)
8. Re: DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS (Tami Kinney)
9. Re: what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
10. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
11. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
12. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
13. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
14. . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Arthur Nolden)
15. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Sean Moore)
16. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (cheryl echevarria)
17. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Julie Phillipson)
18. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Tami Kinney)
19. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (cheryl echevarria)
20. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
21. Cloning (Tracy Carcione)
22. Re: Cloning (PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC))
23. Success stats (Tracy Carcione)
24. Re: Cloning (Tami Kinney)
25. Re: Success stats (Tami Kinney)
26. Re: Success stats (Sheila Leigland)
27. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Margo and Arrow)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:37:45 -0400
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
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Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker Breeze
from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not attending
convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and have
tickets filled out?
Thanks.
Hope and Beignet
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:39 -0400
From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
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Hi,
Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
Paypal link.
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
have tickets filled out?
> Thanks.
> Hope and Beignet
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:25:26 -0400
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
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Thanks Buddy. Again, you're a life-saver. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> Hi,
>
> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
> Paypal link.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>
>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
>> and have tickets filled out?
>> Thanks.
>> Hope and Beignet
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:27:39 -0400
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
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Hope,
We attempted to make entries available through Pay pal; however, they do
not allow raffles and shut it down. We are working to get our account
re-activated so we can collect membership dues. The challenge we would face
selling tickets outside of convention is how to accept payment. next year,
we will have learned how to use Pay Pal without breaching our user
agreement. If you have any suggestions as to how we can sell tickets without
using Pay Pal, please feel free to make suggestions. We are open to allowing
anyone who wants to support our projects the opportunity to do so!
Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala, President
National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
National Federation of the Blind
813-626-2789
President at NAGDU.ORG
HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
> have tickets filled out?
> Thanks.
> Hope and Beignet
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:28:54 -0400
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
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Buddy,
Unfortunately, we had to shut down that option, as Pay Pal suspended our
account! You were one of the few that got in before this happened. now we
are working to access those funds!
Marion
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> Hi,
>
> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
> Paypal link.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>
>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
>> and have tickets filled out?
>> Thanks.
>> Hope and Beignet
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:55:51 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Different types of dogs
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Mardi,
Just remember to collect and save some genetic material from Nala.
Cloning technology is improving, and costs are coming down as R&D
expenses are paid off. Unlike the adaptive tech market in a lot of areas
still. But that's another matter. I'm glad someone else will admit to
seriously wanting to do that. /lol/ Blurting that out in conversation
can generate awkward silence broken by strangled stutterings. I havent'
checked for awhile, but cloning is probably still beyond the means of
the likes of you and I... By the time I need to start looking for
Mitzi's successor, though, who knows? If it is possible for me to take
that route, who knows what I will decide, really? She's only 5, and
genetic health problems could still show up (I'm in denial about that),
etc. Physically, she is healthy and sound, except for some early issues
from bugs, not genes. Her temperament is fantastic, and I love her
poodly brains and even obstinance at work, home and play. Also, as I
keep telling her, she will be helping me raise herself, so that's
vengeance for me for her puppyhood. /lol/ She grins and wags her tail
as if I am being silly. Whether she knows what I am saying or not (I
really do wonder sometimes even when she can't possibly), I get the
impression she generally assumes that if I am talking, I am just being
silly for her amusement. I then begin to wonder if I am a masochist
when it comes to guide dogs. /lol/
The greater choice in breed and individual is a big plus to
owner-training. Except for the part where you're looking for the right
