[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 32

[Tami Kinney]

Bertha,

Fear not! There are so many myths about guide dogs and being a guide dog
handler that you just gotta make fun of how over the top they are. The
phrase "super blind" or "super blink" is also a stab at the myths. Not
to mention all the people who will seem to pop out of nowhere at times
to inflict them on you in a way surely designed to be absolutely certain
you understand the extent to which you suck by you inferiority in
comparison to all those other blind people, who are amazing... 

I hear you on concerns about getting your dog enough exercise now that
you're home. I'm so far below par by my own standards and goals right
now that I just fret constantly, whatever I'm doing, even when I'm
getting her as much exercise as I can under current conditions. We're
working to change our circumstances sometime in the near future to make
it easier to get her (and me!) that great running exercise she needs, as
well as providing more work for her (and walking for me!).

Pretty much, I think we all do the best we can by our dogs to ensure
their needs are met. In those times when other handles have discussed
their struggles to live up to their own standards for that care, they
seem to feel much of what you express. The dogs -- including mine --
don't worry so much, and they tend to survive our perceived failings on
their behalf pretty well once we get back to playing more soccer with
them... Er, or whatever we do to play. My poodle demands soccer, and she
will have it from me or else! /lol/ It is a nutty game for a woman my
age -- let a lone a blind woman my age -- to be doing with her dog, we
just have so gosh darn much fun together. /grin/

Good luck working things out, and don't cap on yourself too hard!
Balancing everything all out for your dog and you isn't as easy as it
sounds. The important thing is that you care for her enough to be trying
to find ways for her to be healthy and happy. /smile/

Tami

On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:56 -0600, B Avila Guerrero wrote:
> Maybe I'm being a little overly sensitive but I have a question about your
> statement: "The super blind guy or gal who walks 10 miles a day at 5 miles
> per hour in all kinds of weather:. Does this mean, if we don't walk ten
> miles a day five miles an hour in all kinds of weather, that we are less
> than desirable handlers?
> 
> Again, forgive me if I am a bit sensitive, I am a first time handler and
> just returned home from Morristown with many concerns and not giving my dog
> the exercise she was accustomed to in New Jersey is top on the list.
> Bertha 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:22 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 32
> 
> I'm curious about Holly's statement re dogs having a more demanding life
> now.
> I'd bet that very few of us were around in the 1920's and 1930's. I'd argue
> that food for dogs wasn't as healthy, medical care wasn't as good, and dogs
> had more wear and tear on their bodies just like people would have back
> then.
> Ideas? Finally, we know a bit more about breeding then we did back in the
> 1920's or I'd imagine we would.
> I am curious about standards of behavior. Do you all think they were less
> then what we'd expect now or higher.
> What about behavior of the handler? The super blind guy or gal who walks 10
> miles a day at 5 miles per hour in al lkinds of weather comes to mind.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of holly mcknight
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:02 PM
> To: nagdu
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 32
> 
> 
> Hi All, I have several things to comment on.  I haven't been on much lately
> due to my crazy life.  I love the spoof article on "evil blind people." When
> I was a student at CCB almost twenty years ago, we all joked about using
> "evil sight." That was fun.  I think if we can't laugh at ourselves and our
> prsent situation, things are sad indeed.  I am a three time GDB grad and
> have been using dogs for almost eighteen years.  When I started, I was told
> that only about half the puppies born at my school made it as guides for one
> reason or another.  I have now heard that about sixty percent are chosen.
> Our dogs now, lead a much more demanding life in general than they used to.
> This is because there are noqw more blind people in the work force, or just
> out and about doing things, like having families, etc.  I know having a dog
> was one of the best choices I have ever made and I strongly encourage those
> who have a life that a dog would help in, to apply and train with one.  Hope
> these thoughts help, and again thank you for having a list to bounce things
> around on and learn from each other.  Hope all are well.
> 
> 
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> > 1. Greetings and a Thank You (Robert Martin)
> > 2. Re: question about convention and booties. (cheryl echevarria)
> > 3. Re: Greetings and a Thank You (cheryl echevarria)
> > 4. Re: Greetings and a Thank You (Dan Weiner)
> > 5. Re: Success stats (Tami Kinney)
> > 6. Re: Success stats (Jeffrey Young)
> > 7. Re: question about convention and booties. (Tami Kinney)
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:56:29 -0500
> > From: Robert Martin <robert.martin at cfu.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: [nagdu] Greetings and a Thank You
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> > Good Morning,
> >
> > For the past couple of months I've been an infrequent contributer but a
> frequent reader of the contributions to this tlist. I have been unable to
> read everything because of my work but I have learned a great deal in
> preparation for my trip to the Seeing Eye to train with a guide dog partner.
> Tomorrow I fly to Morristown to begin my training and what I have learned
> from all of you gives me some sense of security and also confidence that I
> have, at a later age in life, made the right decision. Thanks to all of you
> for your work and the information you share.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bob Martin
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:59:07 -0400
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] question about convention and booties.
> > Message-ID: <BLU162-ds133D8B2818AF54BBBF70D5A1520 at phx.gbl>
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> >
> > my very first convention in 2007 in Atlanta, was the first one I went
> alone with Maxx, I had just got him in Feb of 2007. He was great, never
> estimate you dogs, I find maxx works better after seeing other dogs, it's
> like us seeing our old friends, and once he calms down after saying hello,
> we have to remember our training of meet and greeting people I think we
> sometimes forget.
> >
> > Myself included.
> >
> > I again will be alone, Hubby not coming, but welcome which ever you
> decide.
> >
> > I might be at the full meeting on the 3rd I am also giving a presentation
> at the Travel and Tourism meeting, so I have to budget my time.
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sherrill O'Brien<mailto:sherrill.obrien at verizon.net>
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] question about convention and booties.
> >
> >
> > Hello Tara,
> >
> > You've certainly come to the right place for advice on this important
> > question. It's especially difficult to make this decision if you and/or
> your
> > dog have never experienced an NFb convention.
> > Though many on this list have read the excellent Braille Monitor article
> > about taking your guide to convention, there are always new subscribers
> who
> > have never read it. So I am pasting it in this post following my name. If
> > you have never read it and are debating whether to take your dog, this
> > article will be extremely helpful to you.
> >
> > I have never used booties on my dogs, and I've lived in Florida for thirty
> > years. Sidewalks are truly not too hot for your dog's paws. As Julie said,
> > it's the asphalt in parking lots which you should avoid during the heat of
> > the day. There is a large parking lot which I have to cross to get to the
> > grocery store or my church. I don't worry about it in the morning and
> > evening. But in the summer, I don't walk on it during most of the day.
> > It's a good idea to stop and put your hand down flat on the asphalt, and
> > if you can't leave it there for more than a couple seconds, I wouldn't
> > subject my dog to it unless it's just a short distance from, say, a car to
> > the grass or the sidewalk. I especially make sure I don't force my dog to
> > stand still for any length of time on it. But remember that if you work
> your
> > dog outside all year, the pads naturally toughen up.
> >
> > And please know that there will be lots of experienced guide dog users at
> > convention who will be more than glad to help you out with any questions
> or
> > concerns should you decide to bring your dog.
> >
> > Sherrill
> >
> > Top Ten Tips for a Successful Convention Trip with a Guide Dog
> > Braille Monitor
> >
> > May
> > 2006
> > Top Ten Tips for a Successful Convention Trip with a Guide Dog
> > by Melissa Riccobono
> >
> > >From the Editor: The following article first appeared in the
> Spring/Summer
> > 2005
> > issue of Harness Up, the publication of the National Association of Guide
> > Dog
> > Users. Melissa Riccobono is an exemplary guide dog user. She has slightly
> > revised her article for publication in the Braille Monitor in preparation
> > for
> > the 2006 national convention. It contains valuable advice for all of us,
> > guide
> > dog and cane users alike. This is what she says:
> >
> > The NFB national convention--there's absolutely nothing like it! The
> energy,
> > the
> > meetings, the people, the late nights and early mornings... I can honestly
> > say
> > it's the busiest, craziest week I'll spend all year. I've been going to
> the
> > NFB
> > national convention for the last seven years, and every year I swear I'll
> > try to
> > get more sleep and eat meals more regularly so that I won't get so
> > exhausted,
> > but somehow that never works out. And actually I wouldn't have it any
> other
> > way.
> > I wouldn't feel as if I was at convention unless I was a part of the
> crazy,
> > chaotic convention experience.
> > Yet in the midst of the chaos and the hectic schedule, I need to stop and
> > take
> > the convention experience of someone else into account. That someone is my
> > nine-year-old black lab, Fanta. Fanta has been coming to conventions with
> me
> > from the beginning, and I know it's a hectic, stressful week for her. But
> > over
> > the years I've learned a lot about Fanta at convention, and I've realized
> > some
> > things I can do to make this week in July as easy as possible for her. I'd
> > like
> > to share my top ten tips with guide dog users in hopes that some of them
> > will
> > help to make convention easier for your dogs. I'm sure many of you already
> > do
> > some or all of these things, but I hope you will read this article to the
> > end,
> > because it never hurts to be reminded of the small things we can do to
> make
> > our
> > dogs' convention experiences more enjoyable.
> >
> > Tip 1. Decide if Convention Is the Right Place for Your Dog.
> > This seems obvious, but I encourage you to take a few minutes now to think
> > about
> > whether the national convention is the right place to take your dog. I
> > believe
> > you should do this especially if you've never taken your dog to convention
> > before. Ask yourself the following questions.
> >
> > Is your dog extremely stressed in big crowds of people?
> > Is your dog afraid of canes?
> > Does your dog get along with other dogs, or does he or she tend to be
> > aggressive
> > toward them?
> > Is your dog easily distracted by other dogs?
> > How long have you and your dog been together?
> > Are you confident in your ability to work well as a team?
> >
> > Bear in mind that convention is full of crowds of people, many of them
> > swinging
> > long white canes back and forth, as well as many other guide dogs. If your
> > dog
> > exhibits extreme stress in large crowds; is afraid of canes; or is
> > aggressive
> > toward, afraid of, or distracted by other dogs, convention is probably not
> a
> > good place for him or her to be. In my opinion convention is also not
> likely
> > to
> > be a good place for a new guide dog team. I would recommend a team be
> > together
> > at least four months before attending a convention, but of course this
> > varies
> > from one team to another. Some teams jell after only a month or so, while
> > others
> > might take a year to really settle down and work their best together.
> > Think about how well you and your dog work together and how stress makes
> you
> > act
> > and react toward your dog. If you become upset and stressed in crowded,
> > noisy
> > situations and you transmit these feelings to your dog, convention would
> > probably be a good place to brush up on your cane skills.
> > If you're wondering whether or not you should take your dog to national
> > convention, I suggest you talk with someone who takes or has taken his or
> > her
> > dog to convention. Such a person can give you many more details about what
> > convention is like than I can in this article. In fact, perhaps talking to
> > two
> > or more people would be helpful since everyone's experience is slightly
> > different.
> >
> > Tip 2. Treat Your Dog for Fleas before You Leave Home.
> > So, you've decided to take your dog to convention. Now it's time to pack
> and
> > get
> > ready to go. I would suggest treating your dog for fleas before you get on
> > the
> > plane. This will insure that you won't bring any unpleasant little
> critters
> > to
> > the hotel with you. It also means you will not pass fleas on to other
> dogs,
> > and
> > your dog will be protected in case someone else isn't as considerate.
> >
> > Tip 3. Orient Yourself to the Hotel to Make Life Easier for You and Your
> Dog
> > OK, so you've decided to take your dog to convention, and you've treated
> > your
> > dog for fleas. Now you've arrived in a huge hotel, and you don't know
> where
> > anything is. I recommend devoting some time to orient yourself to the
> hotel
> > as
> > soon as possible after arriving. I always bring a cane with me to
> > convention,
> > and often I heel my dog and walk around with my cane a bit. This helps me
> > get a
> > better feel for the hotel, and it helps me give Fanta clearer, more
> > confident
> > directions. Walking somewhere with my cane also allows me to point things
> > out to
> > Fanta. This may help her remember where something is later. I find that
> the
> > more
> > I wander around, trying to find something, the more confused both Fanta
> and
> > I
> > become. This doesn't help either of us. Do I still get lost, even after
> > walking
> > around the hotel with my cane a bit? Absolutely! That's unavoidable, but I
> > believe that using my cane a little in the beginning is still helpful.
> >
> > Tip 4. Remember Your Dog's Needs as Well as Your Own
> > Convention is a busy time for everyone. It's one week out of the year when
> I
> > usually don't eat regular or healthy meals. But I always try to keep
> Fanta's
> > food and water needs in the back of my mind. I suggest trying to keep your
> > dog's
> > feeding schedule as normal as possible. If that means leaving a meeting a
> > little
> > early or getting somewhere a little late, at least you'll have a happy dog
> > who
> > has been fed to take with you. Keeping a regular feeding schedule also
> helps
> > with relieving, as I'm sure all of you know.
> > If you know you're not going to get back to your room to feed your dog,
> > bring
> > the food with you when you leave your room in the morning. This way you
> can
> > always feed your dog in the rest room if necessary.
> > Convention meeting rooms can get warm. I usually carry a water bottle and
> a
> > portable dog dish with me so that I can give Fanta water in case she gets
> > thirsty before we return to our room. I usually look at food and water at
> > convention this way. Am I hungry? How late is it? Is Fanta hungry too? Has
> > she
> > gotten all of her food today? Am I thirsty? Is Fanta thirsty too? How long
> > has
> > it been since she's had water?
> >
> > Tip 5. Relieve Your Dog Often.
> > I cannot emphasize this tip enough. During convention your dog does a lot
> of
> > walking. He or she is also relieving in a strange place with lots of
> > distractions. Even if I don't think Fanta has to go, I usually take her to
> > the
> > relieving area at every opportunity. Over the years she has surprised me
> > more
> > than once by relieving even when I didn't think she would have to. Giving
> > your
> > dog as many opportunities as possible to relieve means you will be less
> > likely
> > to have an accident to clean up. Remember, both stress and activity cause
> > dogs
> > to relieve more often, so my advice is to relieve your dog even more than
> > you
> > ordinarily do at home.
> >
> > Tip 6. Clean up after Your Dog
> > Cleaning up after your dog in the relief area is your responsibility. If
> you
> > do,
> > you leave the area clean for the next team who uses it. I also find it
> > useful to
> > clean up after Fanta at convention because that enables me to keep track
> of
> > what
> > she does and how often.
> > Convention is a stressful place. When Fanta has gotten an upset stomach,
> it
> > was
> > helpful for me to pick up after her and realize what was happening. I
> could
> > then
> > watch her carefully and pay attention even more closely to her relieving
> > needs.
> > If your dog does have an accident of any kind, do your best to clean it up
> > yourself immediately. Always carrying extra plastic bags and paper towels
> > for
> > this purpose is a good idea. Never just walk away from a mess because
> you're
> > embarrassed it happened and hope that no one will notice that you were
> > responsible. If it happens late at night, when few people are about, you
> > should
> > request assistance from a member of the hotel staff. If you are faced with
> > this
> > problem during the day or early evening, try to find a passer-by to ask an
> > NFB
> > staff member with a two-way radio to notify the relief-area staff to come
> to
> > your assistance. Alternatively someone could go to the relief area for you
> > and
> > summon help. A volunteer could also stand over the problem area,
> protecting
> > other people from stepping into it while you go to find a relief worker.
> To
> > preserve our good relationship with hotel personnel, we must always try to
> > prevent accidents whenever possible and to deal with them within the
> > organization whenever we can.
> >
> > Tip 7. Keep Your Dog Out of the Way.
