[nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
Julie McGinnity
kaybaycar at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 21:58:31 UTC 2011
Hi guys.
Well, I leave my inbox for about 4 hours to go out to lunch and look
what happens! Explosion!
I'm starting to become very amused over here. I am actually on the
fence about this one. On one hand, yes, nagdu does make this rule for
a good reason, and everything would run smoothly if we did not hear
barking and howling from guide dogs in hotel rooms. I understand.
But... I think that a dog is like a child in the respect that it can
make noise like one. Some children can be left alone in a hotel room
for an hour, and they will be chill and watch tv or whatever, but some
children will make noise and bounce off the walls. People have to be
responsible and *know* that their dog will behave properly if they are
going to let it alone in the room. As every guide dog handler knows,
there are some things you can trust your dog to do, and there are some
things that are just too much for the dog.
Just for fun... What about all the other noise that comes out of a
convention? What about canes hitting the walls at midnight? What
about rooms by offiliat action suites? Where people are partying and
carrying on. And with all the people, you can't tell me that people
don't get complaints about other things like children and loud groups
of people and who knows what else.
I think this is a good discussion, and I really need to pick a side
here! It's unnerving to see both sides of an arguement. Lol
On 6/30/11, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Lyn, I had tried to explain this when the stuff hit the fan, but it went in
> the wrong direction. slapping my own hand for trying to stop it.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lyn Gwizdak<mailto:linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> Here we go again on this topic that crops up every year before convention!
> (sigh! rolling of eyes)
>
> Sarah, NAGDU or anyone else isn't telling you what to do. Maybe Marion
> needs to spell it out each year - about how the NFB gets greats rates in
> hotels that host the annual convention. About how there are problems each
> year with folks who leave dogs in rooms and those dogs create problems
> with
> other hotel guests who don't want to hear howling dogs far into the night.
> About accidents dogs may have because people aren't as attentive as they
> should be to their dog's needs - and they leave the mess for others to
> step
> in and smear throughout the hotel. These problems can cause problems in
> NFB
> getting the great rates or even the hotels it gets for conventions.
>
> Guys, these rules are there to make it pleasant for all and I wish people
> would see it that way. But no, every year, we have people on the list who
> whine about their rights being tranpled or it paternalistic or something.
> this reminds me of kids who aren't getting their own way.
>
> THE RULES MAKE IT PLEASANT FOR ALL and nothing more.
>
> If there's a huge problem of wanting to enjoy convention without the
> hassles
> of having your dog with you all the time, you might like to look into the
> possibility of leaving your dog at home with a friend and bring your white
> cane. Some folks do this and that's fine.
>
> Now, everyone going have a great time! Sorry for this rant - I get as
> tired
> of seeing the complaining after Marion remeinds us of the NAGDU rule
> abouot
> dogs in the rooms alone. I completely agree with these rules and I abided
> them with no problem when I went to the convention.
>
> Lyn and Landon (waiting for the s**t to come my way)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah Clark"
> <goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net<mailto:goldflash9 at sbcglobal.net>>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
>
>
> > To consider it I would have to see that it is in fact a policy of this
> > particular hotel, and not of Nagdu. Nagdu doesn't have authority over
> what
> > I
> > do or don't do in my hotel room.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>
> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of cheryl echevarria
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:27 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > fyi, in any situation whether blind or sighted, hotels that allow dogs
> do
> > not allow them unattended, it is a fair statement that NAGDU follows
> this
> > policy.
> >
> > And if you are not going to convention then you have nothing to worry
> > about.
> >
> >
> > Leading the Way in Independent Travel!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> >
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> > 631-456-5394
> >
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> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel
> > CST-1018299-10
> >
> > Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel,
> > Inc.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Albert J
> Rizzi<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org<mailto:albert at myblindspot.org>>
> > To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> > Users'<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> >
> > I would have to agree here. It also harkens one to think that the very
> > organization which professes our need to be independent and self
> > determining, that perhaps those of us with a guide have no apparent
> > control
> > over our dogs. I for one leave my dog home from time to time and use my
> > cane. I never come home to anything other then a possible chewed up
> piece
> > of
> > random paper which I lef out. I also have traveled extensively and have
> > left
> > my guide in the hotel room, only to find what you would ask? a sleeping
> > dog,
> > who behaved perfectly while I was out. ridiculous.
> >
> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org%3Cmailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
> > [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:15 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB Convention Guide Dog Policy
> >
> > I object to this policy. I object to the notion that I need special
> > rules
> > and supervision because I choose to use a guide dog. It makes me feel
> > unwelcome at convention. Of course, I'd be perfectly welcome, if I
> > acknowledge that I need others to tell me how to handle my dog, or,
> > better
> > yet, leave the smelly troublmaking beast at home.
> > So I will be spending my time, money, and energy in places where I will
> > actually be treated like an intelligent, responsible adult. Too bad
> > that's not the NFB convention.
> > Funny thing is, I bet Marion would object too, if it wasn't NFB
> > leadership decreeing it.
> > Tracy
> >
> > > Dear All,
> > > In advance of the national convention, I want to remind everyone
> of
> > > the NFB policy concerning guide dogs during convention. It is the
> > > policy of the National Federation of the Blind, endorsed by the
> > > national Association of Guide Dog Users, that guide dog shall not be
> > > left unattended in guest rooms at any time. Violation of this policy
> > > may result in the member's restriction from attending the next two
> (2)
> > > conventions of the National Federation of the Blind. We appreciate
> > > your cooperation and adherence to this policy.
> > > As the person responsible for responding to concerns about guide
> > dogs
> > > during our conventions, I want to share that I have had the necessity
> > > to respond to at least two complaints during each convention for the
> > > past four years. In every case, I was told by the guide dog user that
> > > their dog does not bark when left alone, in spite of the evidence to
> > > the contrary. It is not my desire to prohibit our members from
> > > attending convention; however, it is also not my desire to allow a
> > > guide dog user to disrupt others at convention by another's
> > > irresponsible behavior. I encourage guide dog users to comply with
> > > this policy in an effort to maintain order and peace during
> > > convention.
> > >
> > > Fraternally yours,
> > > Marion Gwizdala, President
> > > National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU)
> > > National Federation of the Blind
> > > 813-626-2789
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Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
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