pup from the breed you've selected, which is really nerve-wracking and
can take a lot of time. Unless you're lucky, which seems to have
happened to me with Mitzi. Maybe that's another reason I just want to
clone her when the time comes. I don't have to turn myself into a wreck
wondering if I will find that elusive new prospect in a puppy... Scary
stuff, that! /smile/
Glad Shaman is doing well and progressing. He must be pretty adult,
too, by now and building up experience. That's when it starts to be real
fun. /grin/
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:29 -0700, Mardi Hadfield wrote:
> Hi all, If you need a guide dog and go to a school to get it, you
probably
> don't have a lot of choice in what breed of dog you want. You may be able
to
> state a preference,but that is no guarantee that you will actually get
what
> you asked for. I think that for a first time dog user, it is wise to let
> the school match you with the dog that they feel is best for you.Maybe on
> your second time you can get the kind of dog you want as you will have the
> experience of already working with a dog. Of course this is just my
> opinion,but to me it makes sense. On the other hand, if you are an owner
> trainer and have a certain preference, go for it!My chosen breed is the
> Siberian Husky. This is not the breed for every one! There are many cons
and
> some pros. For me, I needed a dog that could keep up with my power
> wheelchair and my very active life style.A breed that did not tire easily
> and could go all day. The husky fit the bill for me.Since I already had a
> husky service dog,I just trained her as a guide dog. She was a wonderful
> guide but had to be retired early as she got Vally Fever. This is a
disease
> limited to the southwest. She died unexpectedly a month after her
> retirement.I was lucky to have found another Husky to train as my next
> guide. This dog has been an exceptional guide dog. She has gone above and
> beyond as a guide dog.I don't expect to find another like her.I wish I
could
> have her cloned,but my finances being what they are,well it's just not
> possible. When I was looking for another dog to take over for Nala so she
> could retire, I just could not find a husky that could do the job. After
> trying several that "washed out",I expanded my search to other breeds. I
> found a Belgian Shepherd that had been rescued from a shelter. He was the
> one that worked out. He has become a wonderful guide. We had a few
setbacks
> in the beginning but he has worked out very well.To date, Nala,my second
> Husky has been the best guide I have ever had,but with time,who knows.
> Shaman may become just as good. He is excellent when it comes to traffic
> checks, and has already saved my butt several times! Different people
have
> different needs when it comes to guide dogs. Some need fast dogs,some need
> slower dogs. I consider myself very lucky to have found dogs of the breeds
> that I like and had them become wonderful guides.But If I were to go to a
> school to get a dog sometime in the future, I would probably take whatever
> dog they matched me with as it is unlikely that I would get a Husky.Have a
> great day, Mardi andShaman and Nala,retired.
>
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:00:30 -0400
From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
To: "'Florida Association of Guide Dog Users'" <flagdu at nfbnet.org>,
"'NAGDU List'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
"'NFB
Chapter presidents'" <chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org>
Cc: marion.gwizdala at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
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Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to make
government have different priorities, that's not just about blind people.
It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
tricky thing.
I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized blind
movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
People feel powerless. Especially we blind people have spent most of our
lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do things.
Dan W. and the Carter Dog
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:02:01 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
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Oh! thanks for telling me so. As you may have guessed I love going about
my dog, dogs, my dog, every dog I've ever met... So I'm always glad when
my ramblings turn out to actually be helpful to someone. /smile/
It's all my own experience and what I've picked up from others or other
dogs I've had, more and more informed by my growing experience as a
guide dog user. So I'm better at evaluating pros and cons of the
various breed and type options in light of what I want in a guide.
I've liked hearing what most others have said on the matter of
preference itself. It is very, very individual when it comes right down
to it.
The even more important thing is the individual dog we are matched with
or end up with meets our needs in a way that enhances our lives. Which
seems to happen most of the time, so that's a good thing. Glad you're
enjoying your pup and life as a guide dog handler!
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:47 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
> Tami ,
> Thanks very informative!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tami Kinney
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:56 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
>
> Brittney,
>
> Were you also informed which preference you were supposed to
> have? /evil grin/
>
> I thought the whole poodle as guide dog notion was pretty iffy when I
> first heard of it, but ended up putting in some time, energy and expense
> getting my hands on one anyway for practical reasons. Now I can't
> understand why everybody else isn't running around demanding poodle
> guides... Until I remember that poodles are, you know, poodles.