> > This can be tough, especially with a big dog in a relatively small space,
> > but do
> > what you can to keep your dog out of the aisle. Your dog will be much
> > happier if
> > he or she is not stepped on, and people who are trying to get from place
> to
> > place will appreciate having a free space to walk. Fanta has actually
> become
> > accustomed to curling up as tightly as possible at convention. When I'm
> > sitting,
> > I push her as far back under my chair as she'll go. At times she's even
> > positioned herself sideways under my chair so that very little of her
> sticks
> > out. Of course she has an advantage because she's a smaller lab, but even
> > big
> > dogs can be slid under a chair at least a little.
> > Try also to keep your dog out of the way in your hotel room, especially if
> > you're sharing the room with other people. I usually try to designate a
> > corner
> > for Fanta in my room out of the way as much as possible. If need be, I can
> > put
> > her on her tie down or leash in that corner and know she won't be stepped
> on
> > and
> > can relax.
> >
> > Tip 8. Beware of Food.
> > Convention is a place where many people raise money by selling candy bars,
> > peanuts, crackers, and many other snacks. People also bring food into
> > general
> > sessions with them to eat if they get hungry. Inevitably food drops on the
> > floor, which is at the least distracting and at the worst dangerous for
> your
> > dog, especially if chocolate is involved. Keep track of what your dog is
> > doing
> > when you walk. If he or she is sniffing or has stopped to pick something
> up,
> > investigate right away. When you're sitting in meetings, make sure to hold
> > onto
> > your dog's leash at all times and keep track of what he or she is doing.
> > I learned this the hard way. I once gave Fanta's leash to a friend for a
> few
> > minutes, got up, and ran an errand using my cane. When I came back, my
> > friend
> > told me apologetically that Fanta had turned herself around, crawled on
> her
> > stomach completely underneath my chair to the row behind me, and eaten a
> > muffin
> > that someone had in a bag under her chair. This was very embarrassing
> > because I
> > felt really bad that my dog had eaten someone's breakfast. I offered to
> buy
> > the
> > person a new muffin, but she wouldn't let me. Luckily she was a dog lover
> > and
> > didn't seem too bothered by the whole thing. But I was embarrassed. I was
> > also
> > worried that Fanta would get sick from the muffin. This experience taught
> me
> > to
> > be more careful of whom I leave Fanta with or whether to leave her at all.
> > Am I
> > saying that Fanta would not have gotten the muffin if I had been there?
> No.
> > I
> > might have let my guard down and stopped paying attention, so it might
> have
> > happened anyway. But, let me tell you, this lesson has taught me to pay
> > attention to where Fanta is during meetings. If I can help it, I never
> want
> > her
> > to get a muffin or any other unintended food again.
> > One more word about food. If you're fundraising yourself or sharing a room
> > with
> > someone who's fundraising, make sure that whatever you're selling is kept
> > out of
> > your dog's reach. This is only common sense, but it's easy to forget about
> > putting food out of reach when you're unpacking and thinking of a million
> > other
> > things. And the person you share a room with may not be used to dogs, so a
> > gentle reminder from you to keep food in a drawer or on a high closet
> shelf
> > won't hurt.
> >
> > Tip 9. Give Your Dog Breaks.
> > Convention is a stressful place for dogs and people alike. Make sure you
> > give
> > your dog breaks from the hustle and bustle whenever possible. Even fifteen
> > minutes in your room off leash or on tie down can be very helpful for
> > relieving
> > your dog's stress level. Make sure you pack some type of toy for your dog
> to
> > chew or play with during these breaks. Fanta loves her bone and her Kong,
> > and I
> > make sure they are both in my convention suitcase. Don't leave your dog
> > alone,
> > however, when you are giving him or her a break. Dogs left alone,
> especially
> > those who may be under some stress already, are more likely to chew, bark,
> > whine, etc. Also hotel housekeeping staff will often refuse to clean a
> room
> > with
> > an unattended dog inside. So, if you really feel your dog needs a break
> and
> > you
> > can't take a break yourself, try to find someone you know and trust who
> > wouldn't
> > mind keeping your dog in a quiet place for a while.
> >
> > Tip 10. Listen to What Your Dog Is Telling You.
> > One of the best things about dogs is their ability to communicate. This is
> > very
> > helpful during guide work and makes me feel great when Fanta says she
> loves
> > me.
> > This communication is especially important at convention. Listen to what
> > your
> > dog is telling you. As much as possible try to be patient with your dog as
> > he or
> > she navigates big crowds. If he or she seems hesitant, don't just urge or
> > correct him or her forward without checking whether or not your dog wants
> > you to
> > avoid something. This can be challenging, especially if you're lost or in
> a
> > hurry to get somewhere, but it will make convention easier for both of
> you.
> > In meetings make sure you pay attention to your dog's behavior. Is he or
> she
> > panting, whining, or restless? Is this normal behavior? If not, pay
> > attention to
> > that behavior. Does your dog need to relieve? Is he or she thirsty? Does
> he
> > or
> > she need a break? Be a detective and try to figure out and take care of
> your
> > dog's needs. It will make him or her, you, and those around you more
> > comfortable.
> > As I say, these ten tips are common sense, but I appreciate your taking
> the
> > time
> > to read to the end of this article anyway. I appreciate the fact that you
> > care
> > so much about your dogs that you will do all you can to give them a
> positive
> > convention experience.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> > Behalf Of Julie J.
> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:51 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] question about convention and booties.
> >
> >
> > Tara,
> >
> > Do what's right for you. Some people take their guides to convention
> > and some don't. Neither option is better than the other. It completely
> > depends on what works for the individual team.
> >
> > Some points to ponder...
> > How far from your routine will you be during convention? How flexible
> > with feeding, relieving and sleeping is your dog?
> > How comfortable are you in crowds? How comfortable is your dog with
> > crowds? canes? people not moving out of your way? How affected is your
> > dog by your own stress? Can you manage your own stress so you can work
> > effectively with your dog?
> > Will you be attending events where you are not taking your guide? i.e.
> > loud music events, water skiing, etc. Do you have someone to watch your
> > dog at these times?
> > Are you okay with taking time for extra relief breaks and setting aside
> > time for relaxing?
> >
> > About the boots...I have never used them. To me it seems like it would
> > be just one more thing for me to forget or lose. *smile* the dog's paws
> > will toughen up with use. If you notice a faster pace on hot pavement,
> > a sort of prancing or picking up the paws dramatically, the pavement is
> > too hot. I've only ever experienced this on asphalt roads or parking lots.
> >
> > HTH
> > Julie
> >
> >
> > On 6/24/2011 12:18 PM, Tara Chavez wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > I have a couple of questions. I am currently debating whether or not to
> > take
> > > my guide dog with me to convention. I've heard opinions on both sides
> and
> > > wonder what most people do.
> > > I've heard not to take her because I'd end up stressing her out more,
> plus
> > > I'd be worrying more about her and less likely to have fun at
> convention.
> > > I've also heard that I should take her (or at least I think I should)
> > > because of the experience of traveling and navigating the hotel and all
> > that
> > > with her by my side. I am curious what a lot of people do. I know as a
> > guide
> > > dog user that I am proud of that and I want the world to know that I
> have
> > a
> > > wonderful companion... Thoughts?
> > > My other questions is about booties. I used them a lot last year when I
> > > first came home, but not a whole lot since. Now that it's getting into
> the
> > > 90's and up, I want to be able to work my dog in booties, but she gets
> > > stressed when I put them on. I've tried putting them on and feeding her
> > > dinner, since that was a suggestion from GDB when I asked them. I've
> also
> > > tried clickering her for allowing me to put them on her, but she has
> been
> > so
> > > stressed that she won't accept even high-value reward. Any suggestions?
> I
> > > can't not work my dog because of the heat, can I?
> > > Thank you,
> > > Tara
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
> > > 2. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
> > > 3. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
> > > 4. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
> > > 5. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
> > > 6. Re: Different types of dogs (Tami Kinney)
> > > 7. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Dan Weiner)
> > > 8. Re: DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS (Tami Kinney)
> > > 9. Re: what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
> > > 10. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
> > > 11. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
> > > 12. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
> > > 13. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
> > > 14. . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Arthur Nolden)
> > > 15. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Sean Moore)
> > > 16. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (cheryl echevarria)
> > > 17. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Julie Phillipson)
> > > 18. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Tami Kinney)
> > > 19. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (cheryl echevarria)
> > > 20. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
> > > 21. Cloning (Tracy Carcione)
> > > 22. Re: Cloning (PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC))
> > > 23. Success stats (Tracy Carcione)
> > > 24. Re: Cloning (Tami Kinney)
> > > 25. Re: Success stats (Tami Kinney)
> > > 26. Re: Success stats (Sheila Leigland)
> > > 27. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Margo and Arrow)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:37:45 -0400
> > > From: "Hope Paulos"<hope.paulos at gmail.com<mailto:hope.paulos at gmail.com>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<6B86F91030FB44F6AE73B7A433F26478 at Espy<mailto:6B86F91030FB44F6AE7
> 3B7A433F26478 at Espy>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > Breeze
> > > from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not attending
> > > convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and have
> > > tickets filled out?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Hope and Beignet
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:39 -0400
> > > From: Buddy Brannan<buddy at brannan.name<mailto:buddy at brannan.name>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<35856142-62E1-4EEE-B450-71702C4DA917 at brannan.name<mailto:3585614
> 2-62E1-4EEE-B450-71702C4DA917 at brannan.name>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > > Paypal link.
> > > --
> > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Hope and Beignet
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> nagdu mailing list
> > >> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
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> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > nagdu:
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> >
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> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:25:26 -0400
> > > From: "Hope Paulos"<hope.paulos at gmail.com<mailto:hope.paulos at gmail.com>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<B192608FE5C8458AA68DB537300A3308 at Espy<mailto:B192608FE5C8458AA68
> DB537300A3308 at Espy>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Thanks Buddy. Again, you're a life-saver. :)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Buddy Brannan"<buddy at brannan.name<mailto:buddy at brannan.name>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > >> Paypal link.
> > >> --
> > >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > >>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > >>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> > >>> and have tickets filled out?
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>> Hope and Beignet
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> nagdu mailing list
> > >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
> g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
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> > >>> nagdu:
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> >
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> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> nagdu mailing list
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> > >>
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> > >> nagdu:
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> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.c
> <http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.
> c>
> > > om
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:27:39 -0400
> > > From: "Marion
> Gwizdala"<blind411 at verizon.net<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<440C123849064754B6CFE0901F9B002B at marion27df4b2a<mailto:440C12384
> 9064754B6CFE0901F9B002B at marion27df4b2a>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Hope,
> > > We attempted to make entries available through Pay pal; however, they
> > do
> > >
> > > not allow raffles and shut it down. We are working to get our account
> > > re-activated so we can collect membership dues. The challenge we would
> > face
> > > selling tickets outside of convention is how to accept payment. next
> year,
> > > we will have learned how to use Pay Pal without breaching our user
> > > agreement. If you have any suggestions as to how we can sell tickets
> > without
> > >
> > > using Pay Pal, please feel free to make suggestions. We are open to
> > allowing
> > >
> > > anyone who wants to support our projects the opportunity to do so!
> > >
> > > Fraternally yours,
> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > National Federation of the Blind
> > > 813-626-2789
> > > President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG>
> > > HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG<http://www.nagdu.org/>
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hope Paulos"<hope.paulos at gmail.com<mailto:hope.paulos at gmail.com>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:37 PM
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > >> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > >> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> > and
> > >> have tickets filled out?
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Hope and Beignet
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> nagdu mailing list
> > >> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
> g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
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> > >> nagdu:
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> > >
> >
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> e>
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:28:54 -0400
> > > From: "Marion
> Gwizdala"<blind411 at verizon.net<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<C132140FEFD44563B2E062079C3E80AC at marion27df4b2a<mailto:C132140FE
> FD44563B2E062079C3E80AC at marion27df4b2a>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Buddy,
> > > Unfortunately, we had to shut down that option, as Pay Pal suspended
> > our
> > >
> > > account! You were one of the few that got in before this happened. now
> we
> > > are working to access those funds!
> > >
> > > Marion
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Buddy Brannan"<buddy at brannan.name<mailto:buddy at brannan.name>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > >> Paypal link.
> > >> --
> > >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > >>> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > >>> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> > >>> and have tickets filled out?
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>> Hope and Beignet
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> nagdu mailing list
> > >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
> g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
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> > >>> nagdu:
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> >
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> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/buddy%40brannan.name>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> nagdu mailing list
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> > >>
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> e>
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:55:51 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Different types of dogs
> > >
> Message-ID:<1308858951.2044.12.camel at tamara-desktop<mailto:1308858951.2044.1
> 2.camel at tamara-desktop>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Mardi,
> > >
> > > Just remember to collect and save some genetic material from Nala.
> > > Cloning technology is improving, and costs are coming down as R&D
> > > expenses are paid off. Unlike the adaptive tech market in a lot of areas
> > > still. But that's another matter. I'm glad someone else will admit to
> > > seriously wanting to do that. /lol/ Blurting that out in conversation
> > > can generate awkward silence broken by strangled stutterings. I havent'
> > > checked for awhile, but cloning is probably still beyond the means of
> > > the likes of you and I... By the time I need to start looking for
> > > Mitzi's successor, though, who knows? If it is possible for me to take
> > > that route, who knows what I will decide, really? She's only 5, and
> > > genetic health problems could still show up (I'm in denial about that),
> > > etc. Physically, she is healthy and sound, except for some early issues
> > > from bugs, not genes. Her temperament is fantastic, and I love her
> > > poodly brains and even obstinance at work, home and play. Also, as I
> > > keep telling her, she will be helping me raise herself, so that's
> > > vengeance for me for her puppyhood. /lol/ She grins and wags her tail
> > > as if I am being silly. Whether she knows what I am saying or not (I
> > > really do wonder sometimes even when she can't possibly), I get the
> > > impression she generally assumes that if I am talking, I am just being
> > > silly for her amusement. I then begin to wonder if I am a masochist
> > > when it comes to guide dogs. /lol/
> > >
> > > The greater choice in breed and individual is a big plus to
> > > owner-training. Except for the part where you're looking for the right
> > > pup from the breed you've selected, which is really nerve-wracking and
> > > can take a lot of time. Unless you're lucky, which seems to have
> > > happened to me with Mitzi. Maybe that's another reason I just want to
> > > clone her when the time comes. I don't have to turn myself into a wreck
> > > wondering if I will find that elusive new prospect in a puppy... Scary
> > > stuff, that! /smile/
> > >
> > > Glad Shaman is doing well and progressing. He must be pretty adult,
> > > too, by now and building up experience. That's when it starts to be real
> > > fun. /grin/
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:29 -0700, Mardi Hadfield wrote:
> > >> Hi all, If you need a guide dog and go to a school to get it, you
> > > probably
> > >> don't have a lot of choice in what breed of dog you want. You may be
> able
> > > to
> > >> state a preference,but that is no guarantee that you will actually get
> > > what
> > >> you asked for. I think that for a first time dog user, it is wise to
> let
> > >> the school match you with the dog that they feel is best for you.Maybe
> on
> > >> your second time you can get the kind of dog you want as you will have
> > the
> > >> experience of already working with a dog. Of course this is just my
> > >> opinion,but to me it makes sense. On the other hand, if you are an
> owner
> > >> trainer and have a certain preference, go for it!My chosen breed is the
> > >> Siberian Husky. This is not the breed for every one! There are many
> cons
> > > and
> > >> some pros. For me, I needed a dog that could keep up with my power
> > >> wheelchair and my very active life style.A breed that did not tire
> easily
> > >> and could go all day. The husky fit the bill for me.Since I already had
> a
> > >> husky service dog,I just trained her as a guide dog. She was a
> wonderful
> > >> guide but had to be retired early as she got Vally Fever. This is a
> > > disease
> > >> limited to the southwest. She died unexpectedly a month after her
> > >> retirement.I was lucky to have found another Husky to train as my next
> > >> guide. This dog has been an exceptional guide dog. She has gone above
> and
> > >> beyond as a guide dog.I don't expect to find another like her.I wish I
> > > could
> > >> have her cloned,but my finances being what they are,well it's just not
> > >> possible. When I was looking for another dog to take over for Nala so
> she
> > >> could retire, I just could not find a husky that could do the job.
