[nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry

Lisa Irving lirving1234 at cox.net
Sat Mar 5 06:38:47 UTC 2011 

Let's take a quick survey. How often have you encountered access denial by 
an English speaking person. Think about the demographics in your region that 
appear to comprise the majority when it comes to guide dog access denial.

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Burley, III" <william.burley3 at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry


> Hey Tami!
>
> I have to say that I'm going to start tellling people this when they upset
> me..."I really hope I'm having eye contact with you..." and then go on.
> When I read what you typed I had to laugh.
>
> I think the one that got to me the most was the convenience store.  The 
> guy
> wouldn't let me talk at all and what really took the cake is when I told 
> him
> she was a guide dog, he turned around and yelled that he didn't care what
> she was.
>
>
>
> Will Burley
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> William.burley3 at gmail.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:42 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of 
> Entry
>
> Oh, my.  Ain't that fun?  I figured I could start calling myself an
> experienced guide dog handler when I stopped being surprised by these
> things, or even noticing once I dealt with it.  The first few times, of
> course, I could not imagine what would inspire a theoretically civilized
> human to behave in such a manner!  Was I supposed to take this seriously?
> /lol/
>
> So I probably did about the same thing I do now, which is to stare blankly
> at the one who is behaving so bizarrely with the same blank stare you
> described from Gypsy.  Once whoever it is has gotten it all out of their
> system, then we can talk about our issues and laws and stuff.
>
> If need be, I pull out my 'tude, which is a lot like my blank stare only
> with a bit more dominant body language.  Subtle stuff, really, but it does
> seem to help clear things up on subject of just how intimidated I am. 
> Which
> is generally not at all.  I go straight to irritated, even angry, and I 
> let
> some of that play in my expression and the quality of my (I hope) eye
> contact.  Once they've settled down with the extravagant body language and
> curses and huff and puff, then we can talk.  /lol/
>
> So far I haven't had anybody bring in the cops, but the way you handled 
> that
> one sounds like what some of the more experienced handlers do.  Just wait 
> it
> out and let the other person call the cops on you, then go from there.  I
> guess it can be iffy doing that if the cops are not informed about the 
> law,
> so I'm not eager for an opportunity to try that tactic.  /smile/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of William Burley, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:30 PM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: [nagdu] Where Do You Find Issues with Attempted Denial of Entry
>
> Good afternoon all!
>
>
>
> A question I would like to pose is where do you find that there is an
> attempt to deny access to a person with a service animal generally?
>
>
>
> As for me, I've worked with Gypsy for about a year and we've only had an
> issue three times.  One was the week we got home and my mobility 
> instructor
> took me out to eat as celebration for making it through training.  We went
> to a Vietnamese restaurant.  the hostess sat us down and all of a sudden 
> the
> manager rushed the table and began yelling, "No pets!  No pets!  You 
> cannot
> bring in your pet!"  Surprisingly I was very calm...considering this was 
> one
> of our first forays into the public after leaving the school.  I told him
> that she was a service animal and that she was allowed.  He kept yelling 
> and
> my mobility guy went the heck livid.  The manager then left us alone.
>
>
>
> I then, some months later, went to a convenience store near my apartment.
> I've been in there many times but this particular time, Gypsy and I walked
> in and the clerk began yelling and cussing.  Of course, I won't and can't
> repeat what he said here.  He went on and on like that.  I offered to call
> the police for him after repeated attempts to tell him she was a guide dog
> and to show her ID card and bring attention to the harness wrapped around
> her.  Gypsy just sat and stared at the man.  Needless to say, he called 
> the
> police himself while berating me until they got there.  I showed the 
> police
> the ID card and they saw Seeing Eye on the harness.  They proceeded to 
> write
> the man a ticket.  I then organized about five folks with guide dogs to 
> make
> a visit to the store.  He said nothing.
>
>
>
> most recently was this week.  A co-worker and I went to a Chinese 
> restaurant
> for lunch and the cashier ran to the door saying, "Get out!"
>
>
>
> We've honestly had very few experiences considering our time home and the
> amount we do go out.  It seems though that when we get those few folks who
> are simply uninformed....they're really uninformed!  LOL!
>
>
>
> Have you experienced this problem and what have you done about it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Will Burley
>
> 713..614.3322
>
> William.burley3 at gmail.com
>
>
>
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>
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