> Definitely an acquired taste, but addictive once you get hooked. Unless
> you want a quiet life, free of excitement and strife. The lack of
> shedding is a big plus in a lot of ways, but the cost of grooming is not
> easy on a budget. If you try to save now and then by stretching out
> time between trims, you find yourself doing nothing but grooming the
> poodle. Well, Mitzi has the soft, thick, fine coat and an extra measure
> of it at that, so it is absolutely gorgeous and wonerful to the touch
> while being absolutely impossible to keep free of industrial-grade
> snarls close to the skin if you don't keep on it. Also, the poodle does
> nto appear to be constructed to curl up in a tidy ball that will fit
> neatly under even a really big chair, so it you're uptight about the
> finer points of etiquette, a girl can really stress herself out about
> that until she finally gives up and loosens up and finds a way to
> achieve the same goals in a way that will actually work. /lol/ From
> what I hear, bear-sized labs will curl up into tidy balls that will fit
> under toddler chairs and be perfectly comfortable doing it. I'm
> exaggerating, but I've heard of folks with 90 pound labs that will fit
> places I have not been able to stuff my poodle to begin with, and even
> then bits of her start popping out like they've been spring-loaded, so I
> have driven myself nuts on the bus and train desperately trying to round
> up legs and noses and stubby tails enough for 7 dogs! She would be
> trying to comply but she sure would sigh a lot. Also, she has a huge
> need to watch *everything* so our rules for keeping her out of the way
> and safe including her being positioned where she can do that without
> moving around. She's a super-mellow poodle, so I am routinely assurred,
> but she is still a poodle. That same vigilance and curiosity works out
> wonderfully when we're on the go, so I don't mind adjusting our seating
> arrangements to keep her from getting twitchy. /smile/
>
> I've always had a yen for a sheperd guide and I still think they're
> still pretty high on my list. The only thing that that breed loses
> points over is their shedding and tendency to be a bit harder on people
> with sensitivities to dander because of its pH or something... I
> wouldn't let that last part stop me getting one, but the shedding itself
> seems a bit daunting now that I'm spoiled. Not having a budget crunch
> from profressional grooming all the time would be a big plus, that's for
> sure! I might take on shaving and trimming a companion poodle myself,
> but my professional dog requires a professional haircut.
>
> Dobies also thrill me, for many of the same reasons GSDs do, only with
> shorter hair and less shedding and brushing. I'm lazy, so when Mitzi's
> curls are shorn and I can just wipe her off with a damp cloth to spiif
> her up for the most refined restaurant dining, I am happy as can be with
> that arrangement. Dobie guide users speak of doing that with the dobie
> coat, so big, big plus!
>
> I would like a dog with less adorability and perhaps a bit more of a
> back-off quality and a rep to add some encouragement. Mitzi has a
> pretty intense stare, but it just doesn't have the same effect on people
> as it does when it comes from what looks like a guard/police dog. Here,
> at least. The dirty little secret about poodles is that they're used as
> guard dogs in other countries because they're a lot like dobies and
> shepherds that way. It's something to bear in mind, especially in
> choosing a poodle for guide work or anything else, really, since people
> who have encountered bad-tempered poodles are scared to death of the
> things. They can turn nasty if the temperament is not respected in
> treatment and training. Statistically, they're responsible for more dog
> bites than pit bulls. That includes the smaller types, too, I guess,
> and those are more prone to temperament problems due to irresponsible
> breeders. Sigh. Anyway, Mitzi is, in a lot of way, a woolly doberman
> that just doesn't scare people because she's so cu-ute. She does have,
> I have been told a very severe back-off look, but she seems to be more
> likely to use her direct stare and exotic dark eyes to draw people in
> and take control of their minds so that they will do whatever she wants
> them to. /lol/ I've never been able to see her eyes, really, and see her
> in my mind as not having any, but I can feel that stare and fall victim
> to its power. Still, there are times it would be handy to have an
> equally nonaggressive dog that could scare people off properly just by
> looking at them. Mitzi has become quite the pro at dealing with all the
> attention and reaching hands with grace and composure, and we've worked
> out ways to keep it from getting out of hand, but... It would be nice
> to have my dog admired from a safe distance by people who are inspired
> to keep their hands to themselves. /smile/
>
> Labs come in lower on the preference list simply because I like the
> herding/guarding breeds better, either as guides or as companions. I
> like labs and just get giddy around my labbie friends and family -- my
> sister has a 106 lb. black lab Mitzi's age, and he is just so awesome
> and very labby in his manner and personality. Out of habit, when I
> stood beside him, I held my hand over his back to measure him for a
> harness... I would have to be a lot taller. He is a way cool dog and
> just love him. But if someone were to offer me the choice between his
> exact clone and, say, a dobie or shepherd or poodle, I'd pick the other
> dog. Still, labs will start moving up my preference scale at some point
> for the very traits that make them so popular and numerous. In fact, by
> then I will no doubt be wanting an extra mellow, laid back, easy lab
> guide, and I will love having a lab around because they really are
> wonderful dogs.