> After
> > >> trying several that "washed out",I expanded my search to other breeds.
> I
> > >> found a Belgian Shepherd that had been rescued from a shelter. He was
> the
> > >> one that worked out. He has become a wonderful guide. We had a few
> > > setbacks
> > >> in the beginning but he has worked out very well.To date, Nala,my
> second
> > >> Husky has been the best guide I have ever had,but with time,who knows.
> > >> Shaman may become just as good. He is excellent when it comes to
> traffic
> > >> checks, and has already saved my butt several times! Different people
> > > have
> > >> different needs when it comes to guide dogs. Some need fast dogs,some
> > need
> > >> slower dogs. I consider myself very lucky to have found dogs of the
> > breeds
> > >> that I like and had them become wonderful guides.But If I were to go to
> a
> > >> school to get a dog sometime in the future, I would probably take
> > whatever
> > >> dog they matched me with as it is unlikely that I would get a
> Husky.Have
> > a
> > >> great day, Mardi andShaman and Nala,retired.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:00:30 -0400
> > > From: "Dan Weiner"<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net<mailto:dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>>
> > > To: "'Florida Association of Guide Dog
> Users'"<flagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:flagdu at nfbnet.org>>,
> > > "'NAGDU
> List'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>,<blindtlk at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3E,%3C
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org>>,
> > > "'NFB
> > > Chapter
> presidents'"<chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org<mailto:chapter-presidents at nfbnet.
> org>>
> > > Cc: marion.gwizdala at verizon.net<mailto:marion.gwizdala at verizon.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
> > >
> Message-ID:<20110623200036.D2A959ABD at tonnant.cnc.net<mailto:20110623200036.D
> 2A959ABD at tonnant.cnc.net>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > > Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to make
> > > government have different priorities, that's not just about blind
> people.
> > >
> > > It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
> > > tricky thing.
> > >
> > > I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized
> blind
> > > movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
> > > People feel powerless. Especially we blind people have spent most of our
> > > lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do things.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:02:01 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
> > >
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> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Oh! thanks for telling me so. As you may have guessed I love going about
> > > my dog, dogs, my dog, every dog I've ever met... So I'm always glad when
> > > my ramblings turn out to actually be helpful to someone. /smile/
> > >
> > > It's all my own experience and what I've picked up from others or other
> > > dogs I've had, more and more informed by my growing experience as a
> > > guide dog user. So I'm better at evaluating pros and cons of the
> > > various breed and type options in light of what I want in a guide.
> > >
> > > I've liked hearing what most others have said on the matter of
> > > preference itself. It is very, very individual when it comes right down
> > > to it.
> > >
> > > The even more important thing is the individual dog we are matched with
> > > or end up with meets our needs in a way that enhances our lives. Which
> > > seems to happen most of the time, so that's a good thing. Glad you're
> > > enjoying your pup and life as a guide dog handler!
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:47 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
> > >> Tami ,
> > >> Thanks very informative!
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Tami Kinney
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:56 PM
> > >> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
> > >>
> > >> Brittney,
> > >>
> > >> Were you also informed which preference you were supposed to
> > >> have? /evil grin/
> > >>
> > >> I thought the whole poodle as guide dog notion was pretty iffy when I
> > >> first heard of it, but ended up putting in some time, energy and
> expense
> > >> getting my hands on one anyway for practical reasons. Now I can't
> > >> understand why everybody else isn't running around demanding poodle
> > >> guides... Until I remember that poodles are, you know, poodles.
> > >> Definitely an acquired taste, but addictive once you get hooked. Unless
> > >> you want a quiet life, free of excitement and strife. The lack of
> > >> shedding is a big plus in a lot of ways, but the cost of grooming is
> not
> > >> easy on a budget. If you try to save now and then by stretching out
> > >> time between trims, you find yourself doing nothing but grooming the
> > >> poodle. Well, Mitzi has the soft, thick, fine coat and an extra measure
> > >> of it at that, so it is absolutely gorgeous and wonerful to the touch
> > >> while being absolutely impossible to keep free of industrial-grade
> > >> snarls close to the skin if you don't keep on it. Also, the poodle does
> > >> nto appear to be constructed to curl up in a tidy ball that will fit
> > >> neatly under even a really big chair, so it you're uptight about the
> > >> finer points of etiquette, a girl can really stress herself out about
> > >> that until she finally gives up and loosens up and finds a way to
> > >> achieve the same goals in a way that will actually work. /lol/ From
> > >> what I hear, bear-sized labs will curl up into tidy balls that will fit
> > >> under toddler chairs and be perfectly comfortable doing it. I'm
> > >> exaggerating, but I've heard of folks with 90 pound labs that will fit
> > >> places I have not been able to stuff my poodle to begin with, and even
> > >> then bits of her start popping out like they've been spring-loaded, so
> I
> > >> have driven myself nuts on the bus and train desperately trying to
> round
> > >> up legs and noses and stubby tails enough for 7 dogs! She would be
> > >> trying to comply but she sure would sigh a lot. Also, she has a huge
> > >> need to watch *everything* so our rules for keeping her out of the way
> > >> and safe including her being positioned where she can do that without
> > >> moving around. She's a super-mellow poodle, so I am routinely assurred,
> > >> but she is still a poodle. That same vigilance and curiosity works out
> > >> wonderfully when we're on the go, so I don't mind adjusting our seating
> > >> arrangements to keep her from getting twitchy. /smile/
> > >>
> > >> I've always had a yen for a sheperd guide and I still think they're
> > >> still pretty high on my list. The only thing that that breed loses
> > >> points over is their shedding and tendency to be a bit harder on people
> > >> with sensitivities to dander because of its pH or something... I
> > >> wouldn't let that last part stop me getting one, but the shedding
> itself
> > >> seems a bit daunting now that I'm spoiled. Not having a budget crunch
> > >> from profressional grooming all the time would be a big plus, that's
> for
> > >> sure! I might take on shaving and trimming a companion poodle myself,
> > >> but my professional dog requires a professional haircut.
> > >>
> > >> Dobies also thrill me, for many of the same reasons GSDs do, only with
> > >> shorter hair and less shedding and brushing. I'm lazy, so when Mitzi's
> > >> curls are shorn and I can just wipe her off with a damp cloth to spiif
> > >> her up for the most refined restaurant dining, I am happy as can be
> with
> > >> that arrangement. Dobie guide users speak of doing that with the dobie
> > >> coat, so big, big plus!
> > >>
> > >> I would like a dog with less adorability and perhaps a bit more of a
> > >> back-off quality and a rep to add some encouragement. Mitzi has a
> > >> pretty intense stare, but it just doesn't have the same effect on
> people
> > >> as it does when it comes from what looks like a guard/police dog. Here,
> > >> at least. The dirty little secret about poodles is that they're used as
> > >> guard dogs in other countries because they're a lot like dobies and
> > >> shepherds that way. It's something to bear in mind, especially in
> > >> choosing a poodle for guide work or anything else, really, since people
> > >> who have encountered bad-tempered poodles are scared to death of the
> > >> things. They can turn nasty if the temperament is not respected in
> > >> treatment and training. Statistically, they're responsible for more dog
> > >> bites than pit bulls. That includes the smaller types, too, I guess,
> > >> and those are more prone to temperament problems due to irresponsible
> > >> breeders. Sigh. Anyway, Mitzi is, in a lot of way, a woolly doberman
> > >> that just doesn't scare people because she's so cu-ute. She does have,
> > >> I have been told a very severe back-off look, but she seems to be more
> > >> likely to use her direct stare and exotic dark eyes to draw people in
> > >> and take control of their minds so that they will do whatever she wants
> > >> them to. /lol/ I've never been able to see her eyes, really, and see
> her
> > >> in my mind as not having any, but I can feel that stare and fall victim
> > >> to its power. Still, there are times it would be handy to have an
> > >> equally nonaggressive dog that could scare people off properly just by
> > >> looking at them. Mitzi has become quite the pro at dealing with all the
> > >> attention and reaching hands with grace and composure, and we've worked
> > >> out ways to keep it from getting out of hand, but... It would be nice
> > >> to have my dog admired from a safe distance by people who are inspired
> > >> to keep their hands to themselves. /smile/
> > >>
> > >> Labs come in lower on the preference list simply because I like the
> > >> herding/guarding breeds better, either as guides or as companions. I
> > >> like labs and just get giddy around my labbie friends and family -- my
> > >> sister has a 106 lb. black lab Mitzi's age, and he is just so awesome
> > >> and very labby in his manner and personality. Out of habit, when I
> > >> stood beside him, I held my hand over his back to measure him for a
> > >> harness... I would have to be a lot taller. He is a way cool dog and
> > >> just love him. But if someone were to offer me the choice between his
> > >> exact clone and, say, a dobie or shepherd or poodle, I'd pick the other
> > >> dog. Still, labs will start moving up my preference scale at some point
> > >> for the very traits that make them so popular and numerous. In fact, by
> > >> then I will no doubt be wanting an extra mellow, laid back, easy lab
> > >> guide, and I will love having a lab around because they really are
> > >> wonderful dogs.
> > >>
> > >> I just happen to prefer my super-alert, active, busy, difficult poodle
> > >> and want something along the same lines in case she doesn't obey the
> > >> live-forever command and I don't get her cloned. /lol/
> > >>
> > >> I don't know if that is in any way informative, but I always love these
> > >> questions because I learn so much about other handlers and the
> > >> differences between breeds and inviduals. So I'll shut up and get to
> > >> reading.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 16:21 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
> > >>> hello everyone,
> > >>> I always wanted to ask. Does the breed of dog you use as a guide
> > > matter?
> > >>> I know some guide dog users are really particular about a certain
> breed
> > >>> and others don?t care? Why is this? Before I got my guide people asked
> > >>> me what type of dog I wanted and I would ask, ?should I have a
> > >>> preference?? and I was told that I shouldn??t care. Before I start
> > >>> rambleing I just want to know the difference in different breeds?
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:32:44 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
> > >
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> > >
> > > Marion, et al.,
> > >
> > > Agreed, re: article and well-said. I appreciate the humor and the
> > > expression of thanks to the doers, whether it's the bits or the bites we
> > > contribute... While also making a strong statement. /smile/
> > >
> > > As I learn more about the organization -- and thus its warts and those
> > > of some of its people or even groups within the larger organization -- I
> > > keep hearing a long ago boss and mentor from my early career: Never go
> > > to the boss with a complaint without also having at least one solution
> > > to offer. Good advice from a wise woman! Having a solution to a problem
> > > is much easier in the context of your job and department or company than
> > > with a large member organization like the NFB, and at least one
> > > organizational wart really sticks in my craw, making it easy to feel
> > > whiney and powerless... But I know how much good I've gotten out of the
> > > past work and the current work, so I am more motivated to do my little
> > > bits to contribute... Very small bits! But those little things to keep
> > > entertained enough to avoid complaining to adamantly about things I
> > > would like to see done or changed, because then I would feel obligated
> > > to help be part of the solution... That thought does shut me up fairly
> > > often. Don't know if that's what my mentor had in mind, but if you're
> > > afraid to complain you do have more time to do other things. /lol/
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:08 -0400, Margo and Arrow wrote:
> > >> It's called taking ownership. marion, well-said email and like Cindy, I
> > >> think you might want to consider expanding it to a Monitor article.
> > >>
> > >> Margo and Arrow
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Cindy Ray"<cindyray at gmail.com<mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>>
> > >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:49 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Marion, I think that was well said. I think you should enlarge upon it
> > > and
> > >>> make a Monitor article out of it. I know that variations have been
> done
> > >>> before, but we can't hear it often enough.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cindy
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dear All,
> > >>>> Please excuse this cross-posting but I think it is important enough
> > >>>> that I wanted to share it with as many of you as possible. When I
> speak
> > >>>> with many blind people who find out I am a leader in the Federation,
> I
> > >>>> often have them say, "The NFB should ...". You can fill in the blank
> > > with
> > >>>> a myriad of suggestions of what needs to be done to improve the lives
> > > of
> > >>>> the blind. Generally, my response is, "Are you a member of the NFB?"
> > > The
> > >>>> most frequent answer is "No!" This opens the door for me to share
> that
> > >>>> the Federation is a membership organization - a grass roots Movement
> > > in
> > >>>> which each member must be actively involved in order for us to
> improve
> > >>>> our lives. It is not dr. Maurer; it is not the Board of Directors; it
> > > is
> > >>>> not the people who work at the National Center for the Blind; it is
> not
> > >>>> our divisions, our affiliates, or our chapters! It is each and every
> > >>>> member of the movement! I then invite them to become a member of the
> > > NFB
> > >>>> and hear the same tired excuses of not being a joiner, not
> > >>> having enough time, not wanting to choose sides, not agreeing with the
> > >>> philosophy, yah dah yah dah yah dah yawn! "In other words," I say,
> "you
> > >>> want someone else to solve your problems for you and are unwilling to
> > >>> help. Is that right?" Of course, they think I am a rude, obnoxious,
> > >>> belligerent Federationist, what my wife and I would call "C.B." -
> > >>> Confirmation Bias - the bias that "All Federationists are (fill in the
> > >>> blank!" and this experience confirms this belief!
> > >>>> I praise those of you who have joined me in our effort to improve
> > > the
> > >>>> lives of the blind. You have not made it someone else's problem to
> > > solve;
> > >>>> you have made it yours! To paraphrase the words of Mahatma Gandhi ,
> > > "You
> > >>>> are the change you want to see in the world!" Thank you for your
> > > service
> > >>>> and for joining me on the barricades! On to Orlando!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Fraternally yours,
> > >>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
> > >>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > >>>> National Federation of the Blind
> > >>>> 813-626-2789
> > >>>> President at NAGDU.ORG<mailto:President at NAGDU.ORG>
> > >>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG<http://www.nagdu.org/>
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> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:38:25 -0700
> > > From: Tami
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> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
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> > > Hope and Buddy,
> > >
> > > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
> > > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> > > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> > > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > > everyone's convenience.
> > >
> > > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > > president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
> > > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
> > > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > > Paypal link.
> > >> --
> > >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>> Hope and Beignet
> > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 11
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:56:54 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
> > >
> Message-ID:<1308862614.2044.47.camel at tamara-desktop<mailto:1308862614.2044.4
> 7.camel at tamara-desktop>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Yeah, I'm pretty new to be told that kind of crap all the time, so I
> > > just keep on getting real mad and obstinate. But I started noticing way
> > > too early on how often the constant battery would affect my thinking and
> > > decision-making, even though i know better! I am amazed -- and fairly
> > > weary -- by how much work I have to put in just to keep myself from
> > > starting to assume all those negative things about myself just because
> > > I'm blind.
> > >
> > > That experience does give me a greater appreciation for anyone who has
> > > been told that from childhood on for just getting up in the morning!