>
> I just happen to prefer my super-alert, active, busy, difficult poodle
> and want something along the same lines in case she doesn't obey the
> live-forever command and I don't get her cloned. /lol/
>
> I don't know if that is in any way informative, but I always love these
> questions because I learn so much about other handlers and the
> differences between breeds and inviduals. So I'll shut up and get to
> reading.
>
> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 16:21 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
> > hello everyone,
> > I always wanted to ask. Does the breed of dog you use as a guide
matter?
> > I know some guide dog users are really particular about a certain breed
> > and others don?t care? Why is this? Before I got my guide people asked
> > me what type of dog I wanted and I would ask, ?should I have a
> > preference?? and I was told that I shouldn??t care. Before I start
> > rambleing I just want to know the difference in different breeds?
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:32:44 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
Message-ID: <1308861164.2044.30.camel at tamara-desktop>
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Marion, et al.,
Agreed, re: article and well-said. I appreciate the humor and the
expression of thanks to the doers, whether it's the bits or the bites we
contribute... While also making a strong statement. /smile/
As I learn more about the organization -- and thus its warts and those
of some of its people or even groups within the larger organization -- I
keep hearing a long ago boss and mentor from my early career: Never go
to the boss with a complaint without also having at least one solution
to offer. Good advice from a wise woman! Having a solution to a problem
is much easier in the context of your job and department or company than
with a large member organization like the NFB, and at least one
organizational wart really sticks in my craw, making it easy to feel
whiney and powerless... But I know how much good I've gotten out of the
past work and the current work, so I am more motivated to do my little
bits to contribute... Very small bits! But those little things to keep
entertained enough to avoid complaining to adamantly about things I
would like to see done or changed, because then I would feel obligated
to help be part of the solution... That thought does shut me up fairly
often. Don't know if that's what my mentor had in mind, but if you're
afraid to complain you do have more time to do other things. /lol/
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:08 -0400, Margo and Arrow wrote:
> It's called taking ownership. marion, well-said email and like Cindy, I
> think you might want to consider expanding it to a Monitor article.
>
> Margo and Arrow
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
>
>
> > Marion, I think that was well said. I think you should enlarge upon it
and
> > make a Monitor article out of it. I know that variations have been done
> > before, but we can't hear it often enough.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > On Jun 23, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> >
> >> Dear All,
> >> Please excuse this cross-posting but I think it is important enough
> >> that I wanted to share it with as many of you as possible. When I speak
> >> with many blind people who find out I am a leader in the Federation, I
> >> often have them say, "The NFB should ...". You can fill in the blank
with
> >> a myriad of suggestions of what needs to be done to improve the lives
of
> >> the blind. Generally, my response is, "Are you a member of the NFB?"
The
> >> most frequent answer is "No!" This opens the door for me to share that
> >> the Federation is a membership organization - a grass roots Movement
in
> >> which each member must be actively involved in order for us to improve
> >> our lives. It is not dr. Maurer; it is not the Board of Directors; it
is
> >> not the people who work at the National Center for the Blind; it is not
> >> our divisions, our affiliates, or our chapters! It is each and every
> >> member of the movement! I then invite them to become a member of the
NFB
> >> and hear the same tired excuses of not being a joiner, not
> > having enough time, not wanting to choose sides, not agreeing with the
> > philosophy, yah dah yah dah yah dah yawn! "In other words," I say, "you
> > want someone else to solve your problems for you and are unwilling to
> > help. Is that right?" Of course, they think I am a rude, obnoxious,
> > belligerent Federationist, what my wife and I would call "C.B." -
> > Confirmation Bias - the bias that "All Federationists are (fill in the
> > blank!" and this experience confirms this belief!