> > > Especially from my own age range and on. I realize that whatever the
> > > pros and cons of progressive vision loss, with the crossover to using
> > > noticeable adaptive methods and tools, the biggest benefit to me over my
> > > lifetime until earlier this century has been that people weren't
> > > treating me like I was blind! Also, driving and reading print a page at
> > > a glance provided many opportunities to go, do, learn which are more
> > > difficult and time-consuming now. So that's something I have benefited
> > > from especially in the context of my own generation. But i thought the
> > > way girls and women were treated then was bad and oppressive... Then I
> > > picked up a new skinny white friend in the 21st century, when women can
> > > do stuff like think and make decisions officially, and discovered what
> > > *real* oppression is like. Then I started learning how much better
> > > things are now! Yikes! Well, they're getting better all the time,
> > > because we're all just soldiering on together and each in our way, so
> > > the adventure continues.
> > >
> > > Still, I can't truly grasp some of the attitudes of blind people toward
> > > blindness, towards other blind people and towards themselves,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 16:00 -0400, Dan Weiner wrote:
> > >> Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to make
> > >> government have different priorities, that's not just about blind
> people.
> > >>
> > >> It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
> > >> tricky thing.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized
> blind
> > >> movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
> > >> People feel powerless. Especially we blind people have spent most of
> our
> > >> lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do
> things.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> nagdu mailing list
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> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 12
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:10:14 -0400
> > > From: Buddy Brannan<buddy at brannan.name<mailto:buddy at brannan.name>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<3A19B225-D79A-4497-9F65-264DCAB3F698 at brannan.name<mailto:3A19B22
> 5-D79A-4497-9F65-264DCAB3F698 at brannan.name>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
> > > confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
> > > --
> > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hope and Buddy,
> > >>
> > >> I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> out
> > >> they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > >> for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > >> PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> > >> tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> > >> deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > >> everyone's convenience.
> > >>
> > >> Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > >> president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
> > >> can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
> > >> we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > >> But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> > handy
> > > Paypal link.
> > >>> --
> > >>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > >>>> Thanks.
> > >>>> Hope and Beignet
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> nagdu mailing list
> > >>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
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> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> nagdu mailing list
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> > >>>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 13
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:38:01 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<1308865081.2044.49.camel at tamara-desktop<mailto:1308865081.2044.4
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> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Buddy, you are in the running for the Breeze, no worries. As is anyone
> > > else who paid before we had to cease and desist. Sorry for the
> > > confusion!
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:10 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > >> So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
> > > confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
> > >> --
> > >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hope and Buddy,
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> out
> > >>> they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > >>> for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > >>> PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have
> the
> > >>> tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how
> to
> > >>> deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > >>> everyone's convenience.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > >>> president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
> > >>> can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar
> when
> > >>> we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > >>> But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> > > handy Paypal link.
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > >>>>> Thanks.
> > >>>>> Hope and Beignet
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>> nagdu mailing list
> > >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 14
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:22:23 -0400
> > > From: "Arthur
> Nolden"<anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>
> > > To:<Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> Message-ID:<31BE0B810A9449B28F6C885AD16CD11C at yourc6417768d6<mailto:31BE0B810
> A9449B28F6C885AD16CD11C at yourc6417768d6>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Blind People Are Faking It!
> > >
> > > Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
> > > society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
> > > attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> have
> > a
> > > secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> > indicate
> > > that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans.
> We're
> > > speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
> > >
> > > Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> > first
> > > place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight, how does
> > > that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie Milsap?
> > How
> > > could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they take
> > us
> > > for-ignorant
> > > saps?
> > > The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> > > might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> on
> > > their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed
> > to
> > > help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
> > > bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip
> is
> > > painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> mysterious
> > > fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with
> > deadly
> > > force by those with skill.
> > >
> > > In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> > also
> > > own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
> along
> > > city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
> > > "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > >
> > > Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
> > > killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
> > > fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > frightening
> > > aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to
> > communicate
> > > with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
> > > consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane
> shapes.
> > > Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
> > > that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward
> > appearance:
> > > elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
> > >
> > > This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
> > But
> > > think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we know?
> > > Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will
> > change
> > > from "second
> > > floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
> > the
> > > chaos of revolution.
> > >
> > > At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
> > such
> > > a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one group
> > > possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it to
> > seize
> > > power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > >
> > > No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > threat
> > > where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the blind
> > > menace.
> > >
> > > Alan P., Nevada.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 15
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:38:06 -0400
> > > From: "Sean
> Moore"<sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> Message-ID:<C5461A4DD88D4166ACE61067E467507E at aspireone<mailto:C5461A4DD88D41
> 66ACE61067E467507E at aspireone>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > What the ...?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Arthur
> Nolden"<anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>
> > > To:<Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > >>
> > >> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
> > >> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
> > >> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> > have
> > >> a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> > >> indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of other
> > >> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
> blind.
> > >>
> > >> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> > >> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> > how
> > >> does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
> > >> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What
> > do
> > >> they take us for-ignorant
> > >> saps?
> > >> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> > >> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> on
> > >> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed
> > >> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if
> > >> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's
> > >> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> > >> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
> > >> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > >>
> > >> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > >> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > >> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> > >> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> guidance
> > >> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> > >> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > >>
> > >> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> of
> > >> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> somehow
> > >> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > >> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> ability
> > >> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> Their
> > >> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into
> > >> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
> > popping
> > >> up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday
> > >> outward appearance:
> > >> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
> > >>
> > >> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
> > >> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
> > >> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
> > >> will change from "second
> > >> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
> > >> the chaos of revolution.
> > >>
> > >> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
> > >> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
> > >> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
> it
> > >> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > >>
> > >> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > >> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> the
> > >> blind menace.
> > >>
> > >> Alan P., Nevada.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> nagdu mailing list
> > >> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org<http://www.nfbnet.or
> g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > >> nagdu:
> > >>
> > >
> >
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> <http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sean.moore%40mediaco
> m>
> > > bb.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 16
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:39:14 -0400
> > > From: "cheryl
> echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<BLU162-ds8084A15951C07A96F9600A1520 at phx.gbl<mailto:BLU162-ds8084
> A15951C07A96F9600A1520 at phx.gbl>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have to
> be
> > > for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
> > > whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
> > >
> > > Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was
> for
> > > the Raffle.
> > >
> > > There are ways around it.
> > >
> > > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> > >
> > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > >
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.
> echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> > > 631-456-5394
> > >
> >
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<m
> ailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatrav
> el.com>>
> > >
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > CST-1018299-10
> > >
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise& Travel,
> > Inc.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To:
> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:na
> gdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope and Buddy,
> > >
> > > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> > out
> > > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> > > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> > > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > > everyone's convenience.
> > >
> > > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > >
> president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org%3C
> mailto:president at nagdu.org>> or Toni Whaley at
> > >
> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org%3C
> mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org>> to see if you
> > > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar
> > when
> > > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> > > handy Paypal link.
> > > > --
> > > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> > Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Hope and Beignet
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> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 17
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:19:46 -0400
> > > From: "Julie
> Phillipson"<jbrew48 at verizon.net<mailto:jbrew48 at verizon.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> Message-ID:<4DAE90F955164F5AB7709851EC36B4D1 at acer4d025c48b8<mailto:4DAE90F95
> 5164F5AB7709851EC36B4D1 at acer4d025c48b8>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=response
> > >
> > > WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
> > > suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
> > > Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> for
> > > the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Julie Phillipson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sean
> Moore"<sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > >> What the ...?
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Arthur
> Nolden"<anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>
> > >> To:<Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > >> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > >>>
> > >>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
> > >>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> > vicious
> > >>> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> > >>> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence
> seems
> > >>> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of
> other
> > >>> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
> > blind.
> > >>>
> > >>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> > >>> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> > >>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
> Ronnie
> > >>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> What
> > >>> do they take us for-ignorant
> > >>> saps?
> > >>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> > >>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> > on
> > >>> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> > supposed
> > >>> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as
> if
> > >>> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the
> weapon's
> > >>> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> > >>> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
> > >>> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > >>>
> > >>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > >>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > >>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> blind
> > >>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> guidance
> > >>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> > >>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > >>>
> > >>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> of
> > >>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> somehow
> > >>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > >>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> ability
> > >>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> > Their
> > >>> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged
> into
> > >>> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
> > >>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
> > >>> everyday outward appearance:
> > >>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
> > >>>
> > >>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
> > >>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
> > >>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
> > >>> will change from "second
> > >>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
> > >>> the chaos of revolution.
> > >>>
> > >>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
> > >>> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
> one
> > >>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
> > it
> > >>> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > >>>
> > >>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > >>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> > the
> > >>> blind menace.
> > >>>
> > >>> Alan P., Nevada.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> nagdu mailing list
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> > >>>
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> m>
> > > bb.net
> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 18
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:31:13 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> Message-ID:<1308889873.2959.55.camel at tamara-desktop<mailto:1308889873.2959.5
> 5.camel at tamara-desktop>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > OMG! ROTFL! Heard the audio version a couple of days ago, but it just
> > > never stops being hysterical. Especially the way my new screen reader
> > > does it. I think I might have sprained something laughing!
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 18:22 -0400, Arthur Nolden wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > >>
> > >> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
> > > society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
> > > attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> have
> > a
> > > secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> > indicate
> > > that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans.
> We're
> > > speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
> > >> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> > > first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> how
> > > does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
> > Milsap?
> > > How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they
> > take
> > > us for-ignorant
> > >> saps?
> > >> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> > > might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> on
> > > their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed
> > to
> > > help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
> > > bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip
> is
> > > painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> mysterious
> > > fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with
> > deadly
> > > force by those with skill.
> > >> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > >> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> > also
> > > own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
> along
> > > city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
> > > "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > >> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> of
> > > killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
> > > fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > frightening
> > > aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to
> > communicate
> > > with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
> > > consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane
> shapes.
> > > Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
> > > that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward
> > appearance:
> > >> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
> > >>
> > >> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
> > > But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
> > know?
> > > Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will
> > change
> > > from "second
> > >> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
> > > the chaos of revolution.
> > >> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
> > > such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
> > > group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
> it
> > to
> > > seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > >> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > > threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> the
> > > blind menace.
> > >> Alan P., Nevada.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> nagdu mailing list
> > >> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >>
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> g/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org>
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> > > .net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 19
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:47:57 -0400
> > > From: "cheryl
> echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> Message-ID:<BLU162-ds13BBC737B2BC34501713C2A1520 at phx.gbl<mailto:BLU162-ds13B
> BC737B2BC34501713C2A1520 at phx.gbl>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > it is funny ART, you are funny.
> > >
> > > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> > >
> > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > >
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.
> echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> > > 631-456-5394
> > >
> >
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<m
> ailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatrav
> el.com>>
> > >
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > CST-1018299-10
> > >
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise& Travel,
> > Inc.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Julie
> Phillipson<mailto:jbrew48 at verizon.net<mailto:jbrew48 at verizon.net>>
> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > > Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > > WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I
> > would
> > > suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
> > > Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> > for
> > >
> > > the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Julie Phillipson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sean Moore"
> > >
> <sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moor
> e at mediacombb.net%3Cmailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net>>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > >
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:n
> agdu at nfbnet.org>>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > What the ...?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Arthur Nolden"
> > >
> <anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampa
> bay.rr.com%3Cmailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>>
> > > > To:<Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > > > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > > >>
> > > >> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> > > secret
> > > >> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> > > vicious
> > > >> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk
> > also
> > > >> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence
> > seems
> > >
> > > >> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of
> > > other
> > > >> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
> > > blind.
> > > >>
> > > >> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in
> > the
> > > >> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of
> > sight,
> > > >> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
> > > Ronnie
> > > >> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> > What
> > >
> > > >> do they take us for-ignorant
> > > >> saps?
> > > >> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of
> > armed
> > > >> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a
> > cudgel
> > > on
> > > >> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> > > supposed
> > > >> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost
> > as if
> > >
> > > >> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the
> > weapon's
> > >
> > > >> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied
> > the
> > > >> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
> > > >> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > > >>
> > > >> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > >> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > >> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> > blind
> > >
> > > >> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> > > guidance
> > > >> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters,
> > these
> > > >> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > > >>
> > > >> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a
> > species
> > > of
> > > >> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> > > somehow
> > > >> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > > >> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> > > ability
> > > >> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> > > Their
> > > >> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged
> > into
> > >
> > > >> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
> > > >> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their
> > mundane,
> > > >> everyday outward appearance:
> > > >> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> > > like.
> > > >>
> > > >> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> > > attention.
> > > >> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would
> > we
> > > >> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the
> > signs
> > > >> will change from "second
> > > >> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> > into
> > >
> > > >> the chaos of revolution.
> > > >>
> > > >> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> > planning
> > >
> > > >> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But
> > can
> > > one
> > > >> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to
> > use
> > > it
> > > >> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > > >>
> > > >> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see
> > the
> > > >> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary
> > of
> > > the
> > > >> blind menace.
> > > >>
> > > >> Alan P., Nevada.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > Message: 20
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:30:47 -0400
> > > From: "Marion
> Gwizdala"<blind411 at verizon.net<mailto:blind411 at verizon.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> Message-ID:<B560BFA05E674B108AC90002C499A6FB at marion27df4b2a<mailto:B560BFA05
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> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Cheryl,
> > > Thanks for the info. we are not going to pursue this for year, as I
> > > believe it would probably raise some red flags with Pay Pal. We will
> > > consider this option for next year's *drawing*!
> > >
> > > Marion
> > >
> > > this
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cheryl
> echevarria"<cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com<mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > >> well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have to
> > be
> > >> for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
> > >> whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
> > >>
> > >> Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was
> for
> > >> the Raffle.
> > >>
> > >> There are ways around it.
> > >>
> > >> Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> > >>
> > >> Cheryl Echevarria
> > >>
> http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/<http://www.
> echevarriatravel.com%3chttp//www.echevarriatravel.com/>>
> > >> 631-456-5394
> > >>
> > >
> >
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com<m
> ailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com%3Cmailto:reservations at echevarriatrav
> el.com>>
> > >> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > >> CST-1018299-10
> > >>
> > >> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise& Travel,
> > >> Inc.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Tami
> Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > >> To:
> nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:na
> gdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hope and Buddy,
> > >>
> > >> I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> > out
> > >> they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > >> for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > >> PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> > >> tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> > >> deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > >> everyone's convenience.
> > >>
> > >> Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > >>
> president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org%3C
> mailto:president at nagdu.org>> or Toni Whaley at
> > >>
> treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org%3C
> mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org>> to see if you
> > >> can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar
> > when
> > >> we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > >> But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> > >> handy Paypal link.
> > >> > --
> > >> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > >> > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> > Trekker
> > >> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > >> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> > and
> > >> have tickets filled out?
> > >> > > Thanks.
> > >> > > Hope and Beignet
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > Message: 21
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:18:15 -0400
> > > From: "Tracy Carcione"<carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
> > >
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> > >
> > > I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police
> department
> > > tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
> > > characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
> > > original. I thought that was interesting.
> > > I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
> > > not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness
> of
> > > the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things
> to
> > > have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 22
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:20:47 +0000
> > > From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M
> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com<mailto:REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>>
> > > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
> > >
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> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Keep in mind with cloning, you are not cloning souls. We all have them
> We
> > > also are not cloning experiences and interpertations on experiences. We
> > all
> > > have those too.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Tracy Carcione
> > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:18 AM
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
> > >
> > > I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police
> department
> > > tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
> > > characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
> > > original. I thought that was interesting.
> > > I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
> > > not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness
> of
> > > the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things
> to
> > > have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > sc.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 23
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:44:15 -0400
> > > From: "Tracy Carcione"<carcione at access.net<mailto:carcione at access.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Success stats
> > >
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> > >
> > > In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to
> improve
> > > their success rate from birth to a successful match. The report said
> that
> > > 80% of the dogs that enter training make it through. It also said that
> > > they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
> > > have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
> > > roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
> > > I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make it
> > > through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
> > > I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that ratio
> > > significantly. I'm also curious if it's about the same at other schools.