> >> I praise those of you who have joined me in our effort to improve
the
> >> lives of the blind. You have not made it someone else's problem to
solve;
> >> you have made it yours! To paraphrase the words of Mahatma Gandhi ,
"You
> >> are the change you want to see in the world!" Thank you for your
service
> >> and for joining me on the barricades! On to Orlando!
> >>
> >> Fraternally yours,
> >> Marion Gwizdala, President
> >> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> >> National Federation of the Blind
> >> 813-626-2789
> >> President at NAGDU.ORG
> >> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:38:25 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
Message-ID: <1308861505.2044.35.camel at tamara-desktop>
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Hope and Buddy,
I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
everyone's convenience.
Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if you
can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
Paypal link.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>
> > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
have tickets filled out?
> > Thanks.
> > Hope and Beignet
> > _______________________________________________
> > nagdu mailing list
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:56:54 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
Message-ID: <1308862614.2044.47.camel at tamara-desktop>
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Yeah, I'm pretty new to be told that kind of crap all the time, so I
just keep on getting real mad and obstinate. But I started noticing way
too early on how often the constant battery would affect my thinking and
decision-making, even though i know better! I am amazed -- and fairly
weary -- by how much work I have to put in just to keep myself from
starting to assume all those negative things about myself just because
I'm blind.
That experience does give me a greater appreciation for anyone who has
been told that from childhood on for just getting up in the morning!
Especially from my own age range and on. I realize that whatever the
pros and cons of progressive vision loss, with the crossover to using
noticeable adaptive methods and tools, the biggest benefit to me over my
lifetime until earlier this century has been that people weren't
treating me like I was blind! Also, driving and reading print a page at
a glance provided many opportunities to go, do, learn which are more
difficult and time-consuming now. So that's something I have benefited
from especially in the context of my own generation. But i thought the
way girls and women were treated then was bad and oppressive... Then I
picked up a new skinny white friend in the 21st century, when women can
do stuff like think and make decisions officially, and discovered what
*real* oppression is like. Then I started learning how much better
things are now! Yikes! Well, they're getting better all the time,
because we're all just soldiering on together and each in our way, so
the adventure continues.
Still, I can't truly grasp some of the attitudes of blind people toward
blindness, towards other blind people and towards themselves,
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 16:00 -0400, Dan Weiner wrote:
> Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to make
> government have different priorities, that's not just about blind people.
>
> It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
> tricky thing.
>
> I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized blind
> movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
> People feel powerless. Especially we blind people have spent most of our
> lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do things.
>
>
> Dan W. and the Carter Dog
>
>
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:10:14 -0400
From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
Message-ID: <3A19B225-D79A-4497-9F65-264DCAB3F698 at brannan.name>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
--
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
> Hope and Buddy,
>
> I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
> they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> everyone's convenience.
>
> Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if you
> can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
> we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
>
> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a handy
Paypal link.
>> --
>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
have tickets filled out?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Hope and Beignet
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nagdu mailing list
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:38:01 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
Message-ID: <1308865081.2044.49.camel at tamara-desktop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Buddy, you are in the running for the Breeze, no worries. As is anyone
else who paid before we had to cease and desist. Sorry for the
confusion!
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:10 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>
> > Hope and Buddy,
> >
> > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
> > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > everyone's convenience.
> >
> > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if you
> > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
> > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> >
> > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
handy Paypal link.
> >> --
> >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
have tickets filled out?
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Hope and Beignet
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nagdu mailing list
> >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nagdu:
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> >>
> >>
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:22:23 -0400
From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
Message-ID: <31BE0B810A9449B28F6C885AD16CD11C at yourc6417768d6>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Blind People Are Faking It!
Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead vicious
attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also have a
secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to indicate
that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans. We're
speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the first
place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight, how does
that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie Milsap? How
could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they take us
for-ignorant
saps?
The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel on
their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are supposed to
help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip is
painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the mysterious
fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with deadly
force by those with skill.
In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind also
own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance along
city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
"guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most frightening
aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to communicate
with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane shapes.
Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward appearance:
elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention. But
think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we know?
Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will change
from "second
floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into the
chaos of revolution.