> > > 50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is. Anyway,
> > > these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
> > > others, too. If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
> > > more.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 24
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:24:44 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
> > >
> Message-ID:<1308932684.2091.34.camel at tamara-desktop<mailto:1308932684.2091.3
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> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > True! Since I plan to have several years before I have to make a
> > > decision, I can have fun with idea of doing it because I really do adore
> > > my poodle girl and want to hang on to her forever... When the time
> > > comes, and it's a *real* decision, who knows? As a lifelong sci-fi nut,
> > > it's just really exciting that we can now discuss the pros and cons
> > > seriuosly because we're not just making things up that will never be
> > > possible. /smile/
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:18 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > >> I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police
> > department
> > >> tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
> > >> characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
> > >> original. I thought that was interesting.
> > >> I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
> > >> not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness
> > of
> > >> the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things
> > to
> > >> have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
> > >> Tracy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > > Message: 25
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:30:36 -0700
> > > From: Tami
> Kinney<tamara.8024 at comcast.net<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
> > >
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> > >
> > > Tracy, I read the older stats you mentioned when I was researching the
> > > notion of owner-training, and they were awfully daunting since I was
> > > looking for one dog which meant I needed a 100 percent success rate to
> > > have a guide dog. And this was how it was working out for people who
> > > actually knew what they were doing? /lol/ There was also an equally
> > > daunting ratio of returns after the match or early retirements... I got
> > > the dog I found anyway and figured that I'd just start training her and
> > > see what happened.
> > >
> > > Anyway, thanks for sharing the updated info. I do have a vague item
> > > penciled in way down on my to do list to look into what changes there
> > > have been over time at various programs, so I'm glad someone else does
> > > that, too, and lets others know. Cool!
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 11:44 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > >> In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to
> > improve
> > >> their success rate from birth to a successful match. The report said
> > that
> > >> 80% of the dogs that enter training make it through. It also said that
> > >> they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
> > >> have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
> > >> roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
> > >> I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make
> it
> > >> through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
> > >> I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that
> ratio
> > >> significantly. I'm also curious if it's about the same at other
> schools.
> > >> 50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is. Anyway,
> > >> these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
> > >> others, too. If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
> > >> more.
> > >> Tracy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 26
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:23 -0600
> > > From: Sheila
> Leigland<sleigland at bresnan.net<mailto:sleigland at bresnan.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
> > >
> Message-ID:<auto-000290016377 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net<mailto:auto-00029001
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> > >
> > > The fifty percent is what I've heard and it seems low to me also. I hope
> > it
> > > changes or has changed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 27
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:56:17 -0400
> > > From: "Margo and
> Arrow"<margo.downey at verizon.net<mailto:margo.downey at verizon.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> Message-ID:<00EEE5F0BE5247D9BA2FCD3E80653E45 at meandmyarrow<mailto:00EEE5F0BE5
> 247D9BA2FCD3E80653E45 at meandmyarrow>>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=response
> > >
> > > It's from the Onion and the Onion spoofs everyone and everything.
> > >
> > > Margo and Arrow
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Julie
> Phillipson"<jbrew48 at verizon.net<mailto:jbrew48 at verizon.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > >> WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
> > >> Hi everyone,
> > >>
> > >> Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I
> would
> > >> suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
> > >> Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> > for
> > >> the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Julie Phillipson
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Sean
> Moore"<sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net>>
> > >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> What the ...?
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Arthur
> Nolden"<anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>
> > >>> To:<Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > >>> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> > secret
> > >>>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> > >>>> vicious attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious
> > folk
> > >>>> also have a secret means of communication, while shocking new
> evidence
> > >>>> seems to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those
> > of
> > >>>> other humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the
> > so-called
> > >>>> blind.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in
> the
> > >>>> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> > >>>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
> > Ronnie
> > >>>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> What
> > >>>> do they take us for-ignorant
> > >>>> saps?
> > >>>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of
> armed
> > >>>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a
> cudgel
> > >>>> on their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> > >>>> supposed to help them feel their way along. They are painted white,
> > >>>> almost as if the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence,
> and
> > >>>> the weapon's tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who
> have
> > >>>> studied the mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such
> > sticks
> > >>>> may be wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > >>>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > >>>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> blind
> > >>>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> > guidance
> > >>>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> > >>>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> > of
> > >>>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> > somehow
> > >>>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > >>>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> > ability
> > >>>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> > >>>> Their secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly
> > arranged
> > >>>> into arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has
> begun
> > >>>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
> > >>>> everyday outward appearance:
> > >>>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> > like.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> > attention.
> > >>>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would
> we
> > >>>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the
> signs
> > >>>> will change from "second
> > >>>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
> > >>>> the chaos of revolution.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
> > >>>> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
> > one
> > >>>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to
> use
> > >>>> it to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > >>>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> > >>>> the blind menace.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Alan P., Nevada.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:00:30 -0400
> > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greetings and a Thank You
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> > good luck up here. I am in NY, Morristown is in NJ, anyway welcome and
> post when you can.
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert Martin<mailto:robert.martin at cfu.net>
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:56 PM
> > Subject: [nagdu] Greetings and a Thank You
> >
> >
> > Good Morning,
> >
> > For the past couple of months I've been an infrequent contributer but a
> frequent reader of the contributions to this tlist. I have been unable to
> read everything because of my work but I have learned a great deal in
> preparation for my trip to the Seeing Eye to train with a guide dog partner.
> Tomorrow I fly to Morristown to begin my training and what I have learned
> from all of you gives me some sense of security and also confidence that I
> have, at a later age in life, made the right decision. Thanks to all of you
> for your work and the information you share.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bob Martin
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:14:56 -0400
> > From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Greetings and a Thank You
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> > Hi, Bob.
> >
> > How exciting.
> > I really enjoy hearing about new guide dog users because it reminds me of
> my
> > days as a newbie.
> >
> > I'm Dan Weiner, forty-one-years-old, and a guide dog user for 17 years.
> > I look forward to hearing every detail.
> >
> > Good luck
> >
> >
> > Dan and the Carter Dog
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:15:47 -0700
> > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
> > Message-ID: <1308950147.3386.53.camel at tamara-desktop>
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> > Yeah, it does seem startling when you hear it. I think with some breeds
> > the success rates are lower. Say, with poodles. That may have changed
> > with the programs that now have more experience with the silly creatures
> > since I read that.
> >
> > >From what I have been able to gather, labs have the highest success rate
> > over the other traditional breeds, so many more labs than others. Also,
> > lab/golden crosses. Can't remember where goldens come in off the top of
> > my head.
> >
> > Some of the difference in success rates by breed have to do with health
> > problems or with temperament issues that crop up in an established line
> > from breeding trends that pollute the gene pool. Sigh. I guess it's
> > been a problem with GSDs, and some programs have been able to recover
> > and get their GSD lines back up to snuff by importing breeding stock
> > while others have phased them out. Well, I know that was a big part of
> > why GDB decided to become a purely lab or lab/golden program not too
> > long ago and just phased out their shepherds. They tried poodles for a
> > few years, but between some health issues in their stock and the poodly
> > temperament in the training environment, they finally determined it
> > wasn't cost effective for them to keep at it. Which does make sense.
> >
> > It seems, also, that labs are just easier, both in training and in
> > matching over a variety of potential handlers. As a rule, they're just
> > so gosh darn calm and steady and ridiculously easy to get along with
> > while still being trainable and well-suited for guide work. Some are a
> > bit slower and more mellow than the norm, so they're better suited for
> > people who need that for whatever reason. Some a perkier and feistier
> > and faster than the norm, so that takes care of your adventure-seeking
> > handlers. /smile/ They seem to have the most important strenghts of the
> > other common breeds without some of the traits only some think of as
> > strengths. So, better odds of placing more puppies from any given
> > litter of labs than GSDs or other herding/guarding types. Makes sense,
> > actually, even though I probably don't have the whole picture from the
> > program perspective, especially at a decision-making level. It's
> > interesting to think about, though.
> >
> > I wonder if dobies will make a comeback as guide dogs since breeders
> > seem to be doing well at bringing them back to what they were before the
> > tiny head fiasco. Now I guess collies are having tiny head problems
> > because of breeders who think that's a good idea. Sigh. Anyway, I keep
> > meeting dobies with proportional heads and good temperaments and owners
> > who are so happy the breeders got a clue and turned their practices
> > around so that dobies are dobies. Yay! I'm also noticing more straight
> > GSDs with good temperaments around, too, but the owners tell me you
> > still have to work pretty hard to make sure that's what you get. Still,
> > progress. So I also wonder if with more healthy even-tempered stock
> > available in outside breeding stock, programs will start increasing
> > their shepherd lines. It will be interesting to see. For me, at
> > least. /smile/
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:58 -0600, Sheila Leigland wrote:
> > > The fifty percent is what I've heard and it seems low to me also. I hope
> it changes or has changed.
> > >
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:33:12 -0600
> > From: Jeffrey Young <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
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> > I don't think these numbers are actually as bad as they appear.
> > 1. A certain number of dogs go into the breeding program at TSE which
> accounts for some of the drop off. Also their will be dogs with health
> problems which makes them unfit for guide work.
> > 2. This training they go through is extremely intense. Think about it
> these dogs are like the navy seals of the dog world. I believe the navy
> seals have something like way over 50 percent drop out rates.
> > A trainer at TSE told me that if a dog successfully makes it through the
> puppy raising phase that dog has an 80 percent chance or more of either
> being a breeder or a guide. We can't forget that the breeding is nearly as
> important as the guide work.
> >
> > Also, a dog might seem like it will be an excellent guide and then show
> some sort of odd behavior that can't be accounted for which disqualifies
> that dog.
> >
> > Jeff and Hansel
> > On Jun 24, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, it does seem startling when you hear it. I think with some breeds
> > > the success rates are lower. Say, with poodles. That may have changed
> > > with the programs that now have more experience with the silly creatures
> > > since I read that.
> > >
> > >> From what I have been able to gather, labs have the highest success
> rate
> > > over the other traditional breeds, so many more labs than others. Also,
> > > lab/golden crosses. Can't remember where goldens come in off the top of
> > > my head.
> > >
> > > Some of the difference in success rates by breed have to do with health
> > > problems or with temperament issues that crop up in an established line
> > > from breeding trends that pollute the gene pool. Sigh. I guess it's
> > > been a problem with GSDs, and some programs have been able to recover
> > > and get their GSD lines back up to snuff by importing breeding stock
> > > while others have phased them out. Well, I know that was a big part of
> > > why GDB decided to become a purely lab or lab/golden program not too
> > > long ago and just phased out their shepherds. They tried poodles for a
> > > few years, but between some health issues in their stock and the poodly
> > > temperament in the training environment, they finally determined it
> > > wasn't cost effective for them to keep at it. Which does make sense.
> > >
> > > It seems, also, that labs are just easier, both in training and in
> > > matching over a variety of potential handlers. As a rule, they're just
> > > so gosh darn calm and steady and ridiculously easy to get along with
> > > while still being trainable and well-suited for guide work. Some are a
> > > bit slower and more mellow than the norm, so they're better suited for
> > > people who need that for whatever reason. Some a perkier and feistier
> > > and faster than the norm, so that takes care of your adventure-seeking
> > > handlers. /smile/ They seem to have the most important strenghts of the
> > > other common breeds without some of the traits only some think of as
> > > strengths. So, better odds of placing more puppies from any given
> > > litter of labs than GSDs or other herding/guarding types. Makes sense,
> > > actually, even though I probably don't have the whole picture from the
> > > program perspective, especially at a decision-making level. It's
> > > interesting to think about, though.
> > >
> > > I wonder if dobies will make a comeback as guide dogs since breeders
> > > seem to be doing well at bringing them back to what they were before the
> > > tiny head fiasco. Now I guess collies are having tiny head problems
> > > because of breeders who think that's a good idea. Sigh. Anyway, I keep
> > > meeting dobies with proportional heads and good temperaments and owners
> > > who are so happy the breeders got a clue and turned their practices
> > > around so that dobies are dobies. Yay! I'm also noticing more straight
> > > GSDs with good temperaments around, too, but the owners tell me you
> > > still have to work pretty hard to make sure that's what you get. Still,
> > > progress. So I also wonder if with more healthy even-tempered stock
> > > available in outside breeding stock, programs will start increasing
> > > their shepherd lines. It will be interesting to see. For me, at
> > > least. /smile/
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:58 -0600, Sheila Leigland wrote:
> > >> The fifty percent is what I've heard and it seems low to me also. I
> hope it changes or has changed.
> > >>
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> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:47:09 -0700
> > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] question about convention and booties.
> > Message-ID: <1308952030.3386.74.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Tara,
> >
> > You should take your dog to convention while leaving her home at the
> > same time. Does that help? Kidding! It just didn't sound like enough
> > people were informing you of what you should or shouldn't do that I
> > thought I'd make sure you didn't start thinking you could figure it out
> > on your own or anything. /evil grin/
> >
> > As for the booties... Can you think of any functional reason your dog
> > might be showing so much anxiety when you start to put them on? Has
> > something changed in that part of her foot and leg that might cause her
> > discomfort? I dunno. Once I noticed Mitzi was suddenly anti-booty and
> > gave it up until I tried again a few days later after she had been
> > trimmed and had her toenails trimmed. Oh. I seem to recall I had gone a
> > bit long between groomings, so the nails were getting long enough that
> > they affected the way the booties fit and she didn't like it. It might
> > not hurt to examine your dog for hotspots or even just minor scratches
> > or abrasions under the fur that would be hard to notice unless you were
> > looking for them? It never hurts to rule that one out at first, since
> > it's the easiest thing to diagnose if that's what it is.
> >
> > Another thing you might want to think back on is whether anything scary
> > or hurtful happened when she was last wearing the booties without the
> > anxiety. Could there be anythink her doggy brain might now associate
> > with the booties as a bad thing? If that's what's going on with her,
> > getting her to see the booties as "not bad" again might take some time
> > and creativity to resolve. Or another solution that doesn't involve
> > booties. You're doing some of what I would recommend in terms of
> > conditioning her to associate the booties with goodies, so you clearly
> > know what to do.
> >
> > Um... Hot sun on blacktop is too likely to cause pain and even damage in
> > my opinion, even if it's just old grayish blacktop and you only cross
> > one street. I should say "we" instead of "you" there, since it's the
> > rule of thumb I use. When we pop out to dinner in the summer with DD in
> > the pickup, DD will spend the drive muttering about how she's not going
> > to need booties to go from the truck to the sidewalk to an air
> > conditioned hamburger joint or restaurant, while I put the booties on
> > Mitzi as we go. /grin/ Then, of course, when we all get out of the car
> > and walk 3 steps across blacktop to the sidewalk and the door to air
> > conditioning, he will frown thoughtfully at the blacktop and say, "I
> > suppose that would be pretty hot on her pads." We've had a cloudy cool
> > summer so far, so I'll just have to wait a while to find out if we'll
> > still be having that exact conversation every time we go out to dinner
> > for a couple of months. /lol/
> >
> > The only option I can think of to protect your dog's paws from the hot
> > blacktop and sidewalks, if it's that hot, is Musher's Secret (I think
> > that's what it's called), which I keep meaning to try but end up just
> > using the booties instead. Others seem to like it and will surely tell
> > you more.
> >
> > Good luck with the booties and have fun at convention whatever you
> > decide is best for you and your dog. /smile/
> >
> > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 11:18 -0600, Tara Chavez wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > > I have a couple of questions. I am currently debating whether or not to
> take
> > > my guide dog with me to convention. I've heard opinions on both sides
> and
> > > wonder what most people do.
> > > I've heard not to take her because I'd end up stressing her out more,
> plus
> > > I'd be worrying more about her and less likely to have fun at
> convention.