At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning such
a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one group
possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it to seize
power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the threat
where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the blind
menace.
Alan P., Nevada.
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:38:06 -0400
From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
Message-ID: <C5461A4DD88D4166ACE61067E467507E at aspireone>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
What the ...?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>
>
>
> Blind People Are Faking It!
>
> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead vicious
> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also have
> a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of other
> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
>
> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight, how
> does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do
> they take us for-ignorant
> saps?
> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel on
> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are supposed
> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if
> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's
> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>
> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>
> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability
> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their
> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into
> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping
> up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday
> outward appearance:
> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>
> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
> will change from "second
> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
> the chaos of revolution.
>
> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it
> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>
> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the
> blind menace.
>
> Alan P., Nevada.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:39:14 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
Message-ID: <BLU162-ds8084A15951C07A96F9600A1520 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have to be
for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was for
the Raffle.
There are ways around it.
Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
Cheryl Echevarria
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631-456-5394
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----- Original Message -----
From: Tami Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
Hope and Buddy,
I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
everyone's convenience.
Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
handy Paypal link.
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
>
> > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
have tickets filled out?
> > Thanks.
> > Hope and Beignet
> > _______________________________________________
> > nagdu mailing list
> > nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >
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g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:19:46 -0400
From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
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WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
Hi everyone,
Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is for
the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> What the ...?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>
>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead vicious
>> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
>> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems
>> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of other
>> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
>>
>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
>> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What
>> do they take us for-ignorant
>> saps?
>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel on
>> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are supposed
>> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if
>> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's
>> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
>> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
>> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>>
>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>
>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability
>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their
>> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into
>> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
>> everyday outward appearance:
>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>>
>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
>> will change from "second
>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
>> the chaos of revolution.
>>
>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
>> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it
>> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>
>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the
>> blind menace.
>>
>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nagdu:
>>
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bb.net
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:31:13 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
Message-ID: <1308889873.2959.55.camel at tamara-desktop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
OMG! ROTFL! Heard the audio version a couple of days ago, but it just
never stops being hysterical. Especially the way my new screen reader
does it. I think I might have sprained something laughing!
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 18:22 -0400, Arthur Nolden wrote:
>
>
> Blind People Are Faking It!
>
> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead vicious
attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also have a
secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to indicate
that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans. We're
speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
>
> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight, how
does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie Milsap?
How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they take
us for-ignorant
> saps?
> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel on
their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are supposed to
help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip is
painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the mysterious
fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with deadly
force by those with skill.
>
> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind also
own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance along
city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
"guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>
> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most frightening
aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to communicate
with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane shapes.
Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward appearance:
> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>
> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we know?
Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will change
from "second
> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
the chaos of revolution.
>
> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it to
seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>
> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the
blind menace.
>
> Alan P., Nevada.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nagdu mailing list
> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:47:57 -0400
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
Message-ID: <BLU162-ds13BBC737B2BC34501713C2A1520 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
it is funny ART, you are funny.
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Cheryl Echevarria
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631-456-5394
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----- Original Message -----
From: Julie Phillipson<mailto:jbrew48 at verizon.net>
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
Hi everyone,
Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is for
the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Moore"
<sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net>>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> What the ...?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arthur Nolden"
<anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>
>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
secret
>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
vicious
>> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
>> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems
>> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of
other
>> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
blind.
>>
>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
>> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
Ronnie
>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What
>> do they take us for-ignorant
>> saps?
>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
on
>> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
supposed
>> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if
>> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's
>> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
>> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
>> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>>
>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
guidance
>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>
>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
of
>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
somehow
>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
ability
>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
Their
>> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into
>> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
>> everyday outward appearance:
>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
like.
>>
>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
attention.
>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
>> will change from "second
>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
>> the chaos of revolution.
>>
>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
>> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
one
>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
it
>> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>
>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
the
>> blind menace.
>>
>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nagdu mailing list
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>
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g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:30:47 -0400
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
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Cheryl,
Thanks for the info. we are not going to pursue this for year, as I
believe it would probably raise some red flags with Pay Pal. We will
consider this option for next year's *drawing*!