> > > I've also heard that I should take her (or at least I think I should)
> > > because of the experience of traveling and navigating the hotel and all
> that
> > > with her by my side. I am curious what a lot of people do. I know as a
> guide
> > > dog user that I am proud of that and I want the world to know that I
> have a
> > > wonderful companion... Thoughts?
> > > My other questions is about booties. I used them a lot last year when I
> > > first came home, but not a whole lot since. Now that it's getting into
> the
> > > 90's and up, I want to be able to work my dog in booties, but she gets
> > > stressed when I put them on. I've tried putting them on and feeding her
> > > dinner, since that was a suggestion from GDB when I asked them. I've
> also
> > > tried clickering her for allowing me to put them on her, but she has
> been so
> > > stressed that she won't accept even high-value reward. Any suggestions?
> I
> > > can't not work my dog because of the heat, can I?
> > > Thank you,
> > > Tara
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > > Of nagdu-request at nfbnet.org
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> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: nagdu Digest, Vol 75, Issue 28
> > >
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> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
> > > 2. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
> > > 3. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Hope Paulos)
> > > 4. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
> > > 5. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
> > > 6. Re: Different types of dogs (Tami Kinney)
> > > 7. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Dan Weiner)
> > > 8. Re: DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS (Tami Kinney)
> > > 9. Re: what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
> > > 10. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
> > > 11. Re: [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do! (Tami Kinney)
> > > 12. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Buddy Brannan)
> > > 13. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Tami Kinney)
> > > 14. . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Arthur Nolden)
> > > 15. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Sean Moore)
> > > 16. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (cheryl echevarria)
> > > 17. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Julie Phillipson)
> > > 18. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Tami Kinney)
> > > 19. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (cheryl echevarria)
> > > 20. Re: Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze (Marion Gwizdala)
> > > 21. Cloning (Tracy Carcione)
> > > 22. Re: Cloning (PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC))
> > > 23. Success stats (Tracy Carcione)
> > > 24. Re: Cloning (Tami Kinney)
> > > 25. Re: Success stats (Tami Kinney)
> > > 26. Re: Success stats (Sheila Leigland)
> > > 27. Re: . O-T: Blind People are Faking it. (Margo and Arrow)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:37:45 -0400
> > > From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <6B86F91030FB44F6AE73B7A433F26478 at Espy>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> Breeze
> > > from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not attending
> > > convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment and have
> > > tickets filled out?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Hope and Beignet
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:52:39 -0400
> > > From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <35856142-62E1-4EEE-B450-71702C4DA917 at brannan.name>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > > Paypal link.
> > > --
> > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Hope and Beignet
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > nagdu mailing list
> > > > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > nagdu:
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:25:26 -0400
> > > From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <B192608FE5C8458AA68DB537300A3308 at Espy>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Thanks Buddy. Again, you're a life-saver. :)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > > > Paypal link.
> > > > --
> > > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > > >> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > >> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit
> payment
> > > >> and have tickets filled out?
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >> Hope and Beignet
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> nagdu mailing list
> > > >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
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> > > >> nagdu:
> > > >>
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > om
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:27:39 -0400
> > > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <440C123849064754B6CFE0901F9B002B at marion27df4b2a>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Hope,
> > > We attempted to make entries available through Pay pal; however, they do
> > >
> > > not allow raffles and shut it down. We are working to get our account
> > > re-activated so we can collect membership dues. The challenge we would
> face
> > > selling tickets outside of convention is how to accept payment. next
> year,
> > > we will have learned how to use Pay Pal without breaching our user
> > > agreement. If you have any suggestions as to how we can sell tickets
> without
> > >
> > > using Pay Pal, please feel free to make suggestions. We are open to
> allowing
> > >
> > > anyone who wants to support our projects the opportunity to do so!
> > >
> > > Fraternally yours,
> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > National Federation of the Blind
> > > 813-626-2789
> > > President at NAGDU.ORG
> > > HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at gmail.com>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:37 PM
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > >
> > > > have tickets filled out?
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Hope and Beignet
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > nagdu mailing list
> > > > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > > nagdu:
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/blind411%40verizon.ne
> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:28:54 -0400
> > > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <C132140FEFD44563B2E062079C3E80AC at marion27df4b2a>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Buddy,
> > > Unfortunately, we had to shut down that option, as Pay Pal suspended our
> > >
> > > account! You were one of the few that got in before this happened. now
> we
> > > are working to access those funds!
> > >
> > > Marion
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > > > Paypal link.
> > > > --
> > > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the Trekker
> > > >> Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > >> attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit
> payment
> > > >> and have tickets filled out?
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >> Hope and Beignet
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> nagdu mailing list
> > > >> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > >> nagdu:
> > > >>
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > nagdu:
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> > >
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> > > t
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:55:51 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Different types of dogs
> > > Message-ID: <1308858951.2044.12.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Mardi,
> > >
> > > Just remember to collect and save some genetic material from Nala.
> > > Cloning technology is improving, and costs are coming down as R&D
> > > expenses are paid off. Unlike the adaptive tech market in a lot of areas
> > > still. But that's another matter. I'm glad someone else will admit to
> > > seriously wanting to do that. /lol/ Blurting that out in conversation
> > > can generate awkward silence broken by strangled stutterings. I havent'
> > > checked for awhile, but cloning is probably still beyond the means of
> > > the likes of you and I... By the time I need to start looking for
> > > Mitzi's successor, though, who knows? If it is possible for me to take
> > > that route, who knows what I will decide, really? She's only 5, and
> > > genetic health problems could still show up (I'm in denial about that),
> > > etc. Physically, she is healthy and sound, except for some early issues
> > > from bugs, not genes. Her temperament is fantastic, and I love her
> > > poodly brains and even obstinance at work, home and play. Also, as I
> > > keep telling her, she will be helping me raise herself, so that's
> > > vengeance for me for her puppyhood. /lol/ She grins and wags her tail
> > > as if I am being silly. Whether she knows what I am saying or not (I
> > > really do wonder sometimes even when she can't possibly), I get the
> > > impression she generally assumes that if I am talking, I am just being
> > > silly for her amusement. I then begin to wonder if I am a masochist
> > > when it comes to guide dogs. /lol/
> > >
> > > The greater choice in breed and individual is a big plus to
> > > owner-training. Except for the part where you're looking for the right
> > > pup from the breed you've selected, which is really nerve-wracking and
> > > can take a lot of time. Unless you're lucky, which seems to have
> > > happened to me with Mitzi. Maybe that's another reason I just want to
> > > clone her when the time comes. I don't have to turn myself into a wreck
> > > wondering if I will find that elusive new prospect in a puppy... Scary
> > > stuff, that! /smile/
> > >
> > > Glad Shaman is doing well and progressing. He must be pretty adult,
> > > too, by now and building up experience. That's when it starts to be real
> > > fun. /grin/
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:29 -0700, Mardi Hadfield wrote:
> > > > Hi all, If you need a guide dog and go to a school to get it, you
> > > probably
> > > > don't have a lot of choice in what breed of dog you want. You may be
> able
> > > to
> > > > state a preference,but that is no guarantee that you will actually get
> > > what
> > > > you asked for. I think that for a first time dog user, it is wise to
> let
> > > > the school match you with the dog that they feel is best for you.Maybe
> on
> > > > your second time you can get the kind of dog you want as you will have
> the
> > > > experience of already working with a dog. Of course this is just my
> > > > opinion,but to me it makes sense. On the other hand, if you are an
> owner
> > > > trainer and have a certain preference, go for it!My chosen breed is
> the
> > > > Siberian Husky. This is not the breed for every one! There are many
> cons
> > > and
> > > > some pros. For me, I needed a dog that could keep up with my power
> > > > wheelchair and my very active life style.A breed that did not tire
> easily
> > > > and could go all day. The husky fit the bill for me.Since I already
> had a
> > > > husky service dog,I just trained her as a guide dog. She was a
> wonderful
> > > > guide but had to be retired early as she got Vally Fever. This is a
> > > disease
> > > > limited to the southwest. She died unexpectedly a month after her
> > > > retirement.I was lucky to have found another Husky to train as my next
> > > > guide. This dog has been an exceptional guide dog. She has gone above
> and
> > > > beyond as a guide dog.I don't expect to find another like her.I wish I
> > > could
> > > > have her cloned,but my finances being what they are,well it's just not
> > > > possible. When I was looking for another dog to take over for Nala so
> she
> > > > could retire, I just could not find a husky that could do the job.
> After
> > > > trying several that "washed out",I expanded my search to other breeds.
> I
> > > > found a Belgian Shepherd that had been rescued from a shelter. He was
> the
> > > > one that worked out. He has become a wonderful guide. We had a few
> > > setbacks
> > > > in the beginning but he has worked out very well.To date, Nala,my
> second
> > > > Husky has been the best guide I have ever had,but with time,who knows.
> > > > Shaman may become just as good. He is excellent when it comes to
> traffic
> > > > checks, and has already saved my butt several times! Different people
> > > have
> > > > different needs when it comes to guide dogs. Some need fast dogs,some
> need
> > > > slower dogs. I consider myself very lucky to have found dogs of the
> breeds
> > > > that I like and had them become wonderful guides.But If I were to go
> to a
> > > > school to get a dog sometime in the future, I would probably take
> whatever
> > > > dog they matched me with as it is unlikely that I would get a
> Husky.Have a
> > > > great day, Mardi andShaman and Nala,retired.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:00:30 -0400
> > > From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> > > To: "'Florida Association of Guide Dog Users'" <flagdu at nfbnet.org>,
> > > "'NAGDU List'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
> > > "'NFB
> > > Chapter presidents'" <chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: marion.gwizdala at verizon.net
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
> > > Message-ID: <20110623200036.D2A959ABD at tonnant.cnc.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > > Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to make
> > > government have different priorities, that's not just about blind
> people.
> > >
> > > It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
> > > tricky thing.
> > >
> > > I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized
> blind
> > > movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
> > > People feel powerless. Especially we blind people have spent most of our
> > > lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do things.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 8
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:02:01 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
> > > Message-ID: <1308859321.2044.18.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Oh! thanks for telling me so. As you may have guessed I love going about
> > > my dog, dogs, my dog, every dog I've ever met... So I'm always glad when
> > > my ramblings turn out to actually be helpful to someone. /smile/
> > >
> > > It's all my own experience and what I've picked up from others or other
> > > dogs I've had, more and more informed by my growing experience as a
> > > guide dog user. So I'm better at evaluating pros and cons of the
> > > various breed and type options in light of what I want in a guide.
> > >
> > > I've liked hearing what most others have said on the matter of
> > > preference itself. It is very, very individual when it comes right down
> > > to it.
> > >
> > > The even more important thing is the individual dog we are matched with
> > > or end up with meets our needs in a way that enhances our lives. Which
> > > seems to happen most of the time, so that's a good thing. Glad you're
> > > enjoying your pup and life as a guide dog handler!
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 17:47 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
> > > > Tami ,
> > > > Thanks very informative!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Tami Kinney
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:56 PM
> > > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] DIFFERENT TYPES OF DOGS
> > > >
> > > > Brittney,
> > > >
> > > > Were you also informed which preference you were supposed to
> > > > have? /evil grin/
> > > >
> > > > I thought the whole poodle as guide dog notion was pretty iffy when I
> > > > first heard of it, but ended up putting in some time, energy and
> expense
> > > > getting my hands on one anyway for practical reasons. Now I can't
> > > > understand why everybody else isn't running around demanding poodle
> > > > guides... Until I remember that poodles are, you know, poodles.
> > > > Definitely an acquired taste, but addictive once you get hooked.
> Unless
> > > > you want a quiet life, free of excitement and strife. The lack of
> > > > shedding is a big plus in a lot of ways, but the cost of grooming is
> not
> > > > easy on a budget. If you try to save now and then by stretching out
> > > > time between trims, you find yourself doing nothing but grooming the
> > > > poodle. Well, Mitzi has the soft, thick, fine coat and an extra
> measure
> > > > of it at that, so it is absolutely gorgeous and wonerful to the touch
> > > > while being absolutely impossible to keep free of industrial-grade
> > > > snarls close to the skin if you don't keep on it. Also, the poodle
> does
> > > > nto appear to be constructed to curl up in a tidy ball that will fit
> > > > neatly under even a really big chair, so it you're uptight about the
> > > > finer points of etiquette, a girl can really stress herself out about
> > > > that until she finally gives up and loosens up and finds a way to
> > > > achieve the same goals in a way that will actually work. /lol/ From
> > > > what I hear, bear-sized labs will curl up into tidy balls that will
> fit
> > > > under toddler chairs and be perfectly comfortable doing it. I'm
> > > > exaggerating, but I've heard of folks with 90 pound labs that will fit
> > > > places I have not been able to stuff my poodle to begin with, and even
> > > > then bits of her start popping out like they've been spring-loaded, so
> I
> > > > have driven myself nuts on the bus and train desperately trying to
> round
> > > > up legs and noses and stubby tails enough for 7 dogs! She would be
> > > > trying to comply but she sure would sigh a lot. Also, she has a huge
> > > > need to watch *everything* so our rules for keeping her out of the way
> > > > and safe including her being positioned where she can do that without
> > > > moving around. She's a super-mellow poodle, so I am routinely
> assurred,
> > > > but she is still a poodle. That same vigilance and curiosity works out
> > > > wonderfully when we're on the go, so I don't mind adjusting our
> seating
> > > > arrangements to keep her from getting twitchy. /smile/
> > > >
> > > > I've always had a yen for a sheperd guide and I still think they're
> > > > still pretty high on my list. The only thing that that breed loses
> > > > points over is their shedding and tendency to be a bit harder on
> people
> > > > with sensitivities to dander because of its pH or something... I
> > > > wouldn't let that last part stop me getting one, but the shedding
> itself
> > > > seems a bit daunting now that I'm spoiled. Not having a budget crunch
> > > > from profressional grooming all the time would be a big plus, that's
> for
> > > > sure! I might take on shaving and trimming a companion poodle myself,
> > > > but my professional dog requires a professional haircut.
> > > >
> > > > Dobies also thrill me, for many of the same reasons GSDs do, only with
> > > > shorter hair and less shedding and brushing. I'm lazy, so when Mitzi's
> > > > curls are shorn and I can just wipe her off with a damp cloth to spiif
> > > > her up for the most refined restaurant dining, I am happy as can be
> with
> > > > that arrangement. Dobie guide users speak of doing that with the dobie
> > > > coat, so big, big plus!
> > > >
> > > > I would like a dog with less adorability and perhaps a bit more of a
> > > > back-off quality and a rep to add some encouragement. Mitzi has a
> > > > pretty intense stare, but it just doesn't have the same effect on
> people
> > > > as it does when it comes from what looks like a guard/police dog.
> Here,
> > > > at least. The dirty little secret about poodles is that they're used
> as
> > > > guard dogs in other countries because they're a lot like dobies and
> > > > shepherds that way. It's something to bear in mind, especially in
> > > > choosing a poodle for guide work or anything else, really, since
> people
> > > > who have encountered bad-tempered poodles are scared to death of the
> > > > things. They can turn nasty if the temperament is not respected in
> > > > treatment and training. Statistically, they're responsible for more
> dog
> > > > bites than pit bulls. That includes the smaller types, too, I guess,
> > > > and those are more prone to temperament problems due to irresponsible
> > > > breeders. Sigh. Anyway, Mitzi is, in a lot of way, a woolly doberman
> > > > that just doesn't scare people because she's so cu-ute. She does have,
> > > > I have been told a very severe back-off look, but she seems to be more
> > > > likely to use her direct stare and exotic dark eyes to draw people in
> > > > and take control of their minds so that they will do whatever she
> wants
> > > > them to. /lol/ I've never been able to see her eyes, really, and see
> her
> > > > in my mind as not having any, but I can feel that stare and fall
> victim
> > > > to its power. Still, there are times it would be handy to have an
> > > > equally nonaggressive dog that could scare people off properly just by
> > > > looking at them. Mitzi has become quite the pro at dealing with all
> the
> > > > attention and reaching hands with grace and composure, and we've
> worked
> > > > out ways to keep it from getting out of hand, but... It would be nice
> > > > to have my dog admired from a safe distance by people who are inspired
> > > > to keep their hands to themselves. /smile/
> > > >
> > > > Labs come in lower on the preference list simply because I like the
> > > > herding/guarding breeds better, either as guides or as companions. I
> > > > like labs and just get giddy around my labbie friends and family -- my
> > > > sister has a 106 lb. black lab Mitzi's age, and he is just so awesome
> > > > and very labby in his manner and personality. Out of habit, when I
> > > > stood beside him, I held my hand over his back to measure him for a
> > > > harness... I would have to be a lot taller. He is a way cool dog and
> > > > just love him. But if someone were to offer me the choice between his
> > > > exact clone and, say, a dobie or shepherd or poodle, I'd pick the
> other
> > > > dog. Still, labs will start moving up my preference scale at some
> point
> > > > for the very traits that make them so popular and numerous. In fact,
> by
> > > > then I will no doubt be wanting an extra mellow, laid back, easy lab
> > > > guide, and I will love having a lab around because they really are
> > > > wonderful dogs.
> > > >
> > > > I just happen to prefer my super-alert, active, busy, difficult poodle
> > > > and want something along the same lines in case she doesn't obey the
> > > > live-forever command and I don't get her cloned. /lol/
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if that is in any way informative, but I always love
> these
> > > > questions because I learn so much about other handlers and the
> > > > differences between breeds and inviduals. So I'll shut up and get to
> > > > reading.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 16:21 -0700, Brittney N. Mejico wrote:
> > > > > hello everyone,
> > > > > I always wanted to ask. Does the breed of dog you use as a guide
> > > matter?
> > > > > I know some guide dog users are really particular about a certain
> breed
> > > > > and others don?t care? Why is this? Before I got my guide people
> asked
> > >
> > > > > me what type of dog I wanted and I would ask, ?should I have a
> > > > > preference?? and I was told that I shouldn??t care. Before I start
> > > > > rambleing I just want to know the difference in different breeds?
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> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 9
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:32:44 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
> > > Message-ID: <1308861164.2044.30.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Marion, et al.,
> > >
> > > Agreed, re: article and well-said. I appreciate the humor and the
> > > expression of thanks to the doers, whether it's the bits or the bites we
> > > contribute... While also making a strong statement. /smile/
> > >
> > > As I learn more about the organization -- and thus its warts and those
> > > of some of its people or even groups within the larger organization -- I
> > > keep hearing a long ago boss and mentor from my early career: Never go
> > > to the boss with a complaint without also having at least one solution
> > > to offer. Good advice from a wise woman! Having a solution to a problem
> > > is much easier in the context of your job and department or company than
> > > with a large member organization like the NFB, and at least one
> > > organizational wart really sticks in my craw, making it easy to feel
> > > whiney and powerless... But I know how much good I've gotten out of the
> > > past work and the current work, so I am more motivated to do my little
> > > bits to contribute... Very small bits! But those little things to keep
> > > entertained enough to avoid complaining to adamantly about things I
> > > would like to see done or changed, because then I would feel obligated
> > > to help be part of the solution... That thought does shut me up fairly
> > > often. Don't know if that's what my mentor had in mind, but if you're
> > > afraid to complain you do have more time to do other things. /lol/
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 10:08 -0400, Margo and Arrow wrote:
> > > > It's called taking ownership. marion, well-said email and like Cindy,
> I
> > > > think you might want to consider expanding it to a Monitor article.
> > > >
> > > > Margo and Arrow
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:49 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Marion, I think that was well said. I think you should enlarge upon
> it
> > > and
> > > > > make a Monitor article out of it. I know that variations have been
> done
> > > > > before, but we can't hear it often enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cindy
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Marion Gwizdala wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Dear All,
> > > > >> Please excuse this cross-posting but I think it is important enough
> > > > >> that I wanted to share it with as many of you as possible. When I
> speak
> > >
> > > > >> with many blind people who find out I am a leader in the
> Federation, I
> > > > >> often have them say, "The NFB should ...". You can fill in the
> blank
> > > with
> > > > >> a myriad of suggestions of what needs to be done to improve the
> lives
> > > of
> > > > >> the blind. Generally, my response is, "Are you a member of the
> NFB?"
> > > The
> > > > >> most frequent answer is "No!" This opens the door for me to share
> that
> > > > >> the Federation is a membership organization - a grass roots
> Movement
> > > in
> > > > >> which each member must be actively involved in order for us to
> improve
> > > > >> our lives. It is not dr. Maurer; it is not the Board of Directors;
> it
> > > is
> > > > >> not the people who work at the National Center for the Blind; it is
> not
> > >
> > > > >> our divisions, our affiliates, or our chapters! It is each and
> every
> > > > >> member of the movement! I then invite them to become a member of
> the
> > > NFB
> > > > >> and hear the same tired excuses of not being a joiner, not
> > > > > having enough time, not wanting to choose sides, not agreeing with
> the
> > > > > philosophy, yah dah yah dah yah dah yawn! "In other words," I say,
> "you
> > > > > want someone else to solve your problems for you and are unwilling
> to
> > > > > help. Is that right?" Of course, they think I am a rude, obnoxious,
> > > > > belligerent Federationist, what my wife and I would call "C.B." -
> > > > > Confirmation Bias - the bias that "All Federationists are (fill in
> the
> > > > > blank!" and this experience confirms this belief!
> > > > >> I praise those of you who have joined me in our effort to improve
> > > the
> > > > >> lives of the blind. You have not made it someone else's problem to
> > > solve;
> > > > >> you have made it yours! To paraphrase the words of Mahatma Gandhi ,
> > > "You
> > > > >> are the change you want to see in the world!" Thank you for your
> > > service
> > > > >> and for joining me on the barricades! On to Orlando!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Fraternally yours,
> > > > >> Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > > >> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > > >> National Federation of the Blind
> > > > >> 813-626-2789
> > > > >> President at NAGDU.ORG
> > > > >> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 10
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:38:25 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <1308861505.2044.35.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Hope and Buddy,
> > >
> > > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
> > > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> > > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> > > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > > everyone's convenience.
> > >
> > > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > > president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if you
> > > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
> > > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > > Paypal link.
> > > > --
> > > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Hope and Beignet
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 11
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:56:54 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] [Flagdu] what the NFB Should Do!
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> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Yeah, I'm pretty new to be told that kind of crap all the time, so I
> > > just keep on getting real mad and obstinate. But I started noticing way
> > > too early on how often the constant battery would affect my thinking and
> > > decision-making, even though i know better! I am amazed -- and fairly
> > > weary -- by how much work I have to put in just to keep myself from
> > > starting to assume all those negative things about myself just because
> > > I'm blind.
> > >
> > > That experience does give me a greater appreciation for anyone who has
> > > been told that from childhood on for just getting up in the morning!
> > > Especially from my own age range and on. I realize that whatever the
> > > pros and cons of progressive vision loss, with the crossover to using
> > > noticeable adaptive methods and tools, the biggest benefit to me over my
> > > lifetime until earlier this century has been that people weren't
> > > treating me like I was blind! Also, driving and reading print a page at
> > > a glance provided many opportunities to go, do, learn which are more
> > > difficult and time-consuming now. So that's something I have benefited
> > > from especially in the context of my own generation. But i thought the
> > > way girls and women were treated then was bad and oppressive... Then I
> > > picked up a new skinny white friend in the 21st century, when women can
> > > do stuff like think and make decisions officially, and discovered what
> > > *real* oppression is like. Then I started learning how much better
> > > things are now! Yikes! Well, they're getting better all the time,
> > > because we're all just soldiering on together and each in our way, so
> > > the adventure continues.
> > >
> > > Still, I can't truly grasp some of the attitudes of blind people toward
> > > blindness, towards other blind people and towards themselves,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 16:00 -0400, Dan Weiner wrote:
> > > > Well, I suppose in that case people really don't know aht to do to
> make
> > > > government have different priorities, that's not just about blind
> people.
> > > >
> > > > It's easy to see a problem but knowing what to do about it is always a
> > > > tricky thing.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not, of course, saying that people shouldn't join the organized
> blind
> > > > movement--smile--just telling you what I think.
> > > > People feel powerless. Especially we blind people have spent most of
> our
> > > > lives being told not to do this or not to do that or we can't do
> things.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dan W. and the Carter Dog
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > nagdu mailing list
> > > > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > nagdu:
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/tamara.8024%40comcast
> > > .net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 12
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:10:14 -0400
> > > From: Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <3A19B225-D79A-4497-9F65-264DCAB3F698 at brannan.name>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
> > > confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
> > > --
> > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hope and Buddy,
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> out
> > > > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > > > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > > > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have
> the
> > > > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how
> to
> > > > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > > > everyone's convenience.
> > > >
> > > > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > > > president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if
> you
> > > > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar
> when
> > > > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > > > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> handy
> > > Paypal link.
> > > >> --
> > > >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > > >>> Thanks.
> > > >>> Hope and Beignet
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>> nagdu mailing list
> > > >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
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> > > nagdu:
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> > >
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > .net
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 13
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:38:01 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <1308865081.2044.49.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Buddy, you are in the running for the Breeze, no worries. As is anyone
> > > else who paid before we had to cease and desist. Sorry for the
> > > confusion!
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:10 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > > So wait. I was able to buy tickets with Paypal and got a payment
> > > confirmation, so did I get them or am I outa luck?
> > > > --
> > > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hope and Buddy,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> out
> > > > > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know.
> But
> > > > > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > > > > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have
> the
> > > > > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how
> to
> > > > > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website
> for
> > > > > everyone's convenience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > > > > president at nagdu.org or Toni Whaley at treasurer at nagdu.org to see if
> you
> > > > > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar
> when
> > > > > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > > > > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > > >> Hi,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> > > handy Paypal link.
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > >> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > > > >>> Thanks.
> > > > >>> Hope and Beignet
> > > > >>> _______________________________________________
> > > > >>> nagdu mailing list
> > > > >>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for
> > > nagdu:
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> > >
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> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > .net
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 14
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:22:23 -0400
> > > From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> > > To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > Message-ID: <31BE0B810A9449B28F6C885AD16CD11C at yourc6417768d6>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Blind People Are Faking It!
> > >
> > > Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a secret
> > > society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
> > > attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> have a
> > > secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> indicate
> > > that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans.
> We're
> > > speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
> > >
> > > Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> first
> > > place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight, how does
> > > that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie Milsap?
> How
> > > could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they take
> us
> > > for-ignorant
> > > saps?
> > > The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> > > might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> on
> > > their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed to
> > > help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
> > > bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip
> is
> > > painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> mysterious
> > > fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with
> deadly
> > > force by those with skill.
> > >
> > > In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> also
> > > own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
> along
> > > city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
> > > "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > >
> > > Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species of
> > > killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
> > > fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> frightening
> > > aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to
> communicate
> > > with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
> > > consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane
> shapes.
> > > Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
> > > that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward
> appearance:
> > > elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the like.
> > >
> > > This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue attention.
> But
> > > think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we know?
> > > Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will
> change
> > > from "second
> > > floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown into
> the
> > > chaos of revolution.
> > >
> > > At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are planning
> such
> > > a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one group
> > > possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use it to
> seize
> > > power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > >
> > > No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> threat
> > > where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of the blind
> > > menace.
> > >
> > > Alan P., Nevada.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 15
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:38:06 -0400
> > > From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > Message-ID: <C5461A4DD88D4166ACE61067E467507E at aspireone>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > What the ...?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> > > To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blind People Are Faking It!
> > > >
> > > > Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
> > > > society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
> > > > attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> have
> > >
> > > > a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> > > > indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of other
> > > > humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
> blind.
> > > >
> > > > Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> > > > first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> how
> > >
> > > > does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
> > > > Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> What do
> > >
> > > > they take us for-ignorant
> > > > saps?
> > > > The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> > > > might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> on
> > > > their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed
> > > > to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as
> if
> > > > the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the
> weapon's
> > > > tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> > > > mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
> > > > wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > > >
> > > > In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > > could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > > encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> blind
> > > > also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> guidance
> > > > along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> > > > slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> of
> > > > killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> somehow
> > > > fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > > > frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> ability
> > > > to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> Their
> > > > secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged
> into
> > > > arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
> popping
> > >
> > > > up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday
> > > > outward appearance:
> > > > elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
> > > >
> > > > This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
> > > > But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
> > > > know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs
> > > > will change from "second
> > > > floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
> > > > the chaos of revolution.
> > > >
> > > > At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
> > > > such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
> one
> > > > group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
> it
> > > > to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > > >
> > > > No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > > > threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> the
> > > > blind menace.
> > > >
> > > > Alan P., Nevada.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > nagdu mailing list
> > > > nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nagdu_nfbnet.org
> > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > > nagdu:
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nagdu_nfbnet.org/sean.moore%40mediacom
> > > bb.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 16
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:39:14 -0400
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <BLU162-ds8084A15951C07A96F9600A1520 at phx.gbl>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have to
> be
> > > for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
> > > whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
> > >
> > > Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was
> for
> > > the Raffle.
> > >
> > > There are ways around it.
> > >
> > > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> > >
> > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> > > 631-456-5394
> > >
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> > >
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> CST-1018299-10
> > >
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> Inc.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tami Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope and Buddy,
> > >
> > > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns out
> > > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have the
> > > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how to
> > > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > > everyone's convenience.
> > >
> > > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > > president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
> > > treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
> > > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar when
> > > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> > > handy Paypal link.
> > > > --
> > > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
> > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > > have tickets filled out?
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Hope and Beignet
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > nagdu mailing list
> > > > > nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > ------------------------------
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> > > Message: 17
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 23:19:46 -0400
> > > From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > Message-ID: <4DAE90F955164F5AB7709851EC36B4D1 at acer4d025c48b8>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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> > >
> > > WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
> > > suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
> > > Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> for
> > > the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Julie Phillipson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > What the ...?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> > > > To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > > > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > > >>
> > > >> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
> > > >> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
> > >
> > > >> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> > > >> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence
> seems
> > > >> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of
> other
> > > >> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
> blind.
> > > >>
> > > >> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in
> the
> > > >> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> > > >> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
> Ronnie
> > > >> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> What
> > > >> do they take us for-ignorant
> > > >> saps?
> > > >> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of
> armed
> > > >> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a
> cudgel on
> > >
> > > >> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed
> > >
> > > >> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as
> if
> > > >> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the
> weapon's
> > > >> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied
> the
> > > >> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
> > > >> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > > >>
> > > >> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > >> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > >> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> blind
> > > >> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> guidance
> > > >> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> > > >> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > > >>
> > > >> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> of
> > > >> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> somehow
> > > >> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > > >> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> ability
> > > >> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> Their
> > >
> > > >> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged
> into
> > > >> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
> > > >> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
> > > >> everyday outward appearance:
> > > >> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
> > > >>
> > > >> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
> > > >> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would
> we
> > > >> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the
> signs
> > > >> will change from "second
> > > >> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
> > > >> the chaos of revolution.
> > > >>
> > > >> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
> > > >> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
> one
> > > >> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to
> use it
> > >
> > > >> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > > >>
> > > >> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > > >> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> the
> > >
> > > >> blind menace.