Marion
this
----- Original Message -----
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have to be
> for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
> whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
>
> Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was for
> the Raffle.
>
> There are ways around it.
>
> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> 631-456-5394
>
reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> CST-1018299-10
>
> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> Inc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tami Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
>
>
> Hope and Buddy,
>
> I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
> they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> everyone's convenience.
>
> Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
> can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
> we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
>
> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy Paypal link.
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and
> have tickets filled out?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Hope and Beignet
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > nagdu mailing list
> > > nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nagdu:
> > >
>
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http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name>
> >
> >
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:18:15 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
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I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police department
tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
original. I thought that was interesting.
I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness of
the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things to
have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
Tracy
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:20:47 +0000
From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
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Keep in mind with cloning, you are not cloning souls. We all have them We
also are not cloning experiences and interpertations on experiences. We all
have those too.
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Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police department
tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
original. I thought that was interesting.
I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness of
the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things to
have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
Tracy
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:44:15 -0400
From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nagdu] Success stats
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In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to improve
their success rate from birth to a successful match. The report said that
80% of the dogs that enter training make it through. It also said that
they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make it
through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that ratio
significantly. I'm also curious if it's about the same at other schools.
50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is. Anyway,
these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
others, too. If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
more.
Tracy
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:24:44 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
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True! Since I plan to have several years before I have to make a
decision, I can have fun with idea of doing it because I really do adore
my poodle girl and want to hang on to her forever... When the time
comes, and it's a *real* decision, who knows? As a lifelong sci-fi nut,
it's just really exciting that we can now discuss the pros and cons
seriuosly because we're not just making things up that will never be
possible. /smile/
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:18 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police department
> tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
> characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
> original. I thought that was interesting.
> I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
> not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness of
> the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things to
> have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
> Tracy
>
>
>
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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:30:36 -0700
From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
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Tracy, I read the older stats you mentioned when I was researching the
notion of owner-training, and they were awfully daunting since I was
looking for one dog which meant I needed a 100 percent success rate to
have a guide dog. And this was how it was working out for people who
actually knew what they were doing? /lol/ There was also an equally
daunting ratio of returns after the match or early retirements... I got
the dog I found anyway and figured that I'd just start training her and
see what happened.
Anyway, thanks for sharing the updated info. I do have a vague item
penciled in way down on my to do list to look into what changes there
have been over time at various programs, so I'm glad someone else does
that, too, and lets others know. Cool!
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 11:44 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to improve
> their success rate from birth to a successful match. The report said that
> 80% of the dogs that enter training make it through. It also said that
> they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
> have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
> roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
> I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make it
> through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
> I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that ratio
> significantly. I'm also curious if it's about the same at other schools.
> 50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is. Anyway,
> these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
> others, too. If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
> more.
> Tracy
>
>
>
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:23 -0600
From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
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The fifty percent is what I've heard and it seems low to me also. I hope it
changes or has changed.
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:56:17 -0400
From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
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It's from the Onion and the Onion spoofs everyone and everything.
Margo and Arrow
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
> Hi everyone,
>
> Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
> suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
> Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is for
> the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
>
>
>
> Julie Phillipson
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>
>> What the ...?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Blind People Are Faking It!
>>>
>>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
>>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
>>> vicious attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk
>>> also have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence
>>> seems to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of
>>> other humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
>>> blind.
>>>
>>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
>>> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
>>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
>>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What
>>> do they take us for-ignorant
>>> saps?
>>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
>>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
>>> on their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
>>> supposed to help them feel their way along. They are painted white,
>>> almost as if the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and
>>> the weapon's tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have
>>> studied the mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks
>>> may be wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
>>>
>>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
>>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
>>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
>>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
>>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
>>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
>>>
>>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
>>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
>>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
>>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability
>>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
>>> Their secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged
>>> into arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
>>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
>>> everyday outward appearance:
>>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
>>>
>>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
>>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
>>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
>>> will change from "second
>>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
>>> the chaos of revolution.
>>>
>>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
>>> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
>>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
>>> it to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
>>>
>>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
>>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
>>> the blind menace.
>>>
>>> Alan P., Nevada.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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