> > > >>
> > > >> Alan P., Nevada.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 18
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:31:13 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > Message-ID: <1308889873.2959.55.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > OMG! ROTFL! Heard the audio version a couple of days ago, but it just
> > > never stops being hysterical. Especially the way my new screen reader
> > > does it. I think I might have sprained something laughing!
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 18:22 -0400, Arthur Nolden wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Blind People Are Faking It!
> > > >
> > > > Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
> > > society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> vicious
> > > attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> have a
> > > secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence seems to
> indicate
> > > that they may even possess senses superior to those of other humans.
> We're
> > > speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called blind.
> > > >
> > > > Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in the
> > > first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> how
> > > does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Ronnie
> Milsap?
> > > How could such men possibly play music if they were blind? What do they
> take
> > > us for-ignorant
> > > > saps?
> > > > The first issue I must point out is their very public display of armed
> > > might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a cudgel
> on
> > > their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> supposed to
> > > help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as if the
> > > bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the weapon's tip
> is
> > > painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied the
> mysterious
> > > fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be wielded with
> deadly
> > > force by those with skill.
> > > >
> > > > In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > > could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged blind
> also
> > > own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of guidance
> along
> > > city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these slavering
> > > "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> of
> > > killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has somehow
> > > fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> frightening
> > > aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their ability to
> communicate
> > > with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens. Their secret code
> > > consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged into arcane
> shapes.
> > > Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun popping up in places
> > > that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane, everyday outward
> appearance:
> > > > elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
> > > >
> > > > This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
> > > But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would we
> know?
> > > Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the signs will
> change
> > > from "second
> > > > floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
> > > the chaos of revolution.
> > > >
> > > > At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
> > > such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can one
> > > group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to use
> it to
> > > seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > > >
> > > > No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > > threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> the
> > > blind menace.
> > > >
> > > > Alan P., Nevada.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 19
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:47:57 -0400
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > Message-ID: <BLU162-ds13BBC737B2BC34501713C2A1520 at phx.gbl>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > it is funny ART, you are funny.
> > >
> > > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> > >
> > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> > > 631-456-5394
> > >
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> > >
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> CST-1018299-10
> > >
> > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> Inc.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Julie Phillipson<mailto:jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> > > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > > Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > > WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I would
> > > suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
> > > Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> for
> > >
> > > the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Julie Phillipson
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sean Moore"
> > > <sean.moore at mediacombb.net<mailto:sean.moore at mediacombb.net>>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > What the ...?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Arthur Nolden"
> > > <anolden at tampabay.rr.com<mailto:anolden at tampabay.rr.com>>
> > > > To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > > > Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > > >>
> > > >> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> > > secret
> > > >> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> > > vicious
> > > >> attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious folk also
> > > >> have a secret means of communication, while shocking new evidence
> seems
> > >
> > > >> to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to those of
> > > other
> > > >> humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the so-called
> > > blind.
> > > >>
> > > >> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in
> the
> > > >> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of sight,
> > > >> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
> > > Ronnie
> > > >> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> What
> > >
> > > >> do they take us for-ignorant
> > > >> saps?
> > > >> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of
> armed
> > > >> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a
> cudgel
> > > on
> > > >> their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> > > supposed
> > > >> to help them feel their way along. They are painted white, almost as
> if
> > >
> > > >> the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence, and the
> weapon's
> > >
> > > >> tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who have studied
> the
> > > >> mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such sticks may be
> > > >> wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > > >>
> > > >> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > >> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > >> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> blind
> > >
> > > >> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> > > guidance
> > > >> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> > > >> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > > >>
> > > >> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a species
> > > of
> > > >> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> > > somehow
> > > >> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > > >> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> > > ability
> > > >> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> > > Their
> > > >> secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly arranged
> into
> > >
> > > >> arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has begun
> > > >> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
> > > >> everyday outward appearance:
> > > >> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> > > like.
> > > >>
> > > >> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> > > attention.
> > > >> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would
> we
> > > >> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the
> signs
> > > >> will change from "second
> > > >> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
> > >
> > > >> the chaos of revolution.
> > > >>
> > > >> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
> > >
> > > >> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
> > > one
> > > >> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to
> use
> > > it
> > > >> to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > > >>
> > > >> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > > >> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary of
> > > the
> > > >> blind menace.
> > > >>
> > > >> Alan P., Nevada.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 20
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:30:47 -0400
> > > From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > Message-ID: <B560BFA05E674B108AC90002C499A6FB at marion27df4b2a>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > Cheryl,
> > > Thanks for the info. we are not going to pursue this for year, as I
> > > believe it would probably raise some red flags with Pay Pal. We will
> > > consider this option for next year's *drawing*!
> > >
> > > Marion
> > >
> > > this
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > >
> > >
> > > > well you can do it this way, just have a paypal button, doesn't have
> to be
> > >
> > > > for raffles. Just put in the information for payment of donation or
> > > > whatever, doesn't have to say raffle.
> > > >
> > > > Then e-mail the contact person and let them know off list that it was
> for
> > > > the Raffle.
> > > >
> > > > There are ways around it.
> > > >
> > > > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> > > >
> > > > Cheryl Echevarria
> > > > http://www.echevarriatravel.com<http://www.echevarriatravel.com/>
> > > > 631-456-5394
> > > >
> > >
> reservations at echevarriatravel.com<mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com>
> > > >
> > > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > > > CST-1018299-10
> > > >
> > > > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> > > > Inc.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Tami Kinney<mailto:tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 4:38 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Question about raffle for Trekker Breeze
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hope and Buddy,
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid we had to remove the PayPal button from the site... Turns
> out
> > > > they don't allow using their service for raffles, so now we know. But
> > > > for this year, we've had to make adjustments. Those who paid through
> > > > PayPal before they informed us how very displeased they are do have
> the
> > > > tickets they bought and paid for. We're planning and researching how
> to
> > > > deal with some of those fundraising activities through the website for
> > > > everyone's convenience.
> > > >
> > > > Hope, if you want to know more, you can contact Marion at
> > > > president at nagdu.org<mailto:president at nagdu.org> or Toni Whaley at
> > > > treasurer at nagdu.org<mailto:treasurer at nagdu.org> to see if you
> > > > can still get tickets. Come to think of it, it passed off my radar
> when
> > > > we decided to not use the website until we had a solution next year.
> > > > But I still want that Breeze! /smile/
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 14:52 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Go to the NAGDU site. You can buy tickets there, and there's even a
> > > > handy Paypal link.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> > > > > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 23, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Hope Paulos wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all. I don't know who sent the information for winning the
> Trekker
> > >
> > > > Breeze from Nagdu, but I have a question. Are those of us who are not
> > > > attending convention eligible to win? If so, how can we submit payment
> and
> > >
> > > > have tickets filled out?
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > Hope and Beignet
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> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 21
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:18:15 -0400
> > > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
> > > Message-ID: <9b4cadb7cfeb707c2f4ff952f8abca3c.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > > I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police
> department
> > > tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
> > > characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
> > > original. I thought that was interesting.
> > > I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
> > > not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness
> of
> > > the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things
> to
> > > have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 22
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:20:47 +0000
> > > From: "PICKRELL, REBECCA M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> > > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> > > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
> > > Message-ID: <AAE38548E198F64B8E345439B68CCC781260AE37 at TSEAMB02>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Keep in mind with cloning, you are not cloning souls. We all have them
> We
> > > also are not cloning experiences and interpertations on experiences. We
> all
> > > have those too.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> > > Of Tracy Carcione
> > > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:18 AM
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Cloning
> > >
> > > I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police
> department
> > > tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
> > > characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
> > > original. I thought that was interesting.
> > > I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
> > > not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness
> of
> > > the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things
> to
> > > have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 23
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:44:15 -0400
> > > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: [nagdu] Success stats
> > > Message-ID: <e41fac95e159265db497442342f4b9d2.squirrel at mail.panix.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > > In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to
> improve
> > > their success rate from birth to a successful match. The report said
> that
> > > 80% of the dogs that enter training make it through. It also said that
> > > they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
> > > have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
> > > roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
> > > I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make it
> > > through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
> > > I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that ratio
> > > significantly. I'm also curious if it's about the same at other schools.
> > > 50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is. Anyway,
> > > these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
> > > others, too. If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
> > > more.
> > > Tracy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 24
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:24:44 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Cloning
> > > Message-ID: <1308932684.2091.34.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > True! Since I plan to have several years before I have to make a
> > > decision, I can have fun with idea of doing it because I really do adore
> > > my poodle girl and want to hang on to her forever... When the time
> > > comes, and it's a *real* decision, who knows? As a lifelong sci-fi nut,
> > > it's just really exciting that we can now discuss the pros and cons
> > > seriuosly because we're not just making things up that will never be
> > > possible. /smile/
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:18 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > > > I heard a story about cloning on NPR a few weeks ago. A police
> department
> > > > tried cloning a police dog with a really super nose and other great
> > > > characteristics. The clones noses were just so-so, not the same as the
> > > > original. I thought that was interesting.
> > > > I've sometimes wished I could clone one of my dogs. But it might still
> > > > not be the same. And I'd miss getting to know the wonderful uniqueness
> of
> > > > the next dog. Vive la difference! It is in the natural order of things
> to
> > > > have to let go of the old and embrace the new.
> > > > Tracy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 25
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:30:36 -0700
> > > From: Tami Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> > > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
> > > Message-ID: <1308933036.2091.39.camel at tamara-desktop>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Tracy, I read the older stats you mentioned when I was researching the
> > > notion of owner-training, and they were awfully daunting since I was
> > > looking for one dog which meant I needed a 100 percent success rate to
> > > have a guide dog. And this was how it was working out for people who
> > > actually knew what they were doing? /lol/ There was also an equally
> > > daunting ratio of returns after the match or early retirements... I got
> > > the dog I found anyway and figured that I'd just start training her and
> > > see what happened.
> > >
> > > Anyway, thanks for sharing the updated info. I do have a vague item
> > > penciled in way down on my to do list to look into what changes there
> > > have been over time at various programs, so I'm glad someone else does
> > > that, too, and lets others know. Cool!
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 11:44 -0400, Tracy Carcione wrote:
> > > > In the latest Seeing Eye annual report, they talk about working to
> improve
> > > > their success rate from birth to a successful match. The report said
> that
> > > > 80% of the dogs that enter training make it through. It also said that
> > > > they have lowered the number of puppies they need to breed in order to
> > > > have enough for training, but, looking at the numbers, it looks like
> > > > roughly 2 to 1--509 pups born, 254 partnered with students.
> > > > I remember reading, ages ago, that only 50% of guide dog puppies make
> it
> > > > through, and these stats look about the same, to me.
> > > > I would really like to know if GDB's new methods have changed that
> ratio
> > > > significantly. I'm also curious if it's about the same at other
> schools.
> > > > 50% seems pretty poor to me, but maybe that's just how it is. Anyway,
> > > > these sorts of stats interest me, and I thought they might interest
> > > > others, too. If anyone else has different stats, I'd love to find out
> > > > more.
> > > > Tracy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 26
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:58:23 -0600
> > > From: Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Success stats
> > > Message-ID: <auto-000290016377 at fe-2.cluster1.bresnan.net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > The fifty percent is what I've heard and it seems low to me also. I hope
> it
> > > changes or has changed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 27
> > > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:56:17 -0400
> > > From: "Margo and Arrow" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > Message-ID: <00EEE5F0BE5247D9BA2FCD3E80653E45 at meandmyarrow>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=response
> > >
> > > It's from the Onion and the Onion spoofs everyone and everything.
> > >
> > > Margo and Arrow
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 11:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > WHAT WAS NOT SAID ON THIS IS BELOW.
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Below is something that if you can't laugh at far out humer then I
> would
> > > > suggest not reading it. The spoof came from a publication in Madison
> > > > Wisconsin that does this kind of thing. Not sure how appropriate it is
> for
> > >
> > > > the list, but sometimes one just needs to be a little crazy!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Julie Phillipson
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Sean Moore" <sean.moore at mediacombb.net>
> > > > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > > > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:38 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> What the ...?
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Arthur Nolden" <anolden at tampabay.rr.com>
> > > >> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > > >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 6:22 PM
> > > >> Subject: [nagdu] . O-T: Blind People are Faking it.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Blind People Are Faking It!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Citizens, hear us well. Our great nation is being undermined by a
> secret
> > >
> > > >>> society of individuals who carry deadly white truncheons and lead
> > > >>> vicious attack animals in public on a daily basis. These mysterious
> folk
> > >
> > > >>> also have a secret means of communication, while shocking new
> evidence
> > > >>> seems to indicate that they may even possess senses superior to
> those of
> > >
> > > >>> other humans. We're speaking, of course, of the legions of the
> so-called
> > >
> > > >>> blind.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Let's assume for a minute that we swallow this "blindness" hoax in
> the
> > > >>> first place. If these people are somehow bereft of the gift of
> sight,
> > > >>> how does that explain the works of Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and
> Ronnie
> > >
> > > >>> Milsap? How could such men possibly play music if they were blind?
> What
> > > >>> do they take us for-ignorant
> > > >>> saps?
> > > >>> The first issue I must point out is their very public display of
> armed
> > > >>> might. Every individual laying claim to sightlessness carries a
> cudgel
> > > >>> on their person at all times. These "canes," as they call them, are
> > > >>> supposed to help them feel their way along. They are painted white,
> > > >>> almost as if the bearer wished to remind passersby of its presence,
> and
> > > >>> the weapon's tip is painted a chillingly suggestive red. Those who
> have
> > > >>> studied the mysterious fighting arts of the Orient know that such
> sticks
> > >
> > > >>> may be wielded with deadly force by those with skill.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In a surprise attack, strategically placed squads of the "blind"
> > > >>> could quickly overwhelm our police forces. Their fearsome nature
> > > >>> encompasses more than just personal weaponry. Many of the alleged
> blind
> > > >>> also own large, vicious attack dogs for the supposed purpose of
> guidance
> > >
> > > >>> along city streets. With one word from their scheming masters, these
> > > >>> slavering "guide" dogs could become guided missiles!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Indeed, most of these fearsome beasts are German shepherds, a
> species of
> > >
> > > >>> killer wolf invented by twisted, Fascist dog breeders, which has
> somehow
> > >
> > > >>> fallen into this most suspect faction of the disabled. The most
> > > >>> frightening aspect of this diabolical conspiracy by far is their
> ability
> > >
> > > >>> to communicate with one another unbeknownst to upstanding citizens.
> > > >>> Their secret code consists of a series of raised dots cunningly
> arranged
> > >
> > > >>> into arcane shapes. Known as "Braille," this demonic alphabet has
> begun
> > > >>> popping up in places that were doubtlessly chosen for their mundane,
> > > >>> everyday outward appearance:
> > > >>> elevators, building directories, automated teller machines and the
> like.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This system seems rational enough, and does not attract undue
> attention.
> > >
> > > >>> But think! If the messages on the signs changed suddenly, how would
> we
> > > >>> know? Next year, next month, next week, maybe even tomorrow, the
> signs
> > > >>> will change from "second
> > > >>> floor" to "STRIKE NOW! STRIKE HARD!" and our nation will be thrown
> into
> > > >>> the chaos of revolution.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> At this juncture, there is no hard evidence that the blind are
> planning
> > > >>> such a revolution. We hope to have such evidence very soon. But can
> one
> > >
> > > >>> group possess such an overwhelming element of surprise and fail to
> use
> > > >>> it to seize power? And can their goals be anything but evil?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No, I say! I maintain that true blindness lies in failing to see the
> > > >>> threat where it must obviously lie, and we must be vigilantly wary
> of
> > > >>> the blind menace.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Alan P., Nevada.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> _______________________________________________
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> > > >